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What Happen Lost Technical argument.There No TEL Mobile system in the World Which Works Under Signal Free Environment.
there always CCS(Command & Control System )Which Compiles Signals From various Sources in war
How Do you think TEL system Locate Threat


Will your missiles target our cell phones too? Because they too transmit. Please please kill my friend's new iPhone 6s+. He is showing off way too much....:pop:
 
What Happen Lost Technical argument.There No TEL Mobile system in the World Which Works Under Signal Free Environment.
there always CCS(Command & Control System )Which Compiles Signals From various Sources in war
How Do you think TEL system Locate Threat

Couldn't they potentially have a silent mode and fire somewhat more blindly using INS only? I mean how expensive would it be to rig up a series of electro-optical and/or thermal transceivers around the border areas?

BTW I have (somewhat) debunked the Nasr threat in some other threads through a completely different approach being used in the last few pages or so.
 
Couldn't they potentially have a silent mode and fire somewhat more blindly using INS only? I mean how expensive would it be to rig up a series of electro-optical and/or thermal transceivers around the border areas?

BTW I have (somewhat) debunked the Nasr threat in some other threads through a completely different approach being used in the last few pages or so.
But they Still Need Signal Gathering CCS Mobile System For Target Acquisition How Do you think they Locate Moving Target Lets An armored Columns Moving Constantly .Its Need a Accurate Surveillance to Target a Moving Target Such as Mobile Forces
Its Not Any Still Target Lie any Building or City
 
But they Still Need Signal Gathering CCS Mobile System For Target Acquisition How Do you think they Locate Moving Target Lets An armored Columns Moving Constantly .Its Need a Accurate Surveillance to Target a Moving Target Such as Mobile Forces
Its Not Any Still Target Lie any Building or City

Good point. Also Indian army can pre-simulate such a system I guess anyway and come up with an appropriate doctrine for it.

But what if the CCS is used in receive mode only and relies on information gathering from multiple external transmitters? Wouldn't the CCS system effectively be mostly EM silent (past its processing) and only the transmitters (hooked up to the sensors I was describing earlier) make actual target-able noise? Can EM from the processing be picked up? Or am I missing something else here?

BTW do you have a good resource/example I can read on the sensitivity of current anti-radiation missiles+systems to EM spectrum amplitudes?
 
Has it got any guidance system like BABUR ? ...... or is it only a volley rocket ?

Also, the distance is 60km; what is the speed with which the rocket will travel after being fired?

Its the most accurate missile as per the available information. Pakistan already has 180KM MBRL rockets. This missile is specially designed in terms to accuracy, warhead, speed, maneuverability and its movability.
I suggest you to see the videos available at internet then you can easily get all your answers.

But they Still Need Signal Gathering CCS Mobile System For Target Acquisition How Do you think they Locate Moving Target Lets An armored Columns Moving Constantly .Its Need a Accurate Surveillance to Target a Moving Target Such as Mobile Forces
Its Not Any Still Target Lie any Building or City

There are multiple ways to do so. first of all this system is gonna be used near or inside Pakistani border. Pakistani awacs can track any movement upto +400KM range in air/ground/sea .

we have UAVs as well which can fly atleast 10 hours in one go and can go upto 200km away from the controlelrs.

on top of that Chinese Satellites may be available to us but its not official confirmation.

tanks are not always on move. even if they move, movement speed is maximumly 70km/hour speed in smooth terrain. in case of any attack on Punjab or Azad Kashmir border this speed will be much slower due to formation movement and tactical planning.

so this is not a much valid point. for sure the planners has studied each and every aspect as we know much less than them.
 
Its the most accurate missile as per the available information. Pakistan already has 180KM MBRL rockets. This missile is specially designed in terms to accuracy, warhead, speed, maneuverability and its movability.
I suggest you to see the videos available at internet then you can easily get all your answers.



There are multiple ways to do so. first of all this system is gonna be used near or inside Pakistani border. Pakistani awacs can track any movement upto +400KM range in air/ground/sea .

we have UAVs as well which can fly atleast 10 hours in one go and can go upto 200km away from the controlelrs.

on top of that Chinese Satellites may be available to us but its not official confirmation.

tanks are not always on move. even if they move, movement speed is maximumly 70km/hour speed in smooth terrain. in case of any attack on Punjab or *** border this speed will be much slower due to formation movement and tactical planning.

so this is not a much valid point. for sure the planners has studied each and every aspect as we know much less than them.
Did You Ever Considered What your Enemy Has ??Your Enemy Is India Which Has 3-4 Times of Large Logistics & Resources It can Put than yours .War Analysis is Not Done what you have But What your enemy has

In Kargil NLI Soldiers Never Haven't thought That they have to Face Deadly 155 MM Bofor's without any Support. Which Made there Life Miserable.If Any Pakistani General Might have Done Effective Pre-war Analysis the result might have different

Its the most accurate missile as per the available information. Pakistan already has 180KM MBRL rockets.
:o::o: which One is that ??
 
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A rocket is faster and smaller than a plane, thus requires a better missile defense system, and when it comes to maneuverable small projectiles like Nasr, it's even more difficult. That's a fact.

It's not a fact. Speed is not a major factor when SAMs are as fast or faster. RCS matters more, not size of the missile.

Nasr won't have a speed greater than mach 2, and it flies straight.

Not necessarily, these missiles can maneuver and hit their target. Again, simplifying capabilities of others, boy you really don't learn, do you?.

Only cruise missiles do that. You need to learn about ballistic trajectory. The maneuverability of the Nasr is extremely limited, practically non-existent if compared to a fighter.

Any renowned scientist who says Nasr can't maneuver?, I have one saying it can, but then again you won't believe it, would you?.

If you knew physics, you wouldn't be making such stupid posts.

Ever heard of Russo-Georgian war, and what happened to SPYDER?.

You had posted about the war when you were talking about SPYDER, so what was the point?

Which one does India possess?.

Phase 1 BMD.

:D. Boy have I heard that one before.

Parrikar has also said it.

That statement was in comparison to how you boastfully said

Point was Prahar and Nasr are simply very similar. They are simple ballistic missiles regardless of its payload.

Basically, Prahar is also a nuclear tipped missile. Your leaders are simply tricking you into a false sense of security. You forget that apart from escalation, Prahar can also be used in exactly the same situation on a more vulnerable defensive corps belonging to the PA.

If you have studied even the basics of Cold Start scenario, it says India will use 8 IBGs, and out of those 5 IBGs will attack Pak with the other 3 in reserve. And this is only until the 3 massive strike corps are ready to start their attack.

Basically, this is what Pak believes, or wants its people to believe. The 5 IBGs will attack. Each IBG will have about 5000 men, so it's not much. They can be stopped with Nasr. Of course, because of Nasr, the Indian troops will either fall back or stop their advance. War will end due to international political pressure, so the 3 strike corps will be rendered useless.

But this is what is most likely to happen. IBGs attack. Pak uses Nasr. IBGs have either been stopped, destroyed, or the attacks were ineffective. Due to the nuclear attack, India responds with a strategic strike on all crucial military targets. IBGs with Prahar will retaliate on PA that's on the defensive. Any offensive units of the PA will also be attacked with nukes to stop them. Now, Pak has the choice of escalation by trying to bring in Indian civilian targets. The difference here is Indian cities will be heavily protected by BMD, Pak cities won't.

And the Indian military is so big that it is obvious the most important priority as targets will be military formations. So the biggest Indian cities will most likely be relatively untouched. Successfully dropping one or two nukes on Mumbai won't hurt it.

The aftermath of the war is far more gruesome. Pak will be seen as the aggressor for using WMDs first. Most of the dams and electricity generation capacity, including the electricity grid would be destroyed. Without electricity, most of Pak economy would have gone back to the pre-industrialization era. Not to forget India is a stakeholder in the West's strategy against China, so the West won't allow India's economy to falter. Huge amounts of foreign aid will flow towards India at the expense of Pak.

China won't come to your rescue, that's guaranteed.

And this is not even the worst case scenario for Pak.
 
It's not a fact. Speed is not a major factor when SAMs are as fast or faster. RCS matters more, not size of the missile.

Nasr won't have a speed greater than mach 2, and it flies straight.



Only cruise missiles do that. You need to learn about ballistic trajectory. The maneuverability of the Nasr is extremely limited, practically non-existent if compared to a fighter.



If you knew physics, you wouldn't be making such stupid posts.



You had posted about the war when you were talking about SPYDER, so what was the point?



Phase 1 BMD.



Parrikar has also said it.



Point was Prahar and Nasr are simply very similar. They are simple ballistic missiles regardless of its payload.

Basically, Prahar is also a nuclear tipped missile. Your leaders are simply tricking you into a false sense of security. You forget that apart from escalation, Prahar can also be used in exactly the same situation on a more vulnerable defensive corps belonging to the PA.

If you have studied even the basics of Cold Start scenario, it says India will use 8 IBGs, and out of those 5 IBGs will attack Pak with the other 3 in reserve. And this is only until the 3 massive strike corps are ready to start their attack.

Basically, this is what Pak believes, or wants its people to believe. The 5 IBGs will attack. Each IBG will have about 5000 men, so it's not much. They can be stopped with Nasr. Of course, because of Nasr, the Indian troops will either fall back or stop their advance. War will end due to international political pressure, so the 3 strike corps will be rendered useless.

But this is what is most likely to happen. IBGs attack. Pak uses Nasr. IBGs have either been stopped, destroyed, or the attacks were ineffective. Due to the nuclear attack, India responds with a strategic strike on all crucial military targets. IBGs with Prahar will retaliate on PA that's on the defensive. Any offensive units of the PA will also be attacked with nukes to stop them. Now, Pak has the choice of escalation by trying to bring in Indian civilian targets. The difference here is Indian cities will be heavily protected by BMD, Pak cities won't.

And the Indian military is so big that it is obvious the most important priority as targets will be military formations. So the biggest Indian cities will most likely be relatively untouched. Successfully dropping one or two nukes on Mumbai won't hurt it.

The aftermath of the war is far more gruesome. Pak will be seen as the aggressor for using WMDs first. Most of the dams and electricity generation capacity, including the electricity grid would be destroyed. Without electricity, most of Pak economy would have gone back to the pre-industrialization era. Not to forget India is a stakeholder in the West's strategy against China, so the West won't allow India's economy to falter. Huge amounts of foreign aid will flow towards India at the expense of Pak.

China won't come to your rescue, that's guaranteed.

And this is not even the worst case scenario for Pak.


If all what you say above is true then why didn't india attack Pakistan for mumbai 26/11/2008?
 
You had posted about the war when you were talking about SPYDER, so what was the point?
Do you know what happened to SPYDER in the war?.
Prahar and Nasr are simply very similar
Wrong, Prahar and A-100 can be labelled similar, Nasr is more maneuverable than both.
cruise missiles
Can't SAMs do that?, or Air to air missiles?, Sweden coupled the Small diameter bomb, with their Bofors Rocket artillery built something which can strike surface targets, from land with brutal precision.
stupid posts
Educate yourself, http://www.army-technology.com/projects/small-diameter-bomb-glsdb/.
Parrikar has also said it.
Sure, he must be your supreme leader, couldn't even buy 36 jets..... Leave future for the future.
Your leaders are simply tricking you into a false sense of security. You forget that apart from escalation, Prahar can also be used in exactly the same situation on a more vulnerable defensive corps belonging to the PA.

If you have studied even the basics of Cold Start scenario, it says India will use 8 IBGs, and out of those 5 IBGs will attack Pak with the other 3 in reserve. And this is only until the 3 massive strike corps are ready to start their attack.

Basically, this is what Pak believes, or wants its people to believe. The 5 IBGs will attack. Each IBG will have about 5000 men, so it's not much. They can be stopped with Nasr. Of course, because of Nasr, the Indian troops will either fall back or stop their advance. War will end due to international political pressure, so the 3 strike corps will be rendered useless.

But this is what is most likely to happen. IBGs attack. Pak uses Nasr. IBGs have either been stopped, destroyed, or the attacks were ineffective. Due to the nuclear attack, India responds with a strategic strike on all crucial military targets. IBGs with Prahar will retaliate on PA that's on the defensive. Any offensive units of the PA will also be attacked with nukes to stop them. Now, Pak has the choice of escalation by trying to bring in Indian civilian targets. The difference here is Indian cities will be heavily protected by BMD, Pak cities won't.

And the Indian military is so big that it is obvious the most important priority as targets will be military formations. So the biggest Indian cities will most likely be relatively untouched. Successfully dropping one or two nukes on Mumbai won't hurt it.

The aftermath of the war is far more gruesome. Pak will be seen as the aggressor for using WMDs first. Most of the dams and electricity generation capacity, including the electricity grid would be destroyed. Without electricity, most of Pak economy would have gone back to the pre-industrialization era. Not to forget India is a stakeholder in the West's strategy against China, so the West won't allow India's economy to falter. Huge amounts of foreign aid will flow towards India at the expense of Pak.

China won't come to your rescue, that's guaranteed.

And this is not even the worst case scenario for Pak
I'll let you read your nationalistic rant again, just to show how stupid you sound, mighty fine keyboard warrior you are.
 
If all what you say above is true then why didn't india attack Pakistan for mumbai 26/11/2008?

The only country that can win a war is one that has conventional superiority.

It doesn't matter if you use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Ultimately you need soldiers on the ground that can take and hold areas. WMDs are nothing new, they have been in use in wars since WW1.

There were a few reasons why attacking Pakistan wasn't a good idea at the time. For one, the IA wasn't ready with a new doctrine. We don't know if it is Cold Start or something entirely different, regardless something new is happening, we just don't know much about it. Like the latest exercises that happened last week, Shatrujeet 2016...

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...a lot of these exercises are being conducted not to fight Pakistan but to completely and utterly defeat Pakistan in a conventional battle. It's even more comprehensive than the doctrine made in the 1980s to cut Pak into two using an armoured thrust.

In 2008, India didn't have an army capable of defeating Pak in a few days, nor did our cities have BMD to minimize damage. And at the same time, Pak was embroiled in the WoT with the Taliban. It didn't make sense to attack Pak, instead it was easier to arm and fund Taliban. And I'm sure you already know how much money you have already spent on that, along with the casualties. It would be foolish for India to have stopped that. Today, India can use the fissure caused between TTP and PA to its advantage. Proxy wars are easier to fight.

The American adventures in Afghan and Iraq were also eye openers to any kind of misadventure where we will get caught up in a situation where we have to face guerrilla warfare.

IA also lacked equipment and still lacks some equipment for this new way of war, namely SAMs, attack helicopters, depletion of war reserves, lack of officer manpower etc, all of which are still in the process of being fixed.

http://www.forceindia.net/TransformationJanuary2012.aspx
According to the IA, it no longer thinks in terms of threats from Pakistan and China, but has chiselled a larger role for itself under the rubric of transformation. It is transforming from a threat-based to a capability-based force to meet challenges of the entire spectrum of war below the nuclear threshold. From conventional to sub-conventional war (terrorism), capabilities to secure island territories, out-of-area (intervention) capabilities to protect India’s interests and provide assistance to friendly neighbours, including humanitarian help and disaster relief, and participation in UN operations. The driver for the transformational thinking is not the government, but IA’s own assessment that it needs to absorb the technology revolution underway in the world, and given India’s rising economy, it should possess capabilities to meet the nation’s strategic reach aspirations.

To put it in a nutshell, even today IA is barely ready for war. And while the Vajpayee govt woke up to that shocker in 2002, it is the Modi govt which started the massive rearmament of the forces, demonstrated by the show of power at the border two years ago. There's a massive plan underway for manufacturing ballistic missiles, that's mainly directed at China, but even then, there's a whole new plan out there. Until it's complete, you can be assured there won't be any war regardless of the scale of the terrorist threat from Pak.

Do you know what happened to SPYDER in the war?.

Nothing happened.

Wrong, Prahar and A-100 can be labelled similar, Nasr is more maneuverable than both.

Give proof.

Can't SAMs do that?, or Air to air missiles?, Sweden coupled the Small diameter bomb, with their Bofors Rocket artillery built something which can strike surface targets, from land with brutal precision.

Precision is entirely different from maneuverability.

I'll let you read your nationalistic rant again, just to show how stupid you sound, mighty fine keyboard warrior you are.

Good, so you are saying you are unable to counter it.
 
Nothing happened
You should read more then.
Give proof
From a qualified person: Mansoor Ahmed, of Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies : "Its in-flight maneuverability is being improved to defeat potential Indian missil
e defenses against artillery rockets and short-range ballistic missiles, such as the Israeli Iron Dome system.

Precision is entirely different from maneuverability
Did you bother reading the article?
Design and features of GLSDB
The GLSDB offers high-lethality, increased range and high-maneuverability. It has the ability to defeat soft and hard skin threats, targets behind the launcher, as well as hard-to-reach targets.

The GLSDB has a length of 154in, diameter of 9.5in and weighs approximately 600lb. It has terrain avoidance, cave breaching and reverse slope engagement capabilities.

The bomb can be launched from hidden or protected rocket-launching sites to avoid detection by the enemy forces, engage targets in 360° and is accurate to strike targets within 1m.

The 285lb small diameter bomb is 71in-long, 7.75in-high and 7.5in-wide, and has a wing span of 63.3in when open and 7.5in when packed. It is fitted with two foldable wings and four tail fins.

Educate yourself.




so you are saying you are unable to counter it
Nah, just letting it be, to show how stupid you sound. Read what you write, at least twice before you post. Matbe you won't be the clown of the thread.

instead it was easier to arm and fund Taliban
Ah, so are you proud of killing 140 children?
 
You should read more then.

From a qualified person: Mansoor Ahmed, of Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies : "Its in-flight maneuverability is being improved to defeat potential Indian missil
e defenses against artillery rockets and short-range ballistic missiles, such as the Israeli Iron Dome system.

It's a claim. And the Israelis will claim a missile like Nasr will easily be stopped.

The fact is only speed works properly against BMD. That's why when they talk about BMD they talk about speed of the target. Nasr is at best a mach 2 missile. Second would be EW, and a small missile like Nasr would be less capable against IA's EW systems. So in both categories Nasr is disadvantaged.

A missile like Barak can engage cruise missiles that demonstrate extremely high maneuverability, Nasr doesn't maneuver even remotely close to that a cruise missile does.

So the only way to beat a BMD system is to saturate it. You can bet Mr. Mansoon Ahmed has no clue about BMD systems first hand or second hand since Pak doesn't have any.

Did you bother reading the article?
Design and features of GLSDB
The GLSDB offers high-lethality, increased range and high-maneuverability. It has the ability to defeat soft and hard skin threats, targets behind the launcher, as well as hard-to-reach targets.

The GLSDB has a length of 154in, diameter of 9.5in and weighs approximately 600lb. It has terrain avoidance, cave breaching and reverse slope engagement capabilities.

The bomb can be launched from hidden or protected rocket-launching sites to avoid detection by the enemy forces, engage targets in 360° and is accurate to strike targets within 1m.

The 285lb small diameter bomb is 71in-long, 7.75in-high and 7.5in-wide, and has a wing span of 63.3in when open and 7.5in when packed. It is fitted with two foldable wings and four tail fins.

Educate yourself.

It's irrelevant. Nasr is basically propaganda. Bigger armies have used and scrapped better ideas in the past. You speak as though physics works differently in your country.

Nah, just letting it be, to show how stupid you sound. Read what you write, at least twice before you post. Matbe you won't be the clown of the thread.

This argument only belongs to those who are not educated enough in these matters. The very fact that we can completely destroy your electricity gird and throw you back into the middle ages is enough of a wake up call.

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It is entirely vulnerable. The follow on destruction of Mangla and Tarbela will destroy your agriculture for many years.

Ah, so are you proud of killing 140 children?

That's your responsibility, not ours. The snake you tamed has decided to bite back.

Btw, we are talking about nuclear warfare, so you are in effect talking about killing not just school students of ages 15 and above, you are talking about killing babies, primarily your own.
 
Sirji , Nasr Is Tactical Nuclear weapon Its Vulnerable to Ani-radiation Seeking Stand-off Due it High radiation Emission Signature More than Radars
No Point of Decoy

There Dedicated SIGINT Satellite's to Detect Nuclear radiations Do you heard of US MASINT

There various Element of Intelligence Involved In such ops Ground Recon or Air Recon

Mass deployment Nasr Will always be Limited Any Major Movement In ground Will be Pick up By Satellites.
In war the Element of Surprise Advantage is Always Favors One Who Attacks.

The NASR missile cannot be detected before launch. and after launch the reaction time is very less to either change the direction of attack of the Indian armoured force or intercept the NASR missile through any countermeasures like ARM or ABM.

There wont be any major movement on ground. i have explained already about transportation and deployment.

I'm talking about Iron Dome within IA strike formations, not on the border. If you want to destroy a IBG, you will have to defeat the Iron Dome first.

And the Iron Dome itself has changed a lot since before.
India will not deploy Iron dome with in its strike formations and even if it does, i have explained the limitations of Iron dome already. Iron dome is useless in this scenario Vs NASR
 
Some really childish arguments, I mean they believe their strike formations will carry iron dome like defense system inside enemy territory, who will they prefer to protect, their formations or the iron dome? Even the thought of it makes one laugh.

Its evident that Nasr is a quick response shoot and scoot type capability, such systems are by no means easy to detect even for modern radars.
 
Some really childish arguments, I mean they believe their strike formations will carry iron dome like defense system inside enemy territory, who will they prefer to protect, their formations or the iron dome? Even the thought of it makes one laugh.

Its evident that Nasr is a quick response shoot and scoot type capability, such systems are by no means easy to detect even for modern radars.

@randomradio is banned, now he cannot respond.

1. Moreover, the role of MLRS systems is to move along with maneuver forces. Should they be used to fire nuclear capable missiles, these systems may not move along with maneuver forces and be kept stationary to prevent nuclear accidents. Thus, they could become easy targets to enemy strikes since a stationary MLRS could be easily located as one carrying nuclear weapons. If these MLRS, which are fitted with nuclear capable missiles, become targets of enemy strikes, the nuclear fall-out would be detrimental for Pakistani troops.

2. Even though Pakistan is reported to have improved the safety and security of their nuclear weapons, by implementing the ‘two-man rule’ while installing Permissive Action Links (PALS), and ensuring that warheads are demated from their delivery systems during peace time, the threat of such weapons falling into the hands of non-state actors during crisis stituation cannot be eschewed.

3. In fact, India’s foremost strategic thinker Late Air Commodore Jasjit Singh never drew any distinction between tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. According to him, “any nuclear weapon, of any quality, mode of delivery or yield, used against any type of target, will result in a strategic impact to which the logical response would be the use of nuclear weapons, more often than not, on an overwhelming scale.

4. Therefore, the response to Pakistan’s first-use of nuclear weapons on Indian territory irrespective of whether the weapon used is tactical or strategic should be ‘massive retaliation’ as mentioned in our doctrine. This philosophy is more so crucial since the distinction between TNWs and strategic nuclear weapons is only in technical terms and not in material terms given the short flight times of delivery systems and geographical contiguity of India and Pakistan.
 

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