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也有人说习近平是毛泽东的儿子
因为都长的很胖
Also some people said Xi Jinping is Mao Zedong's son: Dbecause the long fat: -)
How's the China politics look like in my eyes.
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因为都长的很胖Also some people said Xi Jinping is Mao Zedong's son: Dbecause the long fat: -)
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Emm...it seems this forum not to be the right place to communicate. I have a question, reports and pictures without deeper background commentary often lead to absurd conception and arguments. How did your guys solve this problem?and I can not find any sign of forum administrator from your personal page. How could I prove your word is right?
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Interesting !
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I'm not the administrator. I don't need to be. I'm just here to remind you of the practice on this forum. Commentary is for the reply section. That's how its been done around here. Who are you to judge absurdity of arguments? Let the arguments speak for themselves. This isn't a Chinese forum - things are done differently here, and if you need reminders, I'll be more than glad to give them to you.
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Ok, I shall ask some other people here to confirm it.
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I think I have answered a few times on this forum already on the issue of whether China is communist. The answer is yes, it still is. Too many people, especially younger ones, has a rather limited view on what exact communism is (or what capitalism is, for that matter) and somehow come up with the conclusion that China is no longer communist or China is capitalist. I will attempt to answer this again.
First of all, the bottom line. Political structures of nations are ever evolving and many countries will continuously adopt principles that yields benefit, regardless of which school of thoughts the principles originated. Hence communism/capitalism today wouldn't be the same as communism/capitalism in the 1950s and they certainly wouldn't be the same as their 19th century counterpart.
The core of communism lay within in two things, common (state) ownership of material for production or absence of social class. The former is easy to understand. State ownership of material of production is a characteristic seen in all socialism branches and pretty much all countries in the world has these to some degree.
The second part is a bit more tricky and frankly each country has its own interpretation. While Karl Marx originally envision an economy is completely free of money, class and social status, in practice, no one actually follows this vision strictly. The reason is that Marx's original vision depends on the government to be able to coordinate all economic activities within a nation down to small details and it just couldn't be done realistically, especially for large nations like USSR or China. Now, this isn't to say the idea doesn't have its merits. From Chinese perspective, there is very tangible benefit in reduction of difference in class and social status. The reason is that Chinese culture has historically trust meritocracy more than any other form of government. Reduction of class/social status difference just means you gets a bigger pool of candidates available for selection.
These are really the core principles that defines communism. There are additional principles Chinese like to follow, the most famous one is Mao's "any political theory must be considered with respect to actual situation in China", but broadly speaking, China today still follows the same core principle and ideas.
The biggest problem with people like the OP is that they somehow got the idea that political structure is this rigid and unchanging system and any deviation from it is criticized as betraying principle or lie. The reality is far different. In order for a country to flourish and prosper, it must continuously adapt itself to the changing environment, both external and internal.
First of all, the bottom line. Political structures of nations are ever evolving and many countries will continuously adopt principles that yields benefit, regardless of which school of thoughts the principles originated. Hence communism/capitalism today wouldn't be the same as communism/capitalism in the 1950s and they certainly wouldn't be the same as their 19th century counterpart.
The core of communism lay within in two things, common (state) ownership of material for production or absence of social class. The former is easy to understand. State ownership of material of production is a characteristic seen in all socialism branches and pretty much all countries in the world has these to some degree.
The second part is a bit more tricky and frankly each country has its own interpretation. While Karl Marx originally envision an economy is completely free of money, class and social status, in practice, no one actually follows this vision strictly. The reason is that Marx's original vision depends on the government to be able to coordinate all economic activities within a nation down to small details and it just couldn't be done realistically, especially for large nations like USSR or China. Now, this isn't to say the idea doesn't have its merits. From Chinese perspective, there is very tangible benefit in reduction of difference in class and social status. The reason is that Chinese culture has historically trust meritocracy more than any other form of government. Reduction of class/social status difference just means you gets a bigger pool of candidates available for selection.
These are really the core principles that defines communism. There are additional principles Chinese like to follow, the most famous one is Mao's "any political theory must be considered with respect to actual situation in China", but broadly speaking, China today still follows the same core principle and ideas.
The biggest problem with people like the OP is that they somehow got the idea that political structure is this rigid and unchanging system and any deviation from it is criticized as betraying principle or lie. The reality is far different. In order for a country to flourish and prosper, it must continuously adapt itself to the changing environment, both external and internal.
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Hah, it's only The emperor's new clothes, just not talk in public in real world openly. Don't worry, I know what is really sensitive, this is only open "secret".
Thank you for advice.
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What about Hong Kong protested issue? Shouldn't China let Hong Konger choose their own government ?
P.S: My experience with Hong Kong people in the U.S is that they despise CCP. And my history professor are from Hong Kong
P.S: My experience with Hong Kong people in the U.S is that they despise CCP. And my history professor are from Hong Kong
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I have a different view，I think that China did not meet the material basis for socialism.This condition must be satisfied universal prosperity.
Hong Kong is a colony，And your idea is very similar to Vietnamese.Vandalism.There is no rule of law lawlessness.
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I never cared about ideologies, whether political or economic ideologies.
The only thing I care about, is WHAT WORKS.
And China's current system WORKS. It has lifted over 800 million Chinese people out of poverty in the last few decades, which is a feat that no other country has done before, in all of human history.
And, very importantly, the Chinese government is fully willing to reform and adapt this system, to match the constantly changing situation within China and the world. Check out Xi Jinping's current reform momentum for an example.
The only thing I care about, is WHAT WORKS.
And China's current system WORKS. It has lifted over 800 million Chinese people out of poverty in the last few decades, which is a feat that no other country has done before, in all of human history.
And, very importantly, the Chinese government is fully willing to reform and adapt this system, to match the constantly changing situation within China and the world. Check out Xi Jinping's current reform momentum for an example.
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Can you counter a foreign ‘discussion’ team? Thats a problem.
Dont be too serious and just have fun. You will never covince anybody online in everyday.Its good to be a rational or kind man. But dont be too naive to abuse it. Thats my advice.
BTW, you should have your own judgement and dont point at your fellow country men please.
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Hong Kong is a province (well, actually a city, but considered a province level entity) of China. Why would it be any different from other provinces?
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@FairAndUnbiased is not correct. Many threads here are opinion-based, and the vast majority of posts here are opinions, not news. Since you started the thread, you have the right to decide its contents as long as it follows the forum rules.
Do not let anyone intimidate you into silence simply because he disagrees with you. You are most welcome to post your opinions on PDF.
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