Hypothesis: Hypothesis: Should China sell J-8II H/F to N. Korea to replace gaining Fleet

[Counter-Errorist]

They dont have the money to buy anything, do they?

They'll be happy to make burger patties out of their population to trade with.

 

[Luftwaffe]

They dont have the money to buy anything, do they?

Well their were fed for a long by China Government but yeah they have the potential to tell China go out close the door N. Korea is crazy and whatever interests China have or invested would all vaporize. N. Korea has potential reserves of minerals and huge land could be bought for agri product but it seems all will be lost in time by China as the only ally. It is getting harder for China to control N Korean regime.

 

[bolo]

Kim Jong-un is a bitch. China won't sell anything to North Korea, period.

Nk is an ally. Turning on Nk for Sk is a disastrous move. Inagine having the US army and missiles in your backyard. Sk is pro US, always will be in the foreseeable future.

Your comments are making less sense.

As you said in the past, but now DPRK became a pain in the a** even for China. In reality China has better tiers with ROK than DPRK now.

Saids you?

 

[帅的一匹]

North Korea is not Chinese Ally, neither South Korea. Only Pakistan is our ally.

 

[Fsjal]

Only Pakistan is our ally.

How disappointing.

 

[itaskol]

• North Korea is not Chinese Ally, neither South Korea. Only Pakistan is our ally.

• north korea is not our ally.
• but unfortunately， the china-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty 中朝友好合作互助条约still valid till 2021， we are kidnapped by the north korean

 

[Echo_419]

Kim Jong-un is a bitch. China won't sell anything to North Korea, period.

but he is your Bitch

 

[Friei Indien]

i honestly think that china should remain contended after screwing up PAF by selling their useless junk jf17, plz chinese , dont f**K up north korea too

 

[2049_Prc]

They dont have the money to buy anything, do they?

North Korea does have the money. Everyone thinks they are poor, but that is not entirely correct as they still have the "hard currecly", better than anything else - gold reserves.

I qoute:

North Korea has begun to sell large amounts of gold to China in a bid to tide over its economic crisis, multiple sources familiar with North Korea affairs said Wednesday.
The disposal could be an indication of an imminent economic collapse as it goes against founding leader Kim Il-sung's order to never sell the country's gold, according to the sources.

"Since several months ago, North Korea has begun to sell even its gold," one source said, asking that he not be identified. "Overseas sales of gold are a barometer of whether the North Korean economy is in a crisis or not."

It is the first time that North Korea has sold gold since its leader Kim Jong-un took power in late 2011 following the death of his father Kim Jong-il, the sources added. Kim Il-sung is the current leader's grandfather.

According to South Korean government data, North Korea holds about 2,000 tons of gold reserves worth at least US$8 billion.

N. Korea sells gold in sign of imminent economic collapse: source

 

[帅的一匹]

but he is your Bitch

India could have this bitch, approved.

i honestly think that china should remain contended after screwing up PAF by selling their useless junk jf17, plz chinese , dont f**K up north korea too

Look the avatar you put there, explains everything. A pathetic man of doomed destination.

 

[2049_Prc]

Nk is an ally. Turning on Nk for Sk is a disastrous move. Inagine having the US army and missiles in your backyard. Sk is pro US, always will be in the foreseeable future.

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I agree. No matter how much China wishes to have friendly and good relations With South Korea, the fact is unfortunately that SK is still a U.S. ally, and they have 28.000 U.S. troops stationed in SK. On the other and, China has no troops in NK.

With the Taipei issue not even Close to resolved, it would be strategically a huge blow to turn it's back on NK, no matter how much "crazy" Kim might be. We need to look at the bigger Picture here, as you correctly pointed out.

 

[chauism]

Saids you?

Said Chinese officials themselves.

WikiLeaks: Better not believe it
How far might the new Sino-South Korean rapport go? Maybe all the way. On November 29, 2010 the top front page story in the Guardian, a leading British daily paper, bore the striking headline: "Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'" The sub-heading expanded and explained: "Leaked dispatches show Beijing is frustrated with military actions of 'spoiled child' and increasingly favors reunified Korea."

Really? No, not really. On closer inspection this was just gossip. A particular official known to be an outspoken hardliner - Chun Yung-woo, senior foreign policy secretary to the then ROK president, Lee Myung-bak - was telling the US ambassador in Seoul, over breakfast, some grumbles about the DPRK he'd heard from low-level Chinese officials on the sidelines of the six-party talks - in 2008, two years earlier! So this was no bombshell, but tittle-tattle.

It was also very misleading, since in fact China's line was the exact opposite. In May 2010, when South Korea accused the North of torpedoing one of its warships in March (46 young sailors drowned), Beijing angered Seoul by refusing to condemn Pyonyang - which denied responsibility. More broadly: From about 2008, when Kim Jong-il's health first became a concern, all signs indicate that China took a strategic decision to grit its teeth and prop up the Kim regime, no matter what. Trade (see above) and visits both rose markedly.

Why would China choose so? Old friendship - "like lips and teeth", it used to be said - was the least of it. Old-timers who valued wartime comradeship no longer held power in China. Their pragmatic successors were impatient with the DPRK as an ungrateful loose cannon.

So why support it? For very cogent reasons. Seen from Beijing, if there is one thing worse than North Korea, then it is no North Korea. Both the process and outcome of any regime collapse in the DPRK look like nightmares for the PRC. Thousands of refugees would flee across the long (1,416 kilometer) and porous river border into China. There might be fighting, and China could get drawn in.

The nightmare scenario would be if China intervened, but so did the US and South Korea. A superpower clash in Korea, again? One Korean War was bad enough. (Chinese casualties were huge: 145,000 deaths, 25,000 missing, 260,000 wounded.) As for the outcome: If Korea reunifies like Germany and the DPRK vanishes, then the ROK, a staunch US ally which hosts 28,000 US troops, would share a border with China. Not good.

Yet this calculus is not set in stone. What if North Korea refuses to change, but continues to tax China's and everyone's patience with nuclear defiance and provocations? Or on the other side of the coin, a smart China should also cultivate South Korea and try to lure it away from quite so tight an embrace of the US. Many in Seoul fret that the ROK is punching below its weight on the global stage, and yearn for the foreign policy autonomy of a Turkey or a Brazil.

Eventually, if North Korea is stupid enough to remain obdurately recidivist, China may have to choose. Thinking strategically and long-term, which of the Koreas does it make economic and political sense for China to have as its ally or at least a good friend? If the question is put like that, the answer is obvious. So Kim Jong-eun had better not push China too far.

If Beijing ever decides it has had enough and cuts the cord, that would be the end of the DPRK. But if Kim sees the light and opts for peace and reform, there could still be two Koreas for a while to come. Northeast Asia's future, and his country's and his own, all hinge on how he decides. That visit to Mao Anying's grave suggests that Kim knows which side his bread is buttered.

Aidan Foster-Carter is honorary senior research fellow in sociology and modern Korea at Leeds University in the UK, and a freelance consultant, writer and broadcaster on Korean affairs. A regular visitor to the peninsula, he has followed North Korean affairs for 45 years.

A Chinese translation of an earlier version of part of this article was commissioned by and first appeared in SingTao Daily (Hong Kong), issue of 27-28 July 2013. Used by kind permission.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/KOR-01-070813.html
Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea' | World news | The Guardian

To the outside world, there are things about North Korea even more confusing than Dennis Rodman's sudden renaissance as a diplomat. One is why China bothers to care so much about North Korea, to be its patron and protector, its representative to the outside world.

Max Fisher of The Washington Post has a pithy summary: "No war, no instability, no nukes." Six words, three reasons, each worth unpacking a little.

Obviously, China does not want North Korea to go to war with South Korea, or with any other country in the region. The reasons are as self-evident as they would be if Canada were to declare war on Mexico. On a more subtle level, though, China's status as a world power diminishes significantly if North Korea becomes an independent belligerent. There is also an inverse correlation between North Korean belligerency and Japanese nationalism, another malignant force for China.

No instability: On the one hand, this means that a war or other catastrophe in North Korea would result in a flood of refugees into China, inter-group conflict, significant dislocation and serve as a catalyst for destabilizing social movements in China. China thus supplies North Korea with food and oil. The oil goes to the North Korean military, which is the largest employer in the country.

No nukes: China is most critical of North Korea's nuclear ambitions. Since China does not control North Korea, having an uncontrolled nuclear-armed neighbor is tantamount to a declaration of independence. Keeping North Korea non-nuclear keeps North Korea in a position of subservience. It must rely on China to broker relations with the rest of the world. If North Korea successfully becomes a nuclear power — meaning that it can reliably produce weapons and weapons systems — then the United States, counter-intuitively, could become the broker of North Korea's relations with the outside world.

This is not inconceivable.

China wants to protect North Korea so that the United States cannot easily or readily help re-unify the two Koreas, which would give the United States a much larger geopolitical footprint in China's sphere of influence. The seven-member politburo in China really does consider this a possibility, even though it sounds bizarre: North Korea rejected direct negotiations with the U.S. that would have started at the ministerial level. Kim Jong Un believes he ought to deal with President Obama directly, as Ambassador Rodman noted.

One question remains: How much influence does China actually have in North Korea? A puppetmaster Beijing is not. North Korea regularly ignores China's requests, hassles Chinese commercial ventures, hides its activities from Beijing, and shows no sign of following the prescription that Beijing has written for its neighbor, which mainly calls for more butter, and less guns. As a matter of policy, China seems to be patient because it has no other choice, and because it knows from its own normalization that change takes decades and often results from external shocks that are out of the control of any government.

What does North Korea want? Time. Independence. Respect. Better relations with South Korea. These China cannot give it.

Why China is afraid of North Korea - The Week

The reason China help DPRK is for its own stragedical purpose, but this partnership is becoming more and more counter productive. The partnership between PRC and ROK is based on pragmatism, and the relationship is depended on mutural benefits. So as a pragmatic leaders as what PRC has right now, who would you choose as your friend.

 

[Genesis]

I agree. No matter how much China wishes to have friendly and good relations With South Korea, the fact is unfortunately that SK is still a U.S. ally, and they have 28.000 U.S. troops stationed in SK. On the other and, China has no troops in NK.

With the Taipei issue not even Close to resolved, it would be strategically a huge blow to turn it's back on NK, no matter how much "crazy" Kim might be. We need to look at the bigger Picture here, as you correctly pointed out.

There was talk of SK uniting all of Korea either with Chinese help or at least Chinese approval, but the deal is new Korea will be neutral in all Chinese affairs and have no American presence.

The Americans won't want to be in South Korea for much longer, even they must admit that having 20,000+ men won't do anything to stop China, all it is, is that it will add 20,000+ body bags almost instantly. The fire power between Americans stationed in Asia and PLA is too big even now, but soon, we will have enough fire power to keep any reinforcements out of Asia.

Let's not forget, the americans are there on the pretence that NK is a threat, once that's gone, they will have no legitimate reason to stay, and even if they don't leave, we will have an excuse to start something.

So korea unification is good for all.

BTW Taiwan is all but settled, once we reach economic maturity, we will unify.

 

[Allah Akbar]

North Korea is not Chinese Ally, neither South Korea. Only Pakistan is our ally.

worst than NK haha

worst than NK haha

North Korea is not Chinese Ally, neither South Korea. Only Pakistan is our ally.

 

[Imran Khan]

why not both countries if agree on deal no one should have any problem