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I do not think my female friends should come back to Pakistan

Why? Let the Pakistanis worry about their country, and let others worry about their own.
What I tried, perhaps I failed, to say is that for Pakistanis who have been overseas and lived among Westerners for a while, not merely as tourists but for school and jobs, and became critical of Pakistan's social issues, defenders of Pakistan should try to convince these people that Pakistan's social flaws are not as bad as, or even better than, the flaws in the West.

For example...

Pakistan's literacy rate is lower than America's. So the tactical objective is to argue that as long as there is even just one illiterate person in the US, both countries' literacy problem is the same. The US have mandatory education for up to age 18, but since there are still illiterate persons in the US, Pakistan and America are no different than each other.

Some people will buy this argument. As far as Americans go, we are perfectly fine with this line of reasoning.
 
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ھماری عوام بونگی اور میڈیا.چول ھے
ا نڈیا والے ھر جگ میرا بھارت مھان کا منجن بیچتے ھیں ھلں کے روز ھزاروں وھاں بھوک سے مرتے ھیں
Damn u use better font :P
 
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I think his main rant is about the lack of individual freedom in Pakistan, and here he's true. Fortunately or unfortunately, Pakistanis are born to serve their parents and that's that.

Things like sexual harassment exist in every country. As for the unemployment, there aren't many jobs for the male population either, as Pakistan is an extremely small Job market. So naturally many females would be unemployed as well.
we as muslims are supposed to serve our parents . it's in Quran at many places.
 
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...Would we not be more at ease knowing that our female relatives are protected by law against sexual harassment and rape, as opposed to laws that indirectly condone them?....
Law itself rapiest do u ask rapiest to jail himself

Good idea is to stay away pak is not made for us this is for lavish living vip we dont have any stack in pak
 
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Crap article.

I do not deny the fact that women experience some issues in Pakistan but many live comfortably in the same country. Socio-economic status also makes difference in the lives of people irrespective of their gender.

I think his main rant is about the lack of individual freedom in Pakistan, and here he's true. Fortunately or unfortunately, Pakistanis are born to serve their parents and that's that.
What is wrong with looking after the parents? They spent their entire lives looking after you and your needs.

Things like sexual harassment exist in every country. As for the unemployment, there aren't many jobs for the male population either, as Pakistan is an extremely small Job market. So naturally many females would be unemployed as well.
Agreed
 
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What is wrong with looking after the parents? They spent their entire lives looking after you and your needs.

Nothing wrong, but it does come at the cost of giving up your own freedom; they own you in the process, they have a say in the choices you make. For example, marrying someone of your parents choice without having any say in it. This happens with both males and females. It even goes as far as for the profession choices: you may want to be an artist but your parents want you to be an engg./doctor etc.
 
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KPK ke log Pakistani nahin ?
Unfortunately for some people. Apparently Pashtuns are to be blamed for all the troubles in this country-according to some people. Why these hardworking Pashtuns comes and destroy the city of educated people. These people really need to grow up. Apparently his community is perfect, we divide ourselves in groups rather than becoming a nation-no wonder we are in such a state. Now i agree KPK or FATA might be backward and all, being a Pakistani i will look to hide these flaws rather then pointing them out and feeling proud about it. Pathetic and disgusting.

On topic: get a house in Bahria Town or DHA. Bahria Town Rawalpindi is quite good. Highlighted problem is legitimate and understandable, why are people going nuts for? I agree there is a different side of the story too, take this for example:

The thing is we as a society are very radicalized, these things will come forward.

@Solomon2 ,@gambit and others...this has become a culture here, just like corruption, society need time to evolve. Education can easily solve many problems, though pointing out the problems is the first step. Need to take some real action too.
 
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Nothing wrong, but it does come at the cost of giving up your own freedom; they own you in the process, they have a say in the choices you make. For example, marrying someone of your parents choice without having any say in it. This happens with both males and females. It even goes as far as for the profession choices: you may want to be an artist but your parents want you to be an engg./doctor etc.
Bro, parents will always have a say in the matters of their offspring, irrespective of the society they inhabit. Difference is that some will have greater influence over their offspring then others.

Yes, the culture of (forced) marriage is absolutely wrong. Islam gives an individual the right to choose his partner for marriage, and enlightened parents will never force their offspring to marry an individual of their choice. However, there is more to this story then meets the eye; some individuals place [complete] trust in the choice of their parents vis-a-vis marriage; and some individuals seek advice from their parents vis-a-vis marriage even when they have the freedom to choose their partner.

The above is true for the profession as well.
 
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They have no choice.

By 'no choice', I am not saying someone put a gun to his head and force him to assess Pakistan thru that Western lens, but that it is human nature to make comparisons. No one can resist that part of himself/herself. You have a legitimate criticism if the man or woman have not traveled to the West but the problem for your criticism is that these people, not only have traveled to the West, but actually lived for a time in the West. They lived long enough to have Westerners for friends or even (gasp) lovers.

Bottom line is that they cannot resist making comparisons any more than they can resist thirst or hunger.

And nobody is disputing his right to make a comparison. What I have a problem with is wrong, false analogy that OP is making.

OP isn't a very qualified person hence he can not dissect the structural issues lying behind a particular problem. He makes the most simplistic case of comparing women rights in West and Pakistan as if these things are somehow same.

The problem of Pakistan is institutional and not cultural as OP believes (thanks to his inability to deconstruct false Western notions regarding the Muslim World in general, and Pakistan in particular in this case).

The reason women have it better in the U.S is not because of more sober cultural behavior of Americans--but rather strict institutional protections which level the playing field (to most extent) between women and men, and provide protective environment which isn't found in Pakistan.

For example, If a girl gets harassed in the street of Los Angeles (and you know that harassing is part and parcel of life in America)--the same girl, wearing short shorts, can approach a police patrol with complete trust that she'll be given protection and the police department would do its job in terms of finding/apprehending the culprits. Then, she can be sure as hell that justice department would do his job and appropriate punishments would be given to the culprits---even if they are extremely rich and powerful.(With all its flaws, American system still delivers most of the time!).

Now, compare the same situation happening to a middle-class Pakistani girl. First thing, she wouldn't even go to police b/c in Pakistan--police itself is a threat! They are untrained, extremely poor, bribe-driven workers with guns and no oversee. Moreover, political big shots from feudal families control the "bharti process" (recruitment) whereby they give police jobs to local villagers an all to get their support. In Pakistan, rich guys can harass a girl and be sure that they'll get away with it. And lets not even talk about the justice department in Pakistan.

This is just one small example---I can give you comparisons after comparisons which shows that real problem isn't the cultural in Pakistan---its institutional and that's where America leads countries like Pakistan.

Even if we had same cultural approach to women and their rights in Pakistan and America---American women will still have it better than poor Pakistani women---given the current nature of institutional development in both countries remain unchanged.

@Akheilos That's one of the other reason why I wanted women protections bill of Punjab assembly to be a bit more well thoughtout and more geared towards local Pakistani conditions. Just passing bills won't do much without institutional and structural changes required to make Pakistan a better, safe place for our girls.
 
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Now i agree KPK or FATA might be backward and all, being a Pakistani i will look to hide these flaws rather then pointing them out and feeling proud about it. Pathetic and disgusting.

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they are , but people come after SWAT Operations they have infested Karachi .. the fight between Urdu speaking people and Pathans started by those Afghan's mixed with Pashtoons .. women gets beaten in Pathans majority areas, the schools were overrun and streets become garbage spots ..
sexual harassment is much higher in those areas . compared to places i mentioned .
People of FATA and KPK are 'economically' backward, little bit crude in their speech but thats it. The sexual harassment of women exists in all communities of Pakistan, but rare in rural areas of Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and Northern areas. In their codes of conduct, both Balochs and Pashtuns talk about 'nang o namos' of women folk, and the emphasis on giving respect to women and protecting their honour. Staring at passing women let alone hooting at them or stalking them is unimaginable in our areas, there are severe repercussions for it if some fool dares to do that. A Pashtun woman from Safi tribe was harassed by a chichora Mughal soldier in 1672 and in response a large number of tribes rose in rebellion and harassed the Mughals for a decade, thats our history. Things have surely changed with time, but not to the extent that some boy will tease a Pashtun girl in Pashtun society and will get away with it, at least not in rural areas. Are those rural Pashtuns behaving differently in Karachi? I dont know, i have never been to Karachi.......if they are behaving like those Patloon-wearing chichoras on the streets i.e hooting at girls and passing comments about them, then @Rockstar , have some ghairat and courage and stop them if they are teasing your women .
 
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Things have surely changed with time, but not to the extent that some boy will tease a Pashtun girl in Pashtun society and will get away with it, at least not in rural areas. Are those rural Pashtuns behaving differently in Karachi? I dont know, i have never been to Karachi.......if they are behaving like those Patloon-wearing chichoras on the streets i.e hooting at girls and passing comments about them, then @Rockstar , have some ghairat and courage and stop them if they are teasing your women .
In our community women is respected a lot, treated equally. Men do not dare tease women as they know the outcome. The problem lies with all the communities, rather it is a problem in Urban areas, especially a city like Karachi. Here a young girl wouldn't dare travel alone, or say go alone in a public area. Can't blame the Pathans for that, locals are at it more than anyone, i can make a mention of problems by Mother has faced in Karachi; young boys who have nothing to do all day are at it more than anyone. Problem lies in Urban areas, severity has it's height in some tribal areas. Then again some people look to make their community look better than others.
 
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Bro, parents will always have a say in the matters of their siblings, irrespective of the society they inhabit. Difference is that some will have greater influence over their siblings then others.

Yes, the culture of (forced) marriage is absolutely wrong. Islam gives an individual the right to choose his partner for marriage, and enlightened parents will never force their sibling to marry an individual of their choice. However, there is more to this story then meets the eye; some individuals place [complete] trust in the choice of their parents vis-a-vis marriage; and some individuals seek advice from their parents vis-a-vis marriage even when they have the freedom to choose their partner.

The above is true for the profession as well.

I think what you mean is children or 'offspring', because siblings means your brothers and sisters.
 
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Assuming what you are saying is true. In that case. This happens in Lahore. This type of touching, following and harassing cr@p doesn't happen here in Karachi.

Judging by your post looks like Lahore has been taken over by perverts and molesters. Young boys and girls can study, work and do whatever they like in most of Karachi. May be some other guy from Lahore can confirm or deny your post. Don't include Karachi in such kind of bullsh!t.

A karachiite here.......i second your thoughts/comment..........I also never have seen this attitude in Khi.

One should not judged entire nation because of few. I m really tired of these kind of articles.

I have literally stared at a man starring at me until he had to drop his gaze as I wasnt backing out and when someone asked I just said he was starring so I wanted to show him how it feels...surprisingly that made him realize he has to go home :D

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