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[MH.Yang]

Uh, but we are talking about japanese literature and historical text, no? Not just their modern history.
If we talk modern history, we will see chinese boasting about the Korean war or vietnamese boasting about Vietnam war.

If you contact Chinese military fans, they are certainly familiar with the Korean War. If you contact ordinary Chinese, they know more about the Opium War and the war of resistance against Japan.

In fact, China doesn't even have many films about the Korean War. But there are many films about the Opium War and the Anti Japanese War, all about how we were beaten. You can Google to prove my point.

 

[REhorror]

If you contact Chinese military fans, they are certainly familiar with the Korean War. If you contact ordinary Chinese, they know more about the Opium War and the war of resistance against Japan.

In fact, China doesn't even have many films about the Korean War. But there are many films about the Opium War and the Anti Japanese War, all about how we were beaten. You can Google to prove my point.

If you contact ordinary japanese, they wouldn't know about most modern history at all, since they are really apolitical.
On the movie side, you will find that they have a ton of WW2 movies, and they lost that one.

 

[MH.Yang]

If you contact ordinary japanese, they wouldn't know about most modern history at all, since they are really apolitical.
On the movie side, you will find that they have a ton of WW2 movies, and they lost that one.

If you carefully watch those Japanese World War II films, you will find that they avoided describing Japan's defeat, but promoting the death of soldiers.
forexample <Otoko-tachi no Yamato>

 

[REhorror]

If you carefully watch those Japanese World War II films, you will find that they avoided describing Japan's defeat, but promoting the death of soldiers.
forexample <Otoko-tachi no Yamato>

Uh, that's the same for chinese films, see some of the recent chinese film like the 800 or even older ones like the Boxer Rebellion, where they all die fighting valiantly.
Seems like there are common themes, nations want to celebrate soldiers fighting valiantly, not necessarily defeat.

 

[MH.Yang]

Uh, that's the same for chinese films, see some of the recent chinese film like the 800 or even older ones like the Boxer Rebellion, where they all die fighting valiantly.
Seems like there are common themes, nations want to celebrate soldiers fighting valiantly, not necessarily defeat.

No, China tends to emphasize the causes of failure, such as warlords, civil war and official corruption.

In fact, China also does worship death. But Confucian culture advocates sacrificing life for righteousness, not suicide to avoid responsibility.

 

[REhorror]

No, China tends to emphasize the causes of failure, such as warlords, civil war and official corruption.

In fact, China also does worship death. But Confucian culture advocates sacrificing life for righteousness, not suicide to avoid responsibility.

Not so different than Japan then, since they like empathize they much outmatched they were compared to the American, that's why they resort to suicidal tactics like kamikaze.

The more you discuss, the more you can find these common themes in war films.

 

[MH.Yang]

Not so different than Japan then, since they like empathize they much outmatched they were compared to the American, that's why they resort to suicidal tactics like kamikaze.

The more you discuss, the more you can find these common themes in war films.

It's very different. China emphasizes the reasons for failure. Japan likes to film the death of soldiers, not why they launched a war.
This is the difference between emphasizing failure and promoting death.

 

[REhorror]

It's very different. China emphasizes the reasons for failure. Japan likes to film the death of soldiers, not why they launched a war.
This is the difference between emphasizing failure and promoting death.

That part is true, most jap WW2 movies really lack the reason why they launch the war.

 

[Viet]

That part is true, most jap WW2 movies really lack the reason why they launch the war.

Yes because chinese emphasize the culture of victimization. They made endless movies on Japanese invasion.
Japanese seldom look back.

 

[REhorror]

Yes because chinese emphasize the culture of victimization. They made endless movies on Japanese invasion.
Japanese seldom look back.

The japs do try to make it seems like they are a victim of WW2 against the americans, when they were not.
If they were really a victim though, their cause would be much stronger and they wouldn't hide it at all, just like the war films about them resisting mongol invasion.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yes because chinese emphasize the culture of victimization. They made endless movies on Japanese invasion.
Japanese seldom look back.

Contrary to what you said, China doesn't like to emphasize the identity of victims.

In fact, China emphasizes that its own mistakes lead to failure. Our cultural habits look for reasons from ourselves.

So you often see Indians say that because the British plundered them for many years, they are in trouble blablabla.

But the Chinese certainly won't say such a thing. They only say that our weakness has given the enemy an opportunity, and we won't let history repeat itself.

Anyone who has come into contact with Indians and Chinese can clearly feel the difference between the two. It is victim culture to attribute failure to other talents.

The Japanese is also not the culture of victimization. They just like to package themselves as victims. But the Japanese will not blame others for their failure.

 

[REhorror]

Contrary to what you said, China doesn't like to emphasize the identity of victims.
In fact, China emphasizes that its own mistakes lead to failure. Our cultural habits look for reasons from ourselves.

I wouldn't agree considering the hundreds or so TV series about japanese invasion in chinese TV, which focus heavily on the japanese cruelty and incompetence.
There's certainly a level of victimization and blaming the foreigner there, else we would see a lot more movies/TV shows criticizing the corruption of the late Qing dynasty and Empress Dowager.

 

[MH.Yang]

I wouldn't agree considering the hundreds or so TV series about japanese invasion in chinese TV, which focus heavily on the japanese cruelty and incompetence.
There's certainly a level of victimization and blaming the foreigner there, else we would see a lot more movies/TV shows criticizing the corruption of the late Qing dynasty and Empress Dowager.

Any war film will shoot the cruelty of the enemy, which does not mean shirking the reasons for failure. Every war movie in China will emphasize its own mistakes. If the Chinese don't make it, how do Vietnamese know Empress Dowager Cixi?

 

[REhorror]

Any war film will shoot the cruelty of the enemy, which does not mean shirking the reasons for failure. Every war movie in China will emphasize its own mistakes. If the Chinese don't make it, how do Vietnamese know Empress Dowager Cixi?

Uh, even if you don't watch chinese movies, the brit and westerners makes a bunch of films exposing the corruption of the Qing, the HKers also made some, because they hate the Qing.
I'm just saying there's an imbalance between that, and the movies/TV shows about japanese invasion, which nowadays is mostly about communist guerillas trumping the japs anyway.

 

[Viet]

They do try to make it seems like they are a victim of WW2 against the americans, when they were not.
If they were really a victim though, their cause would be much stronger and they wouldn't hide it at all, just like the war films about them resisting mongol invasion.

Chinese are crybaby.

Contrary to what you said, China doesn't like to emphasize the identity of victims.

In fact, China emphasizes that its own mistakes lead to failure. Our cultural habits look for reasons from ourselves.

So you often see Indians say that because the British plundered them for many years, they are in trouble blablabla.

But the Chinese certainly won't say such a thing. They only say that our weakness has given the enemy an opportunity, and we won't let history repeat itself.

Anyone who has come into contact with Indians and Chinese can clearly feel the difference between the two. It is victim culture to attribute failure to other talents.

The Japanese is also not the culture of victimization. They just like to package themselves as victims. But the Japanese will not blame others for their failure.

Ah come on, there is more than just learning from past mistakes. Ccp wants chinese people to know their role in the war against Japan, their role of country liberation. That’s in turn will legitimate the rule over China today.