How will Nasr's Neutron warhead neutralize advancing enemy columns...

[Tipu7]

1. Moreover, the role of MLRS systems is to move along with maneuver forces. Should they be used to fire nuclear capable missiles, these systems may not move along with maneuver forces and be kept stationary to prevent nuclear accidents. Thus, they could become easy targets to enemy strikes since a stationary MLRS could be easily located as one carrying nuclear weapons. If these MLRS, which are fitted with nuclear capable missiles, become targets of enemy strikes, the nuclear fall-out would be detrimental for Pakistani troops.

It is not artillery system meant to move with armor for delivering Rocket Silo.
It's WMD meant to be used under specific conditions. And Pakistan will make sure that NASR will stay safe before, during and after its usage.

2. Even though Pakistan is reported to have improved the safety and security of their nuclear weapons, by implementing the ‘two-man rule’ while installing Permissive Action Links (PALS), and ensuring that warheads are demated from their delivery systems during peace time, the threat of such weapons falling into the hands of non-state actors during crisis stituation cannot be eschewed.

We are listening such sort of things from past one & half decade. It was irrelevant back then, it is irrelevant now and it will be irrelevant in future to believe that Pakistan nuclear weapons will fall in hostile hands.

3. In fact, India’s foremost strategic thinker Late Air Commodore Jasjit Singh never drew any distinction between tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. According to him, “any nuclear weapon, of any quality, mode of delivery or yield, used against any type of target, will result in a strategic impact to which the logical response would be the use of nuclear weapons, more often than not, on an overwhelming scale

India is most welcome to believe what ever it likes to believe. If India is afraid of possible nuclear conflict then It must not attack Pakistan in first place. NASR is defensive weapon not offensive one.

4. Therefore, the response to Pakistan’s first-use of nuclear weapons on Indian territory irrespective of whether the weapon used is tactical or strategic should be ‘massive retaliation’ as mentioned in our doctrine. This philosophy is more so crucial since the distinction between TNWs and strategic nuclear weapons is only in technical terms and not in material terms given the short flight times of delivery systems and geographical contiguity of India and Pakistan.

India must be least worried about Nuclear warfare. India is threatening surgical strikes on militant camps from past decade, but never managed to prove its threats by actions.
I strongly doubt India has enough credibility to launch full fledged armored or mechanized assault on Pakistan, or to attempt to destroy nuclear weapons of Pakistan.......
Giving strong strategic nuclear answer against tactical nukes is just absurd & more a "fan boy" fantasy than a practical approach...

 

[Cool_Soldier]

If conflict starts, there will be many option from both sides, Trust me all your and our defensive measures will be useless to stop nuke tipped missiles from various platform.

Nothing will be left here.So, both have to think many time to take a start.


Do not, just think that you can come inside due to heavy thrust of mechanized division and out numbered in soldiers.
Difference is not that much,as in past few years reasonable strength and tech has been advanced in Pakistan Military.

 

[Dazzler]

@randomradio is banned, now he cannot respond.

1. Moreover, the role of MLRS systems is to move along with maneuver forces. Should they be used to fire nuclear capable missiles, these systems may not move along with maneuver forces and be kept stationary to prevent nuclear accidents. Thus, they could become easy targets to enemy strikes since a stationary MLRS could be easily located as one carrying nuclear weapons. If these MLRS, which are fitted with nuclear capable missiles, become targets of enemy strikes, the nuclear fall-out would be detrimental for Pakistani troops.

2. Even though Pakistan is reported to have improved the safety and security of their nuclear weapons, by implementing the ‘two-man rule’ while installing Permissive Action Links (PALS), and ensuring that warheads are demated from their delivery systems during peace time, the threat of such weapons falling into the hands of non-state actors during crisis stituation cannot be eschewed.

3. In fact, India’s foremost strategic thinker Late Air Commodore Jasjit Singh never drew any distinction between tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. According to him, “any nuclear weapon, of any quality, mode of delivery or yield, used against any type of target, will result in a strategic impact to which the logical response would be the use of nuclear weapons, more often than not, on an overwhelming scale.

4. Therefore, the response to Pakistan’s first-use of nuclear weapons on Indian territory irrespective of whether the weapon used is tactical or strategic should be ‘massive retaliation’ as mentioned in our doctrine. This philosophy is more so crucial since the distinction between TNWs and strategic nuclear weapons is only in technical terms and not in material terms given the short flight times of delivery systems and geographical contiguity of India and Pakistan.

It was a general comment that didn't quote anyone including your banned fellow. Your assumptions, that's right , assumptions are too naive, factually incorrect for a response. After iron dome, it came down to MLRS to negotiate with NASR when the poor thing should be used against marching advancing troops. What makes you think that your MLRS will be effective against a shoot and scoot missile ? Can you enforce a parameter for your Dome or MLRSs and ensure its security into enmy territory while PAF's assets maybe busy hunting them down?

The drawbacks of having Bollywood are too many, even the battle scenarios aren't spared !

 

[NKVD]

t came down to MLRS to negotiate with NASR when the poor thing should be used against marching advancing troops.

No I Have Better Options
For Instance use Prahaar Tactical Mobile System Against Nasr .Also Nasr is Limited To Its range 60 km
Prahaar has 2.5 times Range Advantage over I(t.
Marching Forces Will Be Supported By Armored Divisions

Can you enforce a parameter for your Dome or MLRSs and ensure its security into enmy territory while PAF's assets maybe busy hunting them down?

Do you Consider to Analyze It From other Side What Do you think IAF will be Sitting In there Hangers

The drawbacks of having Bollywood are too many, even the battle scenarios aren't spared !

Problem is what Pakistani Planners Always Lacks is Pre War Analysis May it be Launching Pre-Emptive Air-Strikes in 71 or in Kargil war

 

[باپ]

A little bird told me that Nasr will be used within Pakistani territory to punch a hole through Indian advancing brigades, so that Pakistan can go behind them and cut the supply lines,making them ineffective and encircled.
Another little bird told me that Nasr has multiple types of warheads. Apart from Neutron flux, another type of warhead can be used for area Denial by salted cobalt dirty bomb. The heavy radioactive cobalt once dissipated in a certain area behind advancing indian army will block Indian supply lines and effectively cage them. The half-life of cobalt depends on isotope used and range from 10 days to 5 yrars after which the intense radiation will end as radioactive isotope will break apart,and area will be safe again

 

[knight11]

A little bird told me that Nasr will be used within Pakistani territory to punch a hole through Indian advancing brigades, so that Pakistan can go behind them and cut the supply lines,making them ineffective and encircled.
Another little bird told me that Nasr has multiple types of warheads. Apart from Neutron flux, another type of warhead can be used for area Denial by salted cobalt dirty bomb. The heavy radioactive cobalt once dissipated in a certain area behind advancing indian army will block Indian supply lines and effectively cage them. The half-life of cobalt depends on isotope used and range from 10 days to 5 yrars after which the intense radiation will end as radioactive isotope will break apart,and area will be safe again

Pls ask your little bird, does the NASR radioactive radiation detect which is Indian and which is Pakistani, that's why your army would be immune to the ratiation and can move freely in that zone. India have been training and working to fight in NBC environment from 80's. DRDO is producing NBC protection gears, soldier suits (Mark 5), detectors, tents. Have you done any exercise regarding to fight in the NBC environment, purchased, developed, research on the gears, suits, sensors.

Lets assume NASR can stop Indian advance for a second, but if by somehow it can't what would be your Plan B. Ask your bird.

 

[Dazzler]

Pls ask your little bird, does the NASR radioactive radiation detect which is Indian and which is Pakistani, that's why your army would be immune to the ratiation and can move freely in that zone. India have been training and working to fight in NBC environment from 80's. DRDO is producing NBC protection gears, soldier suits (Mark 5), detectors, tents. Have you done any exercise regarding to fight in the NBC environment, purchased, developed, research on the gears, suits, sensors.

Lets assume NASR can stop Indian advance for a second, but if by somehow it can't what would be your Plan B. Ask your bird.

Dont worry, we have it well covered...

http://gids.com.pk/water-purification-plants


http://gids.com.pk/nbc-heads

http://gids.com.pk/nbc-defence-ipe

 

[randomradio]

Some really childish arguments, I mean they believe their strike formations will carry iron dome like defense system inside enemy territory, who will they prefer to protect, their formations or the iron dome? Even the thought of it makes one laugh.

Its evident that Nasr is a quick response shoot and scoot type capability, such systems are by no means easy to detect even for modern radars.

You have a hilarious understanding about army formations. So are you saying armies don't have SAMs within their formations?

 

[Dazzler]

You have a hilarious understanding about army formations. So are you saying armies don't have SAMs within their formations?

Your arguments tickle the lighter side of mine. They are that silly to begin with. Try carrying a SAM or Dome battery the next time your troops think about implementing the cold start and see what happens. In fact, no military planner (SANE one that is), will dare such a stupid thing against a country that has in possession enough strategic assets to turn the table.

You see, numbers count for nothing when push comes to shove. It will be an all out war and it'll be bad for both countries.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

How come these Paks always come up with a solution no matter how much hard the situation is?? Brits are leaving, an undivided India is about to be brought about - Bingo - Pakistan is created!! War is declared, 5x larger Air Force is put into action- Bingo- a guy comes and takes 11 fighters down!!! Nuclear tests are done, Pak is about to be cowed into a BD - Bingo - Pak also explodes her own!!! Missiles are tested so that Pak can be like Hiroshima - Bingo- Pak tests her own missiles!!! So are the same stories with Cold Start, subs, ABM shield, TTP, BLA and the list goes on and on and on..

Would you stop it for a single day???

 

[randomradio]

Your arguments tickle the lighter side of mine. They are that silly to begin with. Try carrying a SAM or Dome battery the next time your troops think about implementing the cold start and see what happens. In fact, no military planner (SANE one that is), will dare such a stupid thing against a country that has in possession enough strategic assets to turn the table.

You see, numbers count for nothing when push comes to shove. It will be an all out war and it'll be bad for both countries.

So you still stick with the argument that the army won't carry SAMs into a battlefield? Do you actually want me to take you seriously after that? Maybe all the SAMs PA use is for decoration, but not the case with the IA.

In fact Akash SAM had initially failed the army's tests because it couldn't accurately hit a target while maneuvering at battle tank speeds. But it performed beyond requirements for the IAF because they didn't want mobility. So what does that tell you? If you can figure out why the army wants their SAMs on tracked vehicles and the air force on wheeled vehicles, you will have your answer.

no military planner (SANE one that is), will dare such a stupid thing against a country that has in possession enough strategic assets to turn the table.

You are naive if you believe the IA won't carry SAMs into a battlefield. Pak has finite number of nukes and no time to make more after a war has started. If SAMs stop most or all the nukes, then you can guess what will happen next.

 

[mete]

Tactical nukes have low yield but high burst of radiation that is aimed at armored columns the radiation is so wast that it penetrated into tanks through even the nano sized openings. However there is still one question that todays tanks are with NBC Suite. Question should be how much pressurized are these tanks to calculate the amount of radiation they can repel. If radiation is of high dose it can still penetrate the openings and kill people leaving tank unharmed only crew dead which means these tanks can be somehow reusable. but war will be over there.
Explained in easy english.

I do not know if the weapon is succefully done, if produce enough high energy neutrons or even exist because I did not understand the video because of language. (Most of it tells the technical basics, thats for sure.)

I want to add one thing for sure. There is no one type of radiation.

Considering the radiation as ionising radiation we have a few types.

First one is ionising electromagnetic radiation. That is the radiation more energetic than violet light. Most of UV band, X rays, Gamma rays and extremly eergetic cosmic gamma rays are at this scale. We can shield ourselves with a solid and protect ourselves. Ordinary glass is enough for UV, lead is effective for more energetic rays.

Ionising particle radiation is another problem. Beta and alpha radiation is not so serious if the material radiates outside your body. But they are very dangerous inside your body. (Looking at 100 microgram of pollonium 210 is not a problem but if you inject it your body I advise you to shoot yourself at the head in 48 hours. At least thats a better death.)

There are more types I can write but to keep things simple; tanks are protected against those and even that protection is just realtive protection. (Do not trust that protection anytime, at least I wouldn't)

Neutrons are totally a diffirent story. They reaaly do not interract with matter as much as particles like protons or photons do. It is hard to stop them. Generally materials include hidrojen and carbon used to shield them but you will need a really thick layer of water with organic matter dissolved in it. (like humic acids because they include a lot of H and C and easy to find and produce) I am talking about meters in every dimention for an effective shield. To do that you will need a very very big aquarium with wheels that will carry the tank. When you want to fire, you will need to extract the tank from aquarium. Not practical I think.

Radiation shields stop a definite amount of radiation. For example if your shield stops %90 of 2 MeV gamma rays and if there is enough gamma rays to kill you with %10 then your shield will not make a diffirence. If total photon flux is the same and shield is effective at that flux it is ok.(When %10 do not do short term harm) But with the same flux if there is 10 MeV gamma rays then you are done because your shield will stop less photons now and gamma rays will pass the shield like there is no shield.

With neutrons last scenario happens. A shield ptotecting you from electromagnetic radiation, alpha, beta and protecting you from radioactive material by blocking it so it do not get inside you have radiation shield for alpha, beta, EM radiation and nuclear fallout. If there is no much neutron radiation around it is ok for short term. At least you can fight for a time. If there is enough neutrons to penetrate, then you are done. Because there is no way to effectivly protect an armoured vehicle from high flux high energy neutrons without using a ship size aquarium. (And some koi fish if you use japanese tanks. )

 

[jamal18]

How primitive mus a society be to see this abomination as anything positive.

Get rid of nuclear weapons. Its plain and simple pathetic.

The Indians wanted a nuclear free world, and would not have adopted nukes if the western world had accepted.

It's the western world that is responsible for nukes in the world.

 

[Dazzler]

So you still stick with the argument that the army won't carry SAMs into a battlefield? Do you actually want me to take you seriously after that? Maybe all the SAMs PA use is for decoration, but not the case with the IA.

In fact Akash SAM had initially failed the army's tests because it couldn't accurately hit a target while maneuvering at battle tank speeds. But it performed beyond requirements for the IAF because they didn't want mobility. So what does that tell you? If you can figure out why the army wants their SAMs on tracked vehicles and the air force on wheeled vehicles, you will have your answer.



You are naive if you believe the IA won't carry SAMs into a battlefield. Pak has finite number of nukes and no time to make more after a war has started. If SAMs stop most or all the nukes, then you can guess what will happen next.

More silly rhetoric..

Does India have infinite number of nukes?

Try installing your SAM without air superiority or avoiding ground threats, inside the enemy territory. Do u even know what word "threat perception" stands for? If so, which I doubt, can you calculate the amount and levels of threat your invading army and SAM units will face?

* PAF fighters backed with AWACS and comm jammers, radar and deception jammers
*SAM and MLRS units
* gunships
* guided ballistic and cruise missiles, especially Abdali and ghaznavi, Nasr etc
* strike corps, armour, infantry, atgm units.

And this is the tip of the iceberg.

 

[randomradio]

More silly rhetoric..

Does India have infinite number of nukes?

Try installing your SAM without air superiority or avoiding ground threats, inside the enemy territory. Do u even know what word "threat perception" stands for? If so, which I doubt, can you calculate the amount and levels of threat your invading army and SAM units will face?

* PAF fighters backed with AWACS and comm jammers, radar and deception jammers
*SAM and MLRS units
* gunships
* guided ballistic and cruise missiles, especially Abdali and ghaznavi, Nasr etc
* strike corps, armour, infantry, atgm units.

And this is the tip of the iceberg.

You speak as though your military is bigger than the USAF.

You don't install SAMs. You have no clue what SAMs are do you?

And you don't know much about Cold Start either. Or you wouldn't be making so many clueless statements at once.