How to tackle Pakistan's growing security challenges

[53fd]

The situation in South Asia has long gone beyond the scope of something that can be handled by ISI or for that matter any spy agency. Either the leaders in India and Pakistan will decide to co exist peacefully, which means, Pakistan backing off the Kashmir issue and India granting a never before heard anatomy to J&K, or this war of attrition will go on for ever.. Or atleast till one of the 2 countries splinters and ceases to exist as it does today.

At this time, Pakistan seems to be bearing the brunt of this attrition war but you never know when things turn on their head.

So in short, the solution is not the performance of ISI or RAW or CIA, but the political will of the leaders of India and Pakistan to break out of this spiral of mutual animosity..

I think Kashmir will take the backseat, & Iran, Afghanistan & Balochistan will take the front seat.

 

[karan.1970]

I think Kashmir will take the backseat, & Iran, Afghanistan & Balochistan will take the front seat.

But Kashmir is the core.. India's posture in Afghanistan, and alleged role in Balochistan is a simple derivative of Pakistan's stance in Kashmir..

 

[hassan zohaib]

dude,perhaps the main problem is propaganda and lack of access to the information. if this problem is solved we can hope that everything is gonna be ok. think about it.

 

[53fd]

But Kashmir is the core.. India's posture in Afghanistan, and alleged role in Balochistan is a simple derivative of Pakistan's stance in Kashmir..

Actually, I don't think India means bad in Afghanistan. Or it is even that "threatening". However, the US is currently in a dangerous mood especially in this region, & very unpredictable as well.

 

[Cheetah786]

But Kashmir is the core.. India's posture in Afghanistan, and alleged role in Baluchistan is a simple derivative of Pakistan's stance in Kashmir..

AS Much As most would love to believe That Raw is capable of all you are saying i hate to burst your bubble they are not.

Pakistan security problem is from with in and our so called allies they are more of a problem then India will ever b.

Simply put it Gulf countries are heavily involved in Financing Taliban's plus Baluchistan in order to please them I S I isn't doing its job(Sectarian outfits & their leaders get acquitted from the courts, roam around freely on the streets, giving speeches & not being accountable to law)i cant make it any more simple then this.

 

[Paan Singh]

U.S is the main problem of pakistan not india.After 2014,U.S will leave 20k troops here for training.
so western border of pakistan is not going to be silent in coming years.

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

I would like the sensible members on this forum to discuss what they think of the performance of the ISI, & what it can do to counter the rising security challenges the country faces.

The question is for indian members or pakistani members, because no pakistani member will ever question the role of ISI.

I think ISI is quite sucessful in dealing with TTP but is failing miserably to handle situation is balochistan.

 

[53fd]

The question is for indian members or pakistani members, because no pakistani member will ever question the role of ISI.

I think ISI is quite sucessful in dealing with TTP but is failing miserably to handle situation is balochistan.

There are many people that question the role of the ISI, & I have questioned how effectively they've performed their duties in this thread. While Pakistan has successfully dealt with the TTP on Pakistani soil, it has not addressed the TTP getting safe havens in Afghanistan, & the threat infiltrating from there into Pakistan, from a myriad of groups (TTP & Al-Qaeda).

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

There are many people that question the role of the ISI, & I have questioned how effectively they've performed their duties in this thread. While Pakistan has successfully dealt with the TTP on Pakistani soil, it has not addressed the TTP getting safe havens in Afghanistan, & the threat infiltrating from there into Pakistan, from a myriad of groups (TTP & Al-Qaeda).

Actually, I wanted to say your exact sentence, no pakistani member will say that ISI has failed to effectively curb terrorism in pakistan though we see every week blasts in remote areas of pakistan.

@topic: Many members here claim that ISI has age old relations with stakeholders in afghanistan, it should be easy job to infiltrate afghanistan and abolishing camps of TTP inside afghan land. May be american presence in afghanistan is hindering free ISI activities.

 

[Kaniska]

@bilahaider....Your attempt to address the issue is should be appreciated.....India's role in afganistan will be economical in future....the reason of India role in afganistan in not entirely pakistan as it is projected in pakistan media...It i smuch more than that.
India needs Central Asia mineral resources to do bussiness...And as PAK is not opening its territory for India to access CA..
So india finds an alternative way out to rope in Iran and AF for this purpose....

So on topic...anti sessionist movemnet can not be handled by Army alone...It needs political intervention in a significant way...

 

[53fd]

Actually, I wanted to say your exact sentence, no pakistani member will say that ISI has failed to effectively curb terrorism in pakistan though we see every week blasts in remote areas of pakistan.

What you are saying about the frequency of attacks, & the number of people killed is correct; it is important to know that a lot more terrorists have been killed or arrested as well, terrorism violence has decreased, & a lot more attacks have been thwarted. So I would say that the ISI is doing an ok/average job in light of the numerous challenges they face, but maybe they can do even better.

 

[karan.1970]

AS Much As most would love to believe That Raw is capable of all you are saying i hate to burst your bubble they are not.

Pakistan security problem is from with in and our so called allies they are more of a problem then India will ever b.

Simply put it Gulf countries are heavily involved in Financing Taliban's plus Baluchistan in order to please them I S I isn't doing its job(Sectarian outfits & their leaders get acquitted from the courts, roam around freely on the streets, giving speeches & not being accountable to law)i cant make it any more simple then this.

That is also a factor of Pakistani establishment trying to play favorites between the terrorists it is fighting against (TTP BLA etc) and terrorists it thinks are only targeting India and USA (AT, LeT etc).. Its like deciding which snakes in your backyard are going to bite you and which ones will bite your neighbors. Unfortunately you may make that distinction, but the snakes may not.. Hence as I said before, it is not a tactical issue of ISI or Pakistani sec forces not being able to counter these terrorists, but a question of deciding on right policies on whether to tolerate extremist mentality as a whole or not. So far, Pakistani establishment has not decided on that front and hence the seeming lack of effectiveness of ISI and others in stemming the scourge of terrorism in Pakistan

 

[BATMAN]

Either one of two options:

1- Surgical strike on Norther Alliance Palaces and their ammunition dumps.

2- Seal borders with Afghanistan, at least vehicles or cargo movement shall be restricted to absolute zero.


With solution 1 the NA sympathizers in Pakistan will make trouble and it ought to trigger diplomatic row with Iran.... so I guess solution 2 is more suitable in given circumstances.

Borders can be re-open when all TTP leaders being handed over to Pakistan by the coalition forces.

 

[karan.1970]

Either one of two options:

1- Surgical strike on Norther Alliance Palaces and their ammunition dumps.

2- Seal borders with Afghanistan, at least vehicles or cargo movement shall be restricted to absolute zero.


With solution 1 the NA sympathizers in Pakistan will make trouble and it ought to trigger diplomatic row with Iran.... so I guess solution 2 is more suitable in given circumstances.

Borders can be re-open when all TTP leaders being handed over to Pakistan by the coalition forces.

Neither of the 2 options are practical or within Pakistan's capabilities to implement

 

[BATMAN]

Neither of the 2 options are practical or within Pakistan's capabilities to implement

Please explain why other than the reasons i gave?

We already have already scaled down the cargo to Afghanistan.

I know there is pressure to ship more oil to Afghanistan but situation is still in Pakistan's control and can be reversed any time.