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Human rights issues in Gilgit-Baltistan, AJK raised at UN Published June 25, 2015 | By admin

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Well i dont know about gilgit baltistan but azad kashmir has a lower crime rate,murder rate and police presence than the rest of the country and we call ourselves Pakistanis


Yes on the army chief part 10% of pak army is from Kashmir

Indian Kashmir has much less crime than your Karachi or for that matter any part of Pakistan.

The day your part of Kashmir enjoys similar political rights as an Indian Kashmiri enjoy, let us talk then. Till then anything you say about how much 'freedom' your part of Kashmiris enjoy are nothing but empty words. A people who cannot represent themselves political at the highest level of a system are called slaves.

Lol.Do u even know that the current PM Nawaz Sharif of pakistan is an ethnic kashmiri

First know about your Country. He is a Punjabi.
 
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Indian Kashmir has much less crime than your Karachi or for that matter any part of Pakistan.

The day your part of Kashmir enjoys similar political rights as an Indian Kashmiri enjoy, let us talk then. Till then anything you say about how much 'freedom' your part of Kashmiris enjoy are nothing but empty words. A people who cannot represent themselves political at the highest level of a system are called slaves.

We don't take ''freedom'' lessons from those who oppress our people with 700,00+ troops. Yeah, your kind of freedom at the barrel of a gun!

Crimes against who? Muslims of IOK.

First know about your Country. He is a Punjabi.

My sister in law is Punjabi and my female cousin is from Faislabad. Does that make them Kashmiri because they moved here?
 
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We don't take ''freedom'' lessons from those who oppress our people with 700,00+ troops. Yeah, your kind of freedom at the barrel of a gun!

Crimes against who? Muslims of IOK.



My sister in law is Punjabi and my female cousin is from Faislabad. Does that make them Kashmiri because they moved here?

Don't give lessons on freedom.

My grandfather was from Lahore. Does that make me a Pakistani? People have 100 different origins and hence are immaterial, domicile is. NS is a Punjabi by domicile.
 
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Why on earth would a sane Kashmiri want to be part of a hindu majority nation only to be oppressed by people of a different faith
Because he is sane? Do you think kashmiri pandits are very eagar to join pakistan? Or is it your openion that they are not sane/Kashmiri?
 
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Pakistan seized control of both AJK and GB following the partition of British India in 1947
Please educate yourself you stupid moron, Pakistan never seized control of GB or it wasn't a forceful thing, a point which you are trying to make here.
Read the history of GB first. You don't know shit about GB or Azad Kashmir.
How Gilgit-Baltistan got liberated .
Yes there is a forceful invasion here in GB and Kashmir, i love this invasion. Apparently it's very brutal, now go cry to your mama.
 
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Why did you removed the other part :azn: of my post. Did it stung you?

No this one was the most funny one. The other part was also bullsh!t and is irrelevant as compared to oppression that people of Indian occupied Kashmir face.
 
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No this one was the most funny one. The other part was also bullsh!t and is irrelevant as compared to oppression that people of Indian occupied Kashmir face.

Having been on this forum for a year I learned that when the questions become relevant than they becomes bullsh!t for Pakistanis.
 
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Because he is sane? Do you think kashmiri pandits are very eagar to join pakistan? Or is it your openion that they are not sane/Kashmiri?
Pundits are not the only kashmiris

First know about your Country. He is a Punjabi.
Well actually his grandfather migrated from Shopian in Kashmir
 
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Having been on this forum for a year I learned that when the questions become relevant than they becomes bullsh!t for Pakistanis.

Ok!! go kill a kashmiri or something. After all that is the freedom you have in that region.
 
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The Gruesome Murder of un-armed AJK citizen Muhammad Ali Murtaza by Pakistan's Army in Tehsil Khuiratta





Muhammad Ali Murtaza in his unsealed coffin




Kotli – Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK)




Thu. 21/02/13




Born in Lahore to a Sufi (Brelvi Sunni to be precise) Kashmiri Imam of a masjid in Lahore some 25 years ago, Muhammad Ali Murtaza originated from Aghaar Kotli. Hardly a stone's throw from the tomb of Sufi Sadiq who has devotees running in the hundreds of thousands spread as far as the UK. Ali had begun frequenting his homeland (Kashmir) often in the past year. His father Siddique tearfully narrated that his son had acquired a fondness for his motherland and wanted to settle here, preferring the open natural landscape of Kashmir to the stifled atmosphere of Green Town Lahore.




On Sunday (the 17th of February) Ali was making his way to his cousin sister's home in Janjot Bahadur (Seri – Tehsil Khuiratta District Kotli) near the LOC (Line of Control). He had visited before but important to note is that the Pakistani army has strategically kept civilian villages ahead of their forward positions all along the LOC. Before he could reach her home, he was picked up by Pakistan's army from Chattar in front of other civilians and as per their working pattern, Ali was promptly handed over to their intelligence agency, presumably the ISI. It is learned that in their blunt questioning they were puzzled that Ali said he had come from Kotli but his Pakistani ID card showed an address in Lahore.









Torture marks (photos attached) show that his legs were drilled, his feet were nailed and most of his body has overt signs of beating and torture. Ali had studied up to the eighth standard and had also memorised around 2 paras (2 of 30 parts of the Holy Qur'an). His father narrated to this writer that Ali wasn't too keen on his studies but would apply himself diligently to any work that he took a liking to. An example is helping his elder brother in his sanitary business in Lahore. As far as religious or political affiliation is concerned, Ali never showed any inclination towards any particular disposition.




The family of Ali became anxious when he wasn't reachable by phone and a desperate search for his whereabouts commenced including an enquiry made to the nearest army picket who gave an answer in the negative. It wasn't until Tuesday morning (the 19th) that Deputy Commissioner of Kotli Masood ur Rehman informed Ali's family of his horrid fate.




It appears that Ali was either tortured in or near Chattar or taken to Jhelum (in Pakistan) and tortured there. The victim's family includes his cousin brother Amjad Choudary (Chief Editor of urdu Daily 'Sada e Chinar') who's first task was to retrieve and take custody of the battered corpse. Pakistan's army was originally (and true to form) reluctant to do such and after much lengthy negotiations between representatives of the family (which also includes Mehboob Choudary – Member Kashmir Council) the heavily sealed coffin was handed over to the family at around 5pm (on Tuesday) but only after the Pakistani army's stationed Brigadier Faisal, took assurances from 4 people (namely, Amjad Choudary, DC, SP Kotli and local SHO) that:



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The coffin should not be opened and must be buried intact

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There should be no leak to the media

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No public agitation

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Burial should take place late at night





They were also pressured to present Ali's death publicly as resulting from Indian army fire (there were no gunshot wounds on his body). As a 'sweetener' Pakistan's army went to the length of offering Ali to be buried with protocol, accorded the rank of Captain and feted as a martyr. If the family had not agreed to these conditions, it is considered highly unlikely that Ali's corpse would have been handed over otherwise. All conditions mentioned above - bar public agitation - were broken forthwith in public interest.




Earlier, DC Kotli had insisted on not taking custody of the body from Pakistan's army without engaging the bereaved family. This provided the family evidence which reportedly thousands of AJK civilians allegedly murdered by Pakistan's army in the past 65 years have been forlornly denied. Social media initially and urdu dailies subsequently have shown evidence of torture and this wouldn't have been possible if Ali's body had not been retrieved. He was eventually buried under the watchful eyes of Pakistan's military. It's agencies and the local administration - after 11pm on Tuesday night - but not before a post mortem which candidly states extreme torture as the cause of Ali's death was provided to the bereaved family.






Ali's Grave




Why was Ali killed and tortured in such a brutal manner and in this age of open information is in the words of local activists, “akin to the action of a mad dog”. Public demands over the past few weeks from Civil Society Forum – AJK for Pakistan's unaccountable and illegal presence in their territory to end, are now gaining momentum. The public is calm, shocked but infuriated that in their words, “Is an action by those whom we thought were our Muslim protectors (Pakistan), who've committed a crime unthinkable even from those whom they untiringly taught us was our common mortal enemy (India)”.




In terms of immediate measures, the public is adamant that in future Pakistan's army or agencies when picking up a suspect should initially consult with the local administration before taking any further steps. The public also recognises that though the Indian army takes shield from AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Powers Act), in AJK Pakistan's military is totally unanswerable in any forum. Their control over AJK's judiciary can be gauged by the fact that judges are vetted by Pakistan's military before they are selected. In this respect, the army assurance that they will provide a satisfactory solution to this case within 8 days, by holding a joint commission (Including Pakistan's army and members of AJK's administration) is unlikely to deliver any solace to the victim's family.




Finally, the gruesome murder of Muhammad Ali Murtaza should – it is contended – not be seen in isolation. Civil Society Forum – AJK whilst working in Khuiratta since July 2012 and conducting their first Ownership-Building-Measure (OBM) to open the Kotli-Rajouri route via Khuiratta, in particular it's demand for the Pakistani army (it's agencies and other militant wings) to vacate Kashmir by commencing their withdrawal from Tehsil Khuiratta (as gradual and incremental steps) towards returning ownership rights to the citizens of Kashmir, has not been taken lightly by Pakistan's roving agencies.




Ample evidence of harassing and instilling fear in our citizens despite overwhelming public opinion (polling gave a result of 99.5% in favour of opening the above-mentioned route) appears to be a clear message from Pakistan's military and it's agencies that their 'writ' will indefinitely remain unchallenged.

Pakistan army begin probe into Kashmir 'torture' death - BBC News
 
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Lol.Do u even know that the current PM Nawaz Sharif of pakistan is an ethnic kashmiri
Clarification required here. Was his father or grandfather born in Kashmir or were they just descendant of Kashmiris?
 
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Clarification required here. Was his father or grandfather born in Kashmir or were they just descendant of Kashmiris?
Grandfather was from Shopian in Kashmir
 
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@ito @Ajit Kumar
1) check out when there was curfew last time in Azad Kashmir.
2)check out when there was mass rape by PA or other Pakistani SF in Azad Kashmir.
3)Check out how many anti Gov protests are held everyday in Azad Kashmir.
4)Check out how many Pakistani flags are raised in Azad Kashmir everyday and Indian's are raised.
5)Check out how many peoples are arrested everyday.
6)Checkout how many unmarked graves have been reported to date.
7)Check out when did last time Kashmiri,Gilgiti or Balti students where kicked out of Pakistani uni last time due to supporting some other cricket team.
8)Check out when did last time an attack on Army Post,convoy,personal or position did happened and was carried out by locals.
9)Check out how many type of Pakistani SF's are there in Azad Kashmir and how many are in IOK.
10)Check out number of Pakistan troops stationed in cities and on LOC verse Indian Troops.
Come back with an Ans to continue.....
 
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