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What a Big RELIEF for our " FRIENDS " in Pakistan
Some statements HAD to be made DIPLOMATICALLY given the Heartburn they were causing to UK Government and RAF and Eurofighter Consortium. But Facts are Facts
Oh people like you will never change!!! You debated with me and wrote me a lengthy article on the first thread on this topic. Couldn't give me ONE valid reason as to WHERE were the facts and why IAF made up the story???? I ever provided you with the actual count. But it didn't help.
Here you are again. What are the facts you are referring to and where are those? If the facts are fake Indian pride in people's head.....well that's not a fact. This is where a real conversation goes south so bad that one loses it!!!! How about we remain factual?
@MilSpec : when you get personal with me on posts, these are the reasons majority of the times I'd get India-negative. Read the above post. These are silly statements without a base that annoy everyone (specially someone actually knows a thing about an event in discussion). I just wanted you to see it. It would be VERY nice if everyone just remained factual and life moves on without getting into a verbal battle to prove a wrong to right!
Lol. Now this statement has given for making smile on UK face. Every body knows the result
I POSTED the results a few days ago. And not every body knows these results. The Indian results were wrong and unprofessionally made up. Just because 1 Million people thing men should give birth, doesn't mean they will!!!
Ask a few of your buddies on the first thread on the topic. And TRUST me, the results were FAR from 12-0!!!! The funny thing is, there are plenty of people from India (or there should be atleast) on here, who know in Dog Fight, even having a great place such as the SU-30, there are some draw backs.
For example, it won multiple battles initially with the EFT due to its instantaneous thrust and TVC. But the second they learned the aerodynamics and its speed and maneuvering; they took it down in remainder of the dog fights, ending in 2-2. Kill shot technique works very well against the SU-30 or for majority of the 4-4.5 Gen planes. These planes with awesome TVC, are sitting ducks for the few second they go into recovery post stall or inverted loop or Cobra.
Total score was SU-30 5, EFT 5, 2 contested. If you give one contested to SU-30, the score goes to 6 in favor of the SU, 5 EFT and 1 contested. And this was using a basic combat simulator pod. No radars, EMJ or other combat systems running to keep confidentiality. So really, this means absolutely nothing. It was a blind shooting another blind!!
If you guys want to jump up and down and make stuff up, it actually makes you look bad!!
But there are sources which say that in ID 2015 MKIs performed well in WVR scenario and its not surprisng as Su-30MKI's aerodynamic configuration is a longitudinal triplane with relaxed stability. The canards (aeronautics) on plane increase the aircraft lift (force) ability and deflects automatically to allow highangle of attack (AoA) flights allowing it to perform Pugachev's Cobra. In addition, the integral aerodynamic configuration combined withthrust vectoring results in extremely capable manoeuvrability, taking off and landing characteristics. .
Are you a pilot in the IAF? If not, bring one and ask him, how long does it take for an SU-30 after pulling a Cobra, Inverted loop or split through TVC to go back to 80% of its standard throttle? Any plane that fired a WVR missile at you, and then allowed you to dodge it through TVC use, had you on Guns for about 8-10 seconds easy at slow speeds. Meaning bleeding energy an recovering, can't manuver fast and escape the guns. The EFT did just that after losing the first two WVR battles and then they had the SU's for the remainder of the 2 battles in WVR.
How about really ask professionals or explain to others if you have the experience, vs. making stuff up and then wasting pages to support a made up story??? I don't understand the need to make things up when both, the SU-30 and the EFT had wins and pretty equal (Without using either one's electronic package, which is what matters the most. So these results are meaningless).
You guys are making the IAF look bad and unprofessional. Every single air-force professional or reader knowing this, would wonder why the need to make stuff up???