How's the China politics look like in my eyes.

[vietnamese_sausage]

Because the dirty word for example used in my reply, my reply needs waiting PDF's moderator approval, whatever. scold CCP is nothing. no one can bring the scolder jail, that's illegal. zhis photographer is a little famous in some website, this picture is 8440+ liked in Zhihu.
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why do you need to use dirty wordsr? i thought chinese are civilized

This is a sensitive topic in China.

what is sensitive topic? I don't understand your poor chinaman @Tang Yi english post.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

@FairAndUnbiased is not correct. Many threads here are opinion-based, and the vast majority of posts here are opinions, not news. Since you started the thread, you have the right to decide its contents as long as it follows the forum rules.

Do not let anyone intimidate you into silence simply because he disagrees with you. You are most welcome to post your opinions on PDF.

You only welcome opinions that agree with yours. Anyone else you dismiss as a hard left nationalist, which may or may not be true, but has no influence on the correctness of the views. Look at the front page of this section - most topics - not posts, which I did not refer to, but topics - are news.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What means democracy? The true democracy means the power to the people.

We don't need those political tools under the name of "democracy" to exploit and to fool our people.

CPC's current system works perfectly, I don't see any change in the next 50 years.

And do people believe that the US is a true democratic nation?

The US gives their stupid peasants an illusion that they have the true democracy with those fake rigged elections. Both Democrats and Republicans actually work for the same boss. Only the gullible idiots can believe that they have the freedom and human right just because they can vote one of those same puppets that the corporations present in front of you.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

You only welcome opinions that agree with yours. Anyone else you dismiss as a hard left nationalist, which may or may not be true, but has no influence on the correctness of the views. Look at the front page of this section - most topics - not posts, which I did not refer to, but topics - are news.

It's hard not to interpret your comment as projection. I have never attempted to silence the opposition, and indeed, I have widely divergent views with most Chinese users here, but always appreciate discourse with them despite our differences. @Chinese-Dragon and I disagree on a range of issues, from democracy, to the role of SOEs in China, to the speed of reform, to the tactics of the CCP in Asian geopolitics, but I enjoy discussing the issues with him, as I am always able to refine my thought process (whether it's strengthening my own argument, or admitting that I am wrong). Likewise, I have been less than impressed with Abenomics and Japan's stance on the TPP, but that doesn't prevent a calm discussion between me and @Nihonjin1051 about the merits and demerits of Abe's program and Japanese agricultural protectionism. Even @senheiser contributes interesting information, despite his relentless anti-American invective.

Certainly, I have never told a user that the posting of an opinion thread violates PDF's accepted practices, as you have done.

Of course I favor comments that agree with me, but that's human nature. If I were to only welcome comments that agreed with my own, why would I waste my time on PDF? I have my red lines that lead to my use of the ignore function, but who doesn't?

Regarding your framework for PDF threads, the following are examples that are counter to your claims about news vs. opinion:
Why Hong Kong protesters are hated by everyone
The Concept of the Pan-Malay Union: A discussion
China makes NYC look like the 3rd world
Democracy in China? Depends on the outcome....

And so on and so forth, and that's just the China and Far East section, let alone all of PDF. In fact, one of the main functions of the Think Tank Analyst cohort is to contribute original opinion and analysis (e.g. The Socioeconomic Repercussions of Terrorism in Refugee Populations: Turkey and Jordan as Case Study ), so it seems unlikely that PDF would discourage the contribution of original opinion and analysis.

What about @Tang Yi 's post drives your desire to suppress the posting of opinions on PDF? His post seemed fairly innocuous to me--he was hardly calling for revolution in China.

 

[Tang Yi]

What about Hong Kong protested issue? Shouldn't China let Hong Konger choose their own government ?

P.S: My experience with Hong Kong people in the U.S is that they despise CCP. And my history professor are from Hong Kong

I think I have answered a few times on this forum already on the issue of whether China is communist. The answer is yes, it still is. Too many people, especially younger ones, has a rather limited view on what exact communism is (or what capitalism is, for that matter) and somehow come up with the conclusion that China is no longer communist or China is capitalist. I will attempt to answer this again.

First of all, the bottom line. Political structures of nations are ever evolving and many countries will continuously adopt principles that yields benefit, regardless of which school of thoughts the principles originated. Hence communism/capitalism today wouldn't be the same as communism/capitalism in the 1950s and they certainly wouldn't be the same as their 19th century counterpart.

The core of communism lay within in two things, common (state) ownership of material for production or absence of social class. The former is easy to understand. State ownership of material of production is a characteristic seen in all socialism branches and pretty much all countries in the world has these to some degree.

The second part is a bit more tricky and frankly each country has its own interpretation. While Karl Marx originally envision an economy is completely free of money, class and social status, in practice, no one actually follows this vision strictly. The reason is that Marx's original vision depends on the government to be able to coordinate all economic activities within a nation down to small details and it just couldn't be done realistically, especially for large nations like USSR or China. Now, this isn't to say the idea doesn't have its merits. From Chinese perspective, there is very tangible benefit in reduction of difference in class and social status. The reason is that Chinese culture has historically trust meritocracy more than any other form of government. Reduction of class/social status difference just means you gets a bigger pool of candidates available for selection.

These are really the core principles that defines communism. There are additional principles Chinese like to follow, the most famous one is Mao's "any political theory must be considered with respect to actual situation in China", but broadly speaking, China today still follows the same core principle and ideas.

The biggest problem with people like the OP is that they somehow got the idea that political structure is this rigid and unchanging system and any deviation from it is criticized as betraying principle or lie. The reality is far different. In order for a country to flourish and prosper, it must continuously adapt itself to the changing environment, both external and internal.

interesting! I agree something in your comment but still feel something wrong. Maybe several day later I could find out and write a reply comment.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Regarding your framework for PDF threads, the following are examples that are counter to your claims about news vs. opinion:
Why Hong Kong protesters are hated by everyone
The Concept of the Pan-Malay Union: A discussion
China makes NYC look like the 3rd world
Democracy in China? Depends on the outcome....

And so on and so forth, and that's just the China and Far East section, let alone all of PDF. In fact, one of the main functions of the Think Tank Analyst cohort is to contribute original opinion and analysis (e.g. The Socioeconomic Repercussions of Terrorism in Refugee Populations: Turkey and Jordan as Case Study ), so it seems unlikely that PDF would discourage the contribution of original opinion and analysis.

What about @Tang Yi 's post drives your desire to suppress the posting of opinions on PDF? His post seemed fairly innocuous to me--he was hardly calling for revolution in China.

Some of the topics you pointed out actually have articles and pictures attached to them, with little opinion. Also, many of them are open discussions - this thread neither has articles to back it up nor is it an open discussion - what can we say other than "agree" or "disagree"?

I don't agree or disagre with any specific points on the OP's topic - I don't like some attitudes and I don't like the way he tries to represent others. I hate people apologizing for others and expecting everyone to act the same way. 1.3 billion people, 1.3 billion opinions. I think a simple courtesy in discussions is don't force your opinions onto others and don't call people of different opinions uneducated.

 

[Tang Yi]

What about Hong Kong protested issue? Shouldn't China let Hong Konger choose their own government ?

P.S: My experience with Hong Kong people in the U.S is that they despise CCP. And my history professor are from Hong Kong

Emm....these young HK protester look so familiar in my memory, remenber？culture revolution.

They are young, easy to be fanned, gathered to be force, with endless passion, be opinionated, radical, never learn to be compromise in negotiation, they don't even know what politics really is.

45 years ago(1968), this kind of student heard Mao's call. with Mao's political support, they walk on the street, kill their teachers, governors, and somebody others un-within their side, for beat down the established un-communism authority. My god, they did this for communism, but they even did not know what communism really is. They rob police and army men for guns(police dare even not to arrest them because of the "politics right" in that decade), later these students have factions, lead by different ideal madman or careerist, they shoot each other, piece each other with knives, and torch poor political weaker ones, thousands died per day, totally anarchism.

they did everything ugly to chase their ideal, but they did not even know what their ideal is. No matter what the ideal is, communism, capitalism, democracy, freedom, human right, all of it are bullshit. They just want to vent their adrenaline.

We have got enough lesson from this, and this will never back to stage, teenagers should not to be spoiled. If they did legally, they are a joke. If they did illegally, police are waiting for them.

 

[Tang Yi]

why do you need to use dirty wordsr? i thought chinese are civilized


what is sensitive topic? I don't understand your poor chinaman @Tang Yi english post.

the really sensitive topic is operational talk about how to fight against CCP(not irony or scold level).
Otherwise, one sensitive deeds is gathering people to do something except business and entertainment. CCP is rise from secret political group long time ago, they know what a big power there is in this deeds.
I'm curious that you are from a "named communism" country too, why do you not know this?

 

[Aepsilons]

Oh, my discussion goes to far, let us back to nowadays. This year, struggling against corruption is vast exist from officers to the top politic group, they are fight and prison each other by "the name of law", many governors commit suicide or be thrown into prison. as an old Chinese idiom said: who wins, who's the king; who lose, who's the criminal. The majority of people trust Xi, we will wipe some of those established people away to stop the imperialize progress. Also the enemy elders will help us to clean some corrupt governors of Xi's side. As what we did in the ancient, Tang Danasty(the most strong period in China's history), top politicians kill each other for grabbing politic power, use minimal armed force(100-1000 people,not army men), keep the political war far from civilians, and help our country clean and be heal in this progress.

Ni hao ma @Tang Yi ,

What image of the Communist party of China is held by its common membership? Over the last 90 years, has the party changed, and if so, in which respects? What problems and challenges does the party face today? We have to address the biggest threats to the Party? Problems and challenges still lurk in the CPC. The deterrence of corruption and sufficient penalties for corrupt officials are the party’s biggest challenges today. Facing corruption and a host of other challenges, can the CPC maintain the support of the nation? What is its future? Chinese society needs core leadership, and the flexibility of the party to formulate policies to self-adjust, self-correct, and self-rehabilitate confer on it the capacity to deal with various challenges, which in turn entitles it to continue at the helm of the nation. To address any shortcomings, the party need to carry forward its traditional three styles of work, namely integrating theory with practice, maintaining close ties with the masses and practicing criticism and self-criticism.

 

[Tang Yi]

Ni hao ma @Tang Yi ,

What image of the Communist party of China is held by its common membership? Over the last 90 years, has the party changed, and if so, in which respects? What problems and challenges does the party face today? We have to address the biggest threats to the Party? Problems and challenges still lurk in the CPC. The deterrence of corruption and sufficient penalties for corrupt officials are the party’s biggest challenges today. Facing corruption and a host of other challenges, can the CPC maintain the support of the nation? What is its future? Chinese society needs core leadership, and the flexibility of the party to formulate policies to self-adjust, self-correct, and self-rehabilitate confer on it the capacity to deal with various challenges, which in turn entitles it to continue at the helm of the nation. To address any shortcomings, the party need to carry forward its traditional three styles of work, namely integrating theory with practice, maintaining close ties with the masses and practicing criticism and self-criticism.

Co-nee-chee-wa, @Nihonjin1051 ,glad to receive your comment. However, it's 7:00 am at my place and it's time for my work, a big case, need at least 5 days. Maybe I could find some gap-time to answer your question( Emm ...really a lot of complex question that I have no confidence to answer all of this), or I'll reply you when my work finished.

Nice to meet you guys all, @Nihonjin1051 ,@LeveragedBuyout @jkroo and so on, see you next week!

 

[Aepsilons]

They are young, easy to be fanned, gathered to be force, with endless passion, be opinionated, radical, never learn to be compromise in negotiation, they don't even know what politics really is.

In the history of Chinese communist movement, the re-emergence of the term “permanent” or “uninterrupted” revolution is clearly associated with the Great Leap Forward of 1958. It is then that the concept was first put forward once more after an eclipse of 30 years, it is seen today. The concept of permanent revolution, which was espoused by Chairman Mao addressed the need to instill a revolutionary spirit amongst the masses, and as a way to continuously keep the party focused on its mandate, which is guaranteeing the rights of the masses. So, in a meta-analytical view, we can even consider these Hong Kong protesters as having embodied and manifested the ‘uninterrupted’ revolutionary spirit that Mao and other party leaders had touted in the early years.

If i remember it right, during the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese Red Guards were also considered 'radicals' by the older generation. So, we should have some kind of empathy for these Hong Kong protesters whom many label as 'radical'. At least, we can agree, that these folks are not destroying temples, manuscripts, and other repositories of history and cultural tradition.

Co-nee-chee-wa, @Nihonjin1051 ,glad to receive your comment. However, it's 7:00 am at my place and it's time for my work, a big case, need at least 5 days. Maybe I could find some gap-time to answer your question( Emm ...really a lot of complex question that I have no confidence to answer all of this), or I'll reply you when my work finished.

Nice to meet you guys all, @Nihonjin1051 ,@LeveragedBuyout @jkroo and so on, see you next week!

Ha ji me ma shi te @Tang Yi ! (Pleasure to meet you!)

Please , please, ask anything or post anything here that you want to discuss with all of us. I understand work schedules, feel free to ask anything of me and any other members. Have a good work week, and i look forward to interacting with you .

 

[vietnamese_sausage]

the really sensitive topic is operational talk about how to fight against CCP(not irony or scold level).
Otherwise, one sensitive deeds is gathering people to do something except business and entertainment. CCP is rise from secret political group long time ago, they know what a big power there is in this deeds.
I'm curious that you are from a "named communism" country too, why do you not know this?

I know how to fight communism but i'm not stupid to fight and die while someone will take the glory. Vietnamese communist is much bad than Chinese . There is no secret only pick up arms and overthrow government.

 

[cnleio]

I know how to fight communism but i'm not stupid to fight and die while someone will take the glory. Vietnamese communist is much bad than Chinese . There is no secret only pick up arms and overthrow government.

Such Dangerous Idea to a developing nation, change or overthrow government there'r two ways to solve the problem inside a bad government. First is Peaceful and need A Long Time, Second is Quick & Bloody and need Greater Determination & Risk.

But developed Asia nations like S.Korea and Japan, before they get developed all had Thirty years or Fifty years governed by the Dictator in S.Korea and by the Emperor in Japan. At last they successfully developed and change to a pro-Democracy & Rich developed nation.

 

[vietnamese_sausage]

Such dangerous idea to a developing nation, change or overthrow government there'r two ways to solve the problem inside a bad government. First is Peaceful and need A Long Time, Second is Quick & Bloody and need Greater Determination & Risk.

Toppling your ccp will be bloody and violent.

 

[cnleio]

Toppling your ccp will be bloody and violent.

LOL
Why, Didn't CPC bring the Rich & Glory to Chinese ppl ? China is World N.o2 now, and we still have the Hope.

Right now Who can 100% sure do much better than CPC in China ?