I mean to engage F-16 52 .. M2k5 are the ideal candidates . Greece are doing it for Turkish F16s even when they have their own F16s.both M2K-Vs and Jags are for strike (DEAD-SEAD) roles not point defnce
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I mean to engage F-16 52 .. M2k5 are the ideal candidates . Greece are doing it for Turkish F16s even when they have their own F16s.both M2K-Vs and Jags are for strike (DEAD-SEAD) roles not point defnce
Bhai what's the performance of EL-2032 radar w.r.t. APG-68 Synthetic Aperture Radar of the F-16 Blk-52??
in times of WAR pre concived roles dont realli matter what matters is capability LCA was always a point defnce fighter
but with current cpabilities it can be a very good point defnce and limited offence roles whats wrong in having extra backup or say plan B
lets not debate on fancies and futiure plans
lets remain on facts ... OK
the APG68V9 on PAFs F-16 Block52s are sevearlli bugged and americans have many ristrictions on them as they dont want that technology to get into chinese hands (on internet you can find many articles suggesting before every sortie new source codes are loaded in PAF F-16 by american experts present on air bases where PAFs block 52s are kept.... some say now pakistani experts are also given permission for the same)The maximum detection range of APG 68V9 for 5 square meter targets in look up mode is widely believed to be around 90-100 km,the estimated values of the 2032 is not much different,but I've heard that the 2032 has better resolution for GMTI mode,which of course I can not confirm atm. So,in terms of radar capabilities,against air threats at least,both systems are quite evenly matched,as per stated information.
But I heard that 2032 is temporary measure,lets see what future has reserved for us.
so that is the best you can say after all the links and facts i showed youNegated yourself again
An advice as an elder (joined much earlier) - use less emotes.
so that is the best you can say after all the links and facts i showed you
what is that jealousy , despartaion or mixture of both
look wiseguy the thread is about LCA and its new BVR the I Derby ER lets keep it that way ... OK
from where did anger cameSensing anger now so best to extradite - thread going in circles anyway
Why is than ferry range of LCA without IFR is 1700 km with 500Km with radius of ActionNever denied the stats
It will come under the 4th gen fighters and will give a tough competition to vipers when backed by awacs
But it cant go for an offensive due to its range...
Tejas will be best bird in the light category for point defence and interception
Can you please elaborate BOLD part? why do you put Tejas and JF17 in third gen?Not really Teja will remain a 3rd generation aircraft with fourth generation avionics and armament - similar to JF-17
It would be MKI vs F-16 Block-52 in 4th gen.
Primary difference would be due to training and tactics.
Guru, frankly man, less emote pleasefrom where did anger came
or since you have no answer to the links i gave about LCA & I Derby ER you are trying to scuttle the facts
No love for the Astra??
Zhuk Me of Mig-29upg is a Phased Array Radar ( has better detection range against 5m2 target 120 Km against Pulse Doppler of F-16Links or details please. According to my info the radar has a large doppler notch and poor sub clutter visibility which limits engagements in the look down shoot down configuration.
If tejas is backed by awacs then cant it fire a bvr aam at a bird located say 100km away?Both LCA (E 2032) or JF17 (klj V2 rumoured) LD/SD range is at max around 55 km for a 3.2 m2 rcs. so a double of this in a EW inferior suite laden aircraft or no external pod based jammer based bird detection is 110 kms approx (double of LD/SD). On top fitting it with a BVR missile and both sides claiming awesome 100km+ range is laughable. Especially because BVR missiles itself at low altitude and minimum range of engagements seems to be always in and around 20s of kms.
Only prudent boarders who understand the true aspect of BVR combat will know that Air forces which has a much higher powered radar capable of operating and having LD/SD range of closer to 100kms enabling it to detect a bird with normal detection range of 180-200 km without any jamming and perhaps using some other medium externally like using Awacs/Mini awacs to locate the target say at longer range of BVR (around 90-100km or more) can actually use the true aspect of BVR LR AAMs
For the present capabilities of both JF 17s and LCA tejas, a BVR Missile (by definition of combat range >37km) upto a range of 60-80km is more than sufficient. Anything more is a pure wastage. Simply bcz these engagements wont take a such altitudes that true range potential of BVR missile will be ever used. Secondly since birds of today uses Jammers/EW suites etc in tandem combination, these birds dont have enough powerful radars and tech to detect on their own such birds at very long distance say around 110 kms unless the data is supplied by awacs or mini awacs ( a role which is fulfilled easily bu MKI but PAF has no such thing n their arsenal)
For LCA existing MICA and Derby is more than enough. Astra Mk1 and Mk2 is also more than capability fitment.
Derby ER is best suited at present for MKIs and other birds.
The day LCA has a radar with LD/SD of around 90km-100km Derby ER suits it awesomely then. Same for JF 17s.
The only plus point for JF17s BVR combat via Awacs is since Su30 MKI has a bigger RCS, they can safely engage at around 100kms based on the feed of Awacs and based on doubling of LD/SD logic and assuming MKI carries nothing to jam radar detection trials via a sophisticated externally mounted pods. Due to already bigger RCS, it cannot escape all AWACs thus, it does provide a chance via JF17-Awacs combo BVR mode.
FOr LCA, Derby ER is definitely an overkill.. Unless Israel gives us better radars then 2032 or India develops its own.
Let me tell you Fact that the Most Longest BVR Kill ever Made is not Beyond 60 Km.So Lets not Talk about 100 Km Exaggerated Range of BVRs this all Marketing GimmicksBoth LCA (E 2032) or JF17 (klj V2 rumoured) LD/SD range is at max around 55 km for a 3.2 m2 rcs. so a double of this in a EW inferior suite laden aircraft or no external pod based jammer based bird detection is 110 kms approx (double of LD/SD). On top fitting it with a BVR missile and both sides claiming awesome 100km+ range is laughable. Especially because BVR missiles itself at low altitude and minimum range of engagements seems to be always in and around 20s of kms.
Only prudent boarders who understand the true aspect of BVR combat will know that Air forces which has a much higher powered radar capable of operating and having LD/SD range of closer to 100kms enabling it to detect a bird with normal detection range of 180-200 km without any jamming and perhaps using some other medium externally like using Awacs/Mini awacs to locate the target say at longer range of BVR (around 90-100km or more) can actually use the true aspect of BVR LR AAMs
For the present capabilities of both JF 17s and LCA tejas, a BVR Missile (by definition of combat range >37km) upto a range of 60-80km is more than sufficient. Anything more is a pure wastage. Simply bcz these engagements wont take a such altitudes that true range potential of BVR missile will be ever used. Secondly since birds of today uses Jammers/EW suites etc in tandem combination, these birds dont have enough powerful radars and tech to detect on their own such birds at very long distance say around 110 kms unless the data is supplied by awacs or mini awacs ( a role which is fulfilled easily bu MKI but PAF has no such thing n their arsenal)
For LCA existing MICA and Derby is more than enough. Astra Mk1 and Mk2 is also more than capability fitment.
Derby ER is best suited at present for MKIs and other birds.
The day LCA has a radar with LD/SD of around 90km-100km Derby ER suits it awesomely then. Same for JF 17s.
The only plus point for JF17s BVR combat via Awacs is since Su30 MKI has a bigger RCS, they can safely engage at around 100kms based on the feed of Awacs and based on doubling of LD/SD logic and assuming MKI carries nothing to jam radar detection trials via a sophisticated externally mounted pods. Due to already bigger RCS, it cannot escape all AWACs thus, it does provide a chance via JF17-Awacs combo BVR mode.
FOr LCA, Derby ER is definitely an overkill.. Unless Israel gives us better radars then 2032 or India develops its own.
but @PARIKRAMA
These long range bvr missiles increase the "No Escape Zone" further.so,it has some merit.Plus,I Derby is for Tejas 1A,and no country releases true spec of a rader.so it is safe to assume that while integrated with Tejas,they surely find some proper reason.
by the way,from where you find these figures?