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HTT-40 Aircraft will be ready by mid 2015: HAL

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Indigenously designed basic trainer aircraft HTT-40 will take to the skies in the middle of 2015.

State-owned aircraft major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has gone ahead with the development programme even though its intended buyer explicitly stating that there was ‘no need for the aircraft’.

Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne had said that there was no need for turbo trainer project during Aero India 2013, where a full-scale mock-up of the HTT-40 was also displayed.

HAL undertook the programme after the grounding of HPT-32 (Deepak) trainers in 2009 due to increased instances of engine failures.

“The preliminary design phase of basic trainer, HTT-40 is already initiated at the Aircraft Research and Development Centre (ARDC)”, R K Tyagi, HAL chairman, told Express.

He said once the prototype was in the air, they would then start production of the aircraft.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has repeatedly expressed its disappointment over delayed projects by HAL. It was also reported that the IAF had suggested to the government to shelve the project as India had already finalised the procurement of 75 Swiss based Pilatus PC-7 aircraft.

“It is to be emphasised that the best of defence technologies cannot be purchased, they can only be developed and the Union Budget is a step in that direction,” he said.

The Air Force has been reeling under shortage of trainer aircraft for some time now and is currently making do with the Kiran aircraft, due to the delay in completion of the Intermediate Jet Trainer programme, also being developed by the HAL.

HTT-40 Aircraft will be ready by mid 2015: HAL | idrw.org

Even though this seems dead end for HTT 40, No harm in developing it. Yes, intended users will not use it at the initial stage but we can use it at later point of time by gradually upgrading it. I say go ahead with this....

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If the IAF is ordering PC-7s.. why waste money .. Priorities must be conveyed by the CAG.

Previously also HAL has gone ahead with private projects,HJT 38,being an example . It will help them only.
Go Hal!
 
Previously also HAL has gone ahead with private projects,HJT 38,being an example . It will help them only.
Go Hal!

Yes, but going with private projects that bear fruition.
For eg.. designing a 50 inch tablet might seem like a great achievement if anyone had use for it.

These resources(engineers, technicians etc) would be better used to boost existing programs or work on pertinent ones.
 
Yes, but going with private projects that bear fruition.
For eg.. designing a 50 inch tablet might seem like a great achievement if anyone had use for it.

These resources(engineers, technicians etc) would be better used to boost existing programs or work on pertinent ones.

Lets wait and see what they will come up with. IAF has really hurt HAL this time.
 
Highlights the extent of their capabilities. The party, to which the product is aimed at, has said in their faces to c*o*c*k it up. But then what will HAL engineers and scientists do. They can't invent anything new even if their life depended on it. HPT-16, HPT-32, HPT-38, HPT-40. Just dig a hole, put cash in it, and burn it. You have achieved what HAL would take a decade or two to do.
 
Who is funding the project if IAF has categorically denied any interest in final product?
 
Again a classic case of misplaced priorities by HAL, rather than concentrating on HJT 132 Sitara, these scumbags r busy developing HTT 40...:hitwall:
 
Lets wait and see what they will come up with. IAF has really hurt HAL this time



Don't blame the IAF. HAL couldn't meet an obvious need in a timely manner. That's HAL's fault. I would rather see fewer pilots die than wait for HAL to get the plane in operation (I bet this isn't ready until 2016 at least).

Made in India solutions are great. But not great enough to have soldiers die for them to become operational. Would you risk your own life flying an old unsafe aircraft to give HAL the time it needs to make its products meet operational requirements?
 
This is just their hurt ego talking, but remaining with this project doesn't make sense at all. It has not strategic meaning, in the sense that they develop NG capabilities here, nor do they have any export chances without IAF ordering it in higher numbers.
On the other side, it free scientists and recsourses to get the IJT ready now, which should have more importance for HAL and for IAF anyway. So please HAL, get over it and focus on the important projects!
 
By all means develop and conduct R&D but when you are funding a project with next to no hope of success as the IAF has already clearly said they don't need the HTT-40 now they have got their PC-7 MK.IIs, you are just wasting valuable time,effort and resources. HAL have got to a point where this is a matter of pride, they have to prove they can deliver such things to the Indian forces but when it is so late and so many more times more expensive than a foreign product it is just pointless. Sooner or later these guys are going to have to bite the bullet and accept the HTT-40 is a dead-end project.

I just hope this realisation is made sooner rather than later so this project doesn't suck up anymore Indian taxpayers' money.
 
Now this is a great project by HAL :cheers:. Good to know that HTT 40 will take to the skies by 2025. By then the Pilatus trainers would have done 10 years and we'd have to start thinking about the next replacement. By 2030, the HTT 40 would have done all required certifications and we can start induction as replacements. GREAT FOWARD THINKING HAL.
 
If the IAF is ordering PC-7s.. why waste money .. Priorities must be conveyed by the CAG.

No reason why there should not be any Design & Development work carried out on this project. AS long as it is internally funded, ie by HAL.
HAL will develop the skill-sets required to actualise the product. If the product is good enough, it will surely find some buyer. If it is not, that will give enough opportunity to HAL to reassess its systems. All that is appropriate to the learning curve that HAL must go through in order to get better. Ideally, even Mahindra Aerospace (a private player) for example; should consider undertaking a similar project.
It will be good for India's budding local aerospace industry.
 
No reason why there should not be any Design & Development work carried out on this project. AS long as it is internally funded, ie by HAL.
HAL will develop the skill-sets required to actualise the product. If the product is good enough, it will surely find some buyer. If it is not, that will give enough opportunity to HAL to reassess its systems. All that is appropriate to the learning curve that HAL must go through in order to get better. Ideally, even Mahindra Aerospace (a private player) for example; should consider undertaking a similar project.
It will be good for India's budding local aerospace industry.

But in this case... it seems that HAL is busy building the proverbial unwanted child.
 
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