How would Pakistan Airforce handle Indian Airforce in case of a war??

[M.SAAD]

What strategy defensive/offensive does PAF have to counter the Indian airforce?? I can't help but ask this question cause I have strong doubts over the ability of PAF to counter a airforce much superior in numbers and which has vastly superior aircrafts/.


Do we even stand a chance ? Or would it be an overkill against us? , some of the stats below really makes me worried . Do we have a strategy ? Or enough weapons, SAMS, aircrafts to counter them ?

Here are some of the front line fighter jets and their total numbers in both airforce .

Indian Airforce.


Sukhoi Su-30MKI (Twin Engine Fighter jet) Russia


About 230 in number.


Mikoyan MiG-29 (Twin Engine Fighter jet)

About 69 in number.


Dassault Mirage 2000 France Multirole fighter


About 50 in number.



SEPECAT Jaguar UK, Role Attack.


About 145 in number



MiG 27


About 87 in number


Mig 21

About 245


And along with that 36 Twin Engine Rafale fighter jets to be inducted soon.



And here is what we have in comparison .



Pakistan Airforce.



General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon US /Single Engine (Multirole) .



About 76 in total numbers.




CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder /Single Engine (Multirole).




About 86-88 in numbers.


Dassault Mirage III


About 80 .



Dassault Mirage 5

About 82.


Chengdu F-7 (Interceptor)
F-7P/PG

About 193.





We basically have NO TWIN ENGINE fighter jet in our arsenal and Mirage 5,Mirage 3 and F7 are so old that they are basically useless in case of a war .


Our front line air crafts are F-16 and JF-17 which are single engine fighter jets and combined we have have about 165 in number , while India has SU 30 MKI a twin engine fighter jet alone around 230 in numbers.


Its crystal clear that India has the much superior fighter jets, we don't have the numbers either ... but do we have a plan??

 

[Centurion2016]

Those number for both air forces are wrong

There only 125 Mig21 IN service now ........All bisons AND they too will be gone by 2022/2023

The last MIG27 are going THIS year December 2017.

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION 42 MIG29K IN NAVY

AS FOR PAF

Only half the mirage are operational about 80 planes due lack of spares fir a full decade

IAF has around 650 planes may be less

PAF has around 350 planes maybe 400 max

 

[Arsalan 345]

su-30s of iaf is incredible but e are making jf-17s and we already have 80 to 90 jf-17s which means all jf-17s can fire bvr.india will not allow all su-30s to perform aerial combat.they will use probably 100.they might rely on mig-29 and future rafale.i think pakistan is in good situation.this jf-17 program is like a backbone for paf.we must speed up the process.to defeat a bvr,you need skills.india will not engage if they see bvr.in case of war,pakistan air force will perform more SEAD duties.

 

[American Pakistani]

su-30s of iaf is incredible but e are making jf-17s and we already have 80 to 90 jf-17s which means all jf-17s can fire bvr.india will not allow all su-30s to perform aerial combat.they will use probably 100.they might rely on mig-29 and future rafale.i think pakistan is in good situation.this jf-17 program is like a backbone for paf.we must speed up the process.to defeat a bvr,you need skills.india will not engage if they see bvr.in case of war,pakistan air force will perform more SEAD duties.

Never underestimate your enemy even if it is an ant and you an elephant. And here we are talking about India.

Although PAF have good pilots but PAF needs to speed up the gears to get into 5th gen planes in big numbers as it has done with JF17.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Never underestimate your enemy even if it is an ant and you an elephant. And here we are talking about India.

Although PAF have good pilots but PAF needs to speed up the gears to get into 5th gen planes in big numbers as it has done with JF17.

i agree.we must speed up different processes.we need more funds.

 

[American Pakistani]

i agree.we must speed up different processes.we need more funds.

Funds are linked to economic uplift. Pakistan need aggressive economic leaders who spend day and night working for exceeding the target growth every year.

 

[volatile]

Funds are linked to economic uplift. Pakistan need aggressive economic leaders who spend day and night working for exceeding the target growth every year.

Pakistan needs a stable and institutional Govt and departments each doing its job

 

[Centurion2016]

NONE OF YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER THE thread starters actual question

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How would Pakistan Airforce handle Indian Airforce in case of a war??

Stick to the topic...........Economy and fifth gen fighters are distant dreams TODAY...

How with 80 thunders & 76 F16 and 250 MIX of F7 & OBSELETE mirages does PAF engage a potential WAR scenario ????????????

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Defensive or offensive
If offensive HOW far deep into india which itself is bigger than EUROPE and has military assets spread widley
What tactics
How to NEGATE SU30MKI threat
Naval air threat
protection of your major cities which are so close to indian borders like Lahore
your only nuclear power station

India has fewer targets to hit and far less travelling time

Pakistan has fewer planes with short legs AND indian military and industrial centres are vast and spread out

 

[Arsalan 345]

NONE OF YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER THE thread starters actual question

ie
How would Pakistan Airforce handle Indian Airforce in case of a war??

Stick to the topic...........Economy and fifth gen fighters are distant dreams TODAY...

How with 80 thunders & 76 F16 and 250 MIX of F7 & OBSELETE mirages does PAF engage a potential WAR scenario ????????????

ie
Defensive or offensive
If offensive HOW far deep into india which itself is bigger than EUROPE and has military assets spread widley
What tactics
How to NEGATE SU30MKI threat
Naval air threat
protection of your major cities which are so close to indian borders like Lahore
your only nuclear power station

India has fewer targets to hit and far less travelling time

Pakistan has fewer planes with short legs AND indian military and industrial centres are vast and spread out

i agree with most of your comment.i think india will use 100 su-30s not all so this isn't a major threat.indian navy is a big threat.there's no denying.i think india will advance and pakistan might use nasr.this war also affect kashmir.paf might attack your kashmir.f-7s obsolete,absolutely true.

 

[El Sidd]

Shoot them down.

No answer can be more correct than that.

I win

 

[The Accountant]

NONE OF YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER THE thread starters actual question

ie
How would Pakistan Airforce handle Indian Airforce in case of a war??

Stick to the topic...........Economy and fifth gen fighters are distant dreams TODAY...

How with 80 thunders & 76 F16 and 250 MIX of F7 & OBSELETE mirages does PAF engage a potential WAR scenario ????????????

ie
Defensive or offensive
If offensive HOW far deep into india which itself is bigger than EUROPE and has military assets spread widley
What tactics
How to NEGATE SU30MKI threat
Naval air threat
protection of your major cities which are so close to indian borders like Lahore
your only nuclear power station

India has fewer targets to hit and far less travelling time

Pakistan has fewer planes with short legs AND indian military and industrial centres are vast and spread out

PAF role will be to protect airspace and get clearance of bases within 200kms of range ...

There is no doubt PAF is in shortage of resources ...

My bet is for taking indian key targets Pakistan is mainly relying on missiles thats the reason Pakistan is working on missile accuracy as Pakistan missiles are not limited to nuclear role ...

For aircrafts my bet is Pakistan is banking on two assets 1 is air refueler and second is awacs ... with awacs Pakistan can see deep into india and can attack at appropriate time and with refuelers issue of short legged will be slightly reduced ...

PAF main job is to air defence and anti access along with air cover to vround troops ....

Pakistan needs to invest heavily in long range and medium range SAM

 

[Blue Marlin]

do note the indian airforce is split up into sectors and pakistan only faces the central and westerns sectors. they need to keep fighters in the east because of china.

so take the total number of indian fighters, look at the serviceability rates for each class of fighter, so you know how many active airframes they have, then take about 60% of that which will account for the total number of airframes in the relevant sectors and the grand total is the number of fighter pakistan will face.

p.s. the longest range bvraam for india (r-77) has an inferior range to the aim-120 and the sd-10

it only the wvraam realm where india will excel and thats more relevant. pl-10 or a-darter anyone?

 

[StraightShooter]

Shoot them down.

No answer can be more correct than that.

I win

The correct answer is "Shoot all of them down"

I am sorry to say that you were close but you did not win.

 

[El Sidd]

The correct answer is "Shoot all of them down"

I am sorry to say that you were close but you did not win.

Lol.
Again going for the legalities and not the spirit.

 

[Mitho1980]

Policy of paf is to deny india air superiority for a week and pray international forces come in play and and stop the war or pray that some pushes the button.......
Paf defencive mind set is the real culprit. Hope we get a new air chief who policy would be best defense is offense and build a airforce which will fight for air suppiorty than for air defense.
And have dedicated aircrafts for fir offensive role rather having aircraft which adha tetar adha batair.