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I don't like the Odds of Plebiscite in Kashmir being in Pak favour. (Opinion).

is there any campaign before plebiscite allowed?
anyway, if some resistance is challenging colossal # of indian troops in kashmir, its either too smart/dangerous or their number is huge..(not simple majority)
as per independence rule 1947.. no independent state but affiliation either of the country..(not sure how u reached plebiscite)
 
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Totally an idiotic article.....no references of any sort...where did you get those figures? or those got slipped out when you were sleeping? Anybody can write and post on pdf






Go and google it, google and find out that the Muslims are in minority in Jammu and Ladakh regions, while the scenario in Kashmir Valley is divided b/w Pro Indepedence and Pro Pakistan , it doesn't take a Einstein to speculate certain things.


2ndly, in the thread title I clearly mentioned that 'I don't like the Odds of Plebiscite in Kashmir being in Pak favour (Opinion)'.
 
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Just trying to be realistic here, talking to some IOKmiris on facebook and different forums and doing little bit of research looking at Polls and talking to people who have the insight knowledge about the situation and geography . (Although I know thats not enough but certainly IOKmiris know better about the situation than people of PDF).



I honestly don't think the Odds favour Pakistan much, I know a lot of people are under a different impression here in PDF and in Pakistan, that a lot of people think that Kashmiris want Kashmir to merge with Pakistan (Which is a totally false assumption IMO and a lot of polls suggest otherwise), In case of a plebiscite the battle would strictly be between Joining with India vs. Making Kashmir Independent ,most of those waiving Pakistani flags would most likely vote for Independent Kashmir too, Merely 10% would (probably) vote in favour of Joining Pakistan and we'd be left redfaced in front of the World .



How can we be so sure that a plebicite in Kashmir would favour Pakistan?? In Jammu about 66% of the population is Hindu majority, so its obvious the vote of the about 30% Muslims in that area would go waste, about 65% of Jammu's Muslims are Shias who don't seem to like Pakistan either. The Ladakh region is also Buddhish, Hindu majority thus it'd cede to India too.



In the Kashmir region (the Valley) there is Muslim majority about 65-70% are Sunni Muslims, 15% Hindu & Sikhs, rest Shias , the Shias + Hindu & Sikhs would vote for India, while in the remaining 65% of Sunni Muslims , around 5% are Pro India, remaining is divided in opinion of Pro Pakistan & Pro Independence, and opinion has vastly shifted from being Pro Pakistan to Pro Independence in recent years, right now the chances are that if a plebicite happens the Valley would choose Independence, while Jammu and Ladakh regions would choose India, some Population is the region is undecided and just wanna get on with their lives, so that'd be Swing votes .


So what odds are we counting upon?? There is a close possibility that people in Azad Kashmir could choose Independent Azad Kashmir instead of choosing to be a part of Pakistan..


Idk why I think we have more to lose than gain in this whole scenario and we're being very silly and delusional about it and living in some Disney land with no clue whatsoever of the ground situation, the most we'd get from all this is a Independent Kashmir Valley, idk how it'd work/survive on its own and how it'd would benefit us?





So, thoughts ?? Im just being skeptical not judgmental , I have serious doubts over our Odds in case of Plebicite in Kashmir and most people seem to be Unaware of this ..
The point is not bringing them into Pakistani territory. We want them to be free and sovereign. Get the Indian army off their faces. Lets suppose India holds a fair plebiscite on their side of Kashmir, chances are they'll vote for an independent state. Similarly they ask us to hold a plebiscite on our side of Kashmir, who do you think azad kashmiris will vote for? I think Pakistan.
 
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is there any campaign before plebiscite allowed?
anyway, if some resistance is challenging colossal # of indian troops in kashmir, its either too smart/dangerous or their number is huge..(not simple majority)
as per independence rule 1947.. no independent state but affiliation either of the country..(not sure how u reached plebiscite)
Agreed sir....but first question is what is his reference? Nothing is backing him.
 
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Totally agreed...No references...a totally crap...If it is his thinking...he can is allowed to as deluded as he wants....but to publish it as a some sort study and fact is criminal.

He does this all the time. He thinks something and then creates a thread about it. We all think a lot but don't create threads over it.
 
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IMO, Pak odds are not favorable, not as much as we think/assume .

Now if you have created a thread then I would reply to it.

Anyways even if odds are not in favor of Pakistan even then we would push for the plebiscite of Kashmir. We are in no delusions like Indians. Pakistan or not, our demand for plebiscite still would remain unchanged.

Go away and stop commenting then, trolls like you are not welcome here.

Stop whining. Grow up.
 
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Whenever that point will arrive in future, the following points will definitely effect the outcome.
1. Kashmir region is a land-locked territory with 8 land corridors connecting it with other areas. 7 out of 8 routes connect it to Pakistan.
2. All rivers originating from Kashmir have their natural flow to Pakistan.
3. There is a very large ethnic Kashmiri population in mainland Pakistan. Ethnic Kashmiris is one of the largest caste of Cities like Lahore, Gujranwala and Sialkot.
4. Historically all Kashmiri trade is with territories now part of Pakistan.
5. The plebiscite will not be only in IoK but AJK, Gilgit-Baltistan will also be included, so the population has a whole will decide its faith.
6. Mega projects like Diamir-Bhasha dam and CPEC, KKH will also influence the decision.
7. A large number of Kashmiris from AJK (Mirpur, Muzzafarabad) are ex-pat Pakistanis, living and settled in Europe are a factor of plebiscite also.
 
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He does this all the time. He thinks something and then creates a thread about it. We all think a lot but don't create threads over it.
There should be some policy on PDF regarding the quality of the post while replies are regulated ....I mean he just deserves a lot 4-lettered words in response to such a bullshit.
 
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There should be some policy on PDF regarding the quality of the post while replies are regulated ....I mean he just deserves a lot 4-lettered words in response to such a bullshit.

Agreed.
 
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Whenever that point will arrive in future, the following points will definitely effect the outcome.
1. Kashmir region is a land-locked territory with 8 land corridors connecting it with other areas. 7 out of 8 routes connect it to Pakistan.
2. All rivers originating from Kashmir have their natural flow to Pakistan.
3. There is a very large ethnic Kashmiri population in mainland Pakistan. Ethnic Kashmiris is one of the largest caste of Cities like Lahore, Gujranwala and Sialkot.
4. Historically all Kashmiri trade is with territories now part of Pakistan.
5. The plebiscite will not be only in IoK but AJK, Gilgit-Baltistan will also be included, so the population has a whole will decide its faith.
6. Mega projects like Diamir-Bhasha dam and CPEC, KKH will also influence the decision.
7. A large number of Kashmiris from AJK (Mirpur, Muzzafarabad) are ex-pat Pakistanis, living and settled in Europe are a factor of plebiscite also.


This. Even an independent Kashmir would work for Pakistan in longer run. That's why Pakistan is so ardent over plebiscite despite of any odds. :)
 
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Let the Kashmiris decide what they want- Azad Kashmir or Indian Occupied Kashmir- both-
 
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Totally agreed...No references...totally crap...If it is his thinking...he can is allowed to as deluded as he wants....but to publish it as some sort of study and fact is downright criminal.





There you go.

Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Division % Area % Population Population % Muslim % Hindu % Sikh % Buddhist and other
Kashmir 15.73% 53.9% 5,476,970 97.16% 1.84% 0.88% 0.11%
Jammu 25.93% 43.7% 4,430,191 30.69% 65.23% 3.57% 0.51%
Ladakh 58.33% 2.3% 236,539 47.40% 6.22% – 45.87%
Jammu and Kashmir 100% 100% 10,143,700 66.97% 29.63% 2.03% 1.36%









And this doesn't mention the # of Shia population among Muslims , whom vote also wouldn't favour Pak.
 
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After that you can declare Jihad on kashmir and teach Ummah and true religion to Kashmiris just like you did with Afghanistan! :sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic:
much better than you annexing it later like Goa or Hyderabad- :bunny:
 
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