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fear factor... besides, nk doesn't accept economic migrants i would dare say.



well, keep being brainwashed... about the situation in india ( https://defence.pk/threads/25-000-f...to-hang-themselves-on-independence-day.391701 ).
too picture perfect to be true besides if you go by Indian tourism incredible India ad pics, its the most beautiful country in the world.
Do you have any source? We used to think how wonderful USSR is.. before it came out in open.

Do you have any basis for believing that NK is better off when all the signs (isolation from world trade in general, ruled by family, closed country) suggests high chance of being a shit*y country to live in.
Are you so easily swayed by images?
 
jamahir when are you migrating to North Korea along with you family ?

I am willing to pay one way air ticket fair. Seriously. :tup:
 
People of My Generation who have about 20 more Years Left.....

We Grew when Country was newly created....

My Generation was Told Many Incorrect Things on Netajji and Azand Hind Fauj....

Remember articles in early 1950s speaking of Punishment of Azad Hind Fauj and Netaji for Collaborating with Japanese...

Sedition Charges were Poposed.

Before we Fade away, Nation Must give us Clear Picture "WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO NETAJI"

WHERE IS ALL THE TREASURE OF AHF Gone...

They fought for the nation....We need to Pay HOMAGE TO THEM!!
 
too picture perfect to be true besides if you go by Indian tourism incredible India ad pics, its the most beautiful country in the world.
Do you have any source? We used to think how wonderful USSR is.. before it came out in open.

since you are in britain, you can directly contact the below gentleman who is part of the "sons of malcolm" movement...

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his group was possibly the one to arrange the talk by the dprk ambassador... sukant is a fine man who was part of those western ( or otherwise ) journalists and activists who fought against the massive massive anti-syria anti-libya demonization campaign by nato propaganda agencies in 2011 ( till now )... just go meet sukant and his group.

and then, since you are in britain, i am sure there are ways to join a tour of dprk. :)

jamahir when are you migrating to North Korea along with you family ?

I am willing to pay one way air ticket fair. Seriously. :tup:

not replying to my point, eh??
 
not replying to my point, eh??

Sure let me reply with more details of how wonderful North Korea is :lol:

North Korea: 'We were forced to eat grass and soil' - CNN.com

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The testimonies, one after another, have been damning, disturbing and, at points, excruciating.

A North Korean prison camp survivor told of a pregnant woman in a condition of near-starvation who gave birth to a baby -- a new life born against all odds in a grim camp. A security agent heard the baby's cries and beat the mother as a punishment.

She begged him to let her keep the baby, but he kept beating her.

With shaking hands, the mother was forced to pick up her newborn and put the baby face down in water until the cries stopped and a water bubble formed from the newborn's mouth.


It's just one example of the kind of testimony heard during an 11-month inquiry into alleged violations of human rights in North Korea, and documented in a report released by the United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights on Monday.

The commission concluded that North Korea has committed crimes against humanity. The commission investigated issues regarding the right to food, prison camps, torture and inhuman treatment, arbitrary detention, discrimination, freedom of expression, the right to life, freedom of movement, and enforced disappearances, including abductions of other citizens.

The panel reported a stunning catalog of torture and the widespread abuse of even the weakest of North Koreans that reveal a portrait of a brutal state "that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world."

It remains to be seen what impact the report might have and whether China, a member of the U.N. Security Council and staunch ally of North Korea, will block action seeking human rights redress.

Collection of evidence

Since its creation last year, the commission of inquiry has examined satellite imagery, evidence and testimonies from more than 100 victims, witnesses and experts regarding North Korea. Some of the testimonies were held confidentially because of protection concerns for family still remaining in North Korea.

International attention on North Korea has previously focused on halting its nuclear weapons program, but, in response to increasingly detailed reports of human rights abuses emerging from the isolated state, the U.N.'s Human Rights Council elected in March to establish the commission.

For many North Koreans who testified, it was an acknowledgment of the sufferings they endured living and fleeing the regime. North Korea is said to practice "guilt by association" -- punishing members of a person's family and succeeding generations for one person's perceived misdeeds.

Pyongyang has refused to cooperate with the investigation and rejects the commission's validity. The commission of inquiry requested access to North Korea and also invited its authorities to examine its evidence and also contribute in the process.

In May 2013, North Korea sent a letter saying it "totally and categorically rejects the Commission of Inquiry" and has not answered subsequent letters, said Michael Kirby, the chair of the U.N. Commission of Inquiry.

The commission comprises three appointees, chaired by Kirby, a former Australian High Court judge, along with Sonja Biserko of Serbia and Marzuki Darusman of Indonesia.

Through its official news agency, KCNA, North Korea in August condemned the hearings as a "charade" to "hear testimonies from human scum."

A life in imprisonment

Throughout public hearings held in Seoul, Tokyo, London and Washington, D.C., former North Koreans told of torture and imprisonment for watching soap operas or trying to find food to sustain their families. Many of them ended up in prison camps for crossing the border to China or for having family members who were suspect to the regime.

The North Korean prison camps have survived twice as long as Stalin's Soviet gulags and much longer than the Nazi concentration camps.


One witness said that young male inmates in North Korean prison camps became so desperate for food they would eat live worms or snakes caught in the field to feel something in their stomachs.

"Because we saw so many people die, we became so used to it," one prison camp survivor told the commission. "I'm sorry to say that we became so used to it that we didn't feel anything. In North Korea, sometimes people on the verge of dying would ask for something to eat. Or when somebody died we would strip them naked and we would wear the clothes. Those alive have to go on, those dead, I'm sorry, but they're dead."

Jee Heon A told the commission of her time in a North Korean prison. She was sent there after being repatriated from China. She befriended a young girl, named Kim Young Hee and became like a sister to her. While they were forced to work in the fields, they were looking for a type of grass to eat, as their prison rations were not enough.

"We finished our work and we were about to pick up this grass or the plant that we knew we could eat," Jee told the commission. "And then the guards saw us, and he came running and he stepped on our hands and then he brought us to this place and he told us to kneel."

They were forced to eat the grass along with the root and the soil as punishment. Kim became increasingly sick with diarrhea after eating the soil.

"There was nothing I could do," Jee said. "I could not give her any medicine. And when she died, she couldn't even close her eyes. She died with her eyes open. I cried my heart out."

She wrapped Kim's body in a plastic bag and the other prisoners buried her and about 20 other bodies from the prison on a hill.

Orphaned and homeless in North Korea

"We covered the hole with clumped and frozen earth, but after a week when we went to the tomb, it was gone, the bodies were not there. We felt strange when we were going up that hill. We later found out that the old man who was guarding the place had his dogs eat the bodies. He raised five dogs and the dogs were eating the heads and the body parts of dead bodies."


This is the reality of the North Korea prison, Jee stated.

She ended her testimony saying: "I am embarrassed, I am ashamed to be here. There are people dying but because I was so desperate to make ends meet for myself, I was not able to help and I'm guilty of it."

"I live like a prisoner, the reason for my living, the reason that I had to come to South Korea, in addition for my own freedom, is to survive and live on behalf of those who didn't make it. People died for no reason. To help their souls rest in peace I have to be accountable for their lives."
 
since you are in britain, you can directly contact the below gentleman who is part of the "sons of malcom" movement...

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his group was possibly the one to arrange the talk by the dprk ambassador... sukant is a fine man who was part of those western ( or otherwise ) journalists and activists who fought against the massive massive anti-syria anti-libya demonization campaign in 2011 ( till now )... just go meet sukant and his group.

and then, since you are in britain, i am sure there are ways to join a tour of dprk.
ok.. will do.
just so you know RT is known to be an unreliable crazy source .. not very unlike some western right wing media. (or iranian press tv).
I am not denying western agenda, just that it does not prove the opposite is true always. You seem to swing from one end of propaganda(western one) to other end of extreme. I am a realist, I like to see the real world as it is, I am not a believer in any dogma, so am better equipped to figure out reality than you.
Lastly are you seriously expecting north korean ambassador to say anything different. His regime will kick his as*.
 
His regime will kick his as*.

he is a calm and well-spoken man... i don't know many western leaders who can talk as simply and in common sense as he does... i find the typical western leader a bore and a drone.

having said that, you should see the follow-up vid to his talk... the follow-up appears in the suggestion thumbnails at the end of the first vid.

yes, dprk is a different society than others but they are a disciplined society under threat of nato invasion for 50 years... would you be a different leader or general if in their position??

the only way they can change is remove the family system and move further along socialism... direct-democracy as in libya.

I am a realist, I like to see the real world as it is, I am not a believer in any dogma, so am better equipped to figure out reality than you.

which is why i asked you to judge for yourself by meeting "sons of malcolm" and if possible ( if you are rich ), join a tour of dprk.

You seem to swing from one end of propaganda(western one) to other end of extreme.

this i didn't understand but it doesn't matter now i suppose.
 
he is a calm and well-spoken man... i don't know many western leaders who can talk as simply and in common sense as he does... i find the typical western leader a bore and a drone.

having said that, you should see the follow-up vid to his talk... the follow-up appears in the suggestion thumbnails at the end of the first vid.

yes, dprk is a different society than others but they are a disciplined society under threat of nato invasion for 50 years... would you be a different leader or general if in their position??

the only way they can change is remove the family system and move further along socialism... direct-democracy as in libya.
the question is not whether they deserve the leader, the question is, is it possible to have a well off country under economic sanctions, beligerent neighbour and a ruthless ruler. The answer is no. its not possible.
but in pictures we see wonderful country and happy people. what does it tell you about their ruling regime?
why do their rulers always take photo of themselves infront of food or supermarket (other than military gadgets).
Besides their photoshop skills are laughable.

Gaddafi was also a dictator, but at least had support of his tribe(which he rewarded to remain in power). Real democracy my as*, its just sweet words to hide the truth. A country with 40+ year democatic institutions will not break just because one guy died. If it does then he created dependency and there are no system/institution at all. They have already descended to tribal warfare.

this i didn't understand but it doesn't matter now i suppose.
other end of extreme means: just because you dont trust western sources, does not mean you have to trust everything that their detractors say.

Just like you use your brain to figure out whats propaganda in western sources, you should use your brain to figure out what bits of propaganda anti western sources spread.
 
gandhi nehru did not perpetuate hatred even their detractors dont say that.. they might have been ineffective to stop violence.. thats different thing.


Gandhi-Nehru were the main stooges of the British who used them to create the Partition havoc. Not only that, these slaves of the colonials reaped seeds of hatred in SA causing endless misery to the peoples. Imagine what would have happened if these two had not hounded Netaji to exile? Or, if they had not forced Jinnah's hands into demanding Partition?
 
Gandhi-Nehru were the main stooges of the British who used them to create the Partition havoc. Not only that, these slaves of the colonials reaped seeds of hatred in SA causing endless misery to the peoples. Imagine what would have happened if these two had not hounded Netaji to exile? Or, if they had not forced Jinnah's hands into demanding Partition?

Its funny how the Muslim League was formed in 1906 specifically in support of British attempt to partition Bengal along religious lines in 1905 and stood for elections inspite of congress, nehru and gandhi asking them not to do so, and then winning 90% of ALL muslim votes in Bengal :lol:

Suddenly its the fault of Gandhi and Nehru :lol: ........ certain muslim hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
 
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Its funny how the Muslim League was formed in 1906 specifically in support of British attempt to partition Bengal along religious lines in 1905 and stood for elections inspite of congress, nehru and gandhi asking them not to do so, and then winning 90% of ALL muslim votes in Bengal :lol:

Suddenly its the fault of Gandhi and Nehru :lol: ........ muslim hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Its in your blood.


You got your chronology mixed up.
 
politicians as class are same since greeks... they say what people want to hear.

that won't be the case if each individual citizen becomes a politician by being part of the system... possible only in direct-democracy.

of course, in the few decades of the establishment of the direct-democracy system, there will be the remnants of the revolutionaries who will no doubt be celebrated more than other citizens.

other end of extreme means: just because you dont trust western sources, does not mean you have to trust everything that their detractors say.

Just like you use your brain to figure out whats propaganda in western sources, you should use your brain to figure out what bits of propaganda anti western sources spread.

sure... i am a careful and calm person... for example, i have twice or thrice mentioned the faults within the libyan system that led to libya being overrun, despite majority of libyans either fighting against the terrorists or just supporting the jamahiriya system.

Gaddafi was also a dictator, but at least had support of his tribe(which he rewarded to remain in power)

just his tribe?? you have a naive understanding of the libyan system... i must protest that you do not acknowledge the at least 200 times i have mentioned some details about the system there. :)

below are from 2011, july 1... most of tripoli in support of gaddafi and the jamahiriya system... unless you believe that tripoli was mostly or entirely composed of qaddhafa tribe...

Massive Anti-NATO-Rebel Demonstrations in Tripoli, July 1, 2011 with translated Gaddafi Speech - YouTube

Gadaffi speech Tripoli July 01 2011 - Million March - Part 1 - YouTube

A country with 40+ year democatic institutions will not break just because one guy died. If it does then he created dependency and there are no system/institution at all. They have already descended to tribal warfare.

from 2015... libyans want jamahiriya back... and these are not only from qaddhafa tribe...

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Since the conviction of Saif Islam Gaddafi to 9 and officials of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, several Libyan cities stood up to denounce the ruling. The population manifests for one week to demand the release of all prisoners and the return of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. A SABBAH, 07/08/2015, tripoli authorities sent a fighter jet in direction of the demonstrators to prevent the rally.

Main cities where we held the demonstration pro Jamahiriya:
Bani Walid, Benghazi, Sabha, Sirte, Tarhuna, Taraghin, Zala, Ubari, Brak Al'Shati (City Senoussi), Ghat, Tobruk, Sokna, Al-Ajeylat, Al'Asabaa
green libya lives... green flag flies.

why do their rulers always take photo of themselves infront of food or supermarket (other than military gadgets).

to probably show to the world that bbc and cnn lie about famines and such like.

i can also post pictures of kim jong-un visiting fish farms, water amusement parks, food processing plants and many other non-military venues... i can get them off facebook.

Besides their photoshop skills are laughable.

which dprk photoshop have you seen?? i don't think they even go that way.

muslim hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Its in your blood.

i saw you seriously talking of "kundalini powers" and yoga in another thread... scary to think that you can be someone i might have spoke to somewhere... strange people... brrr...

and what was the work that you have almost finished on pdf??

jamahir will join you in this effort.

jamahir is more interested in the current and the future.
 
i saw you seriously talking of "kundalini powers" and yoga in another thread... scary to think that you can be someone i might have spoke to somewhere... strange people... brrr...

and what was the work that you have almost finished on pdf??

And I though you wanted to go live in paradise called North Korea.

BTW I spoke of Kundalini and not Kundalini "power". Kundalini means coiled up. Releasing the kundalini means realising the coiled up potential in humans.

Maybe that is something you should try. Otherwise you will end up admiring despots from Libya to north korea just because you cannot realize your potential.
 

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