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How to increase the quality of football in South Asia?

One of my Brazilian friend said to me a year ago that in Brazil there are talk about Brazilians should coach India to play Football and Indians Should teach how to play cricket for Brazilians.. he said there're lots of people in Brazil likes Cricket
 
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What do you guys think can be done to improve the performance of our football players?

I mean we have around 1.5 billion people in this area of the world, yet we dont have a single team participating in one of the most awaited events this year, and this is probably not going to change for the next years or even decades.

I think that we could start improving matters in India by finding more sponsors for our football federation. Companies like Tata, Reliance etc could use this to improve their PR.
Sure most people still hang to Cricket, but there is a significant number of football enthusiasts as well and the number of potential fans is surely impressive.

And hiring better trainers and their teams is certainly another crucial step.

India/Pakistan play any games regularly will become popular
 
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Yes, football is picking up rapidly in India. And I agree that corporate sponsors are the best hope for Indian football. I hope that they will see the enormous potential in it



We have 1.2 billion people of dozens of ethnic groups, we surely have the resources to put together a team of 20-30 players.
Besides, football and rugby are very different in terms of body contact and have you ever seen Korean, Japanese or other teams of smaller and lighter people?

You dont need to have a team of rambos to qualify for the World Cup ;)

I am restricting myself to Indians , Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. The fact remains that they are hopeless in football and other contact team sports for the reasons I gave earlier
 
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Lets talk realistically. The first question is "HOW MAY OF US ARE REALLY IN TO FOOTBALL"
I think not even 5% of Indians are interested in football. So how to make people interested in FOOTBAL.

Possible steps in my opinion:
1. Initiation from government aggressively. By building more stadiums for football, more training centers, hire foreign coaches and give them some talented young children for training.
2. Once our national team performs very good consistently and catches media attention for some achievements.

Take badminton for example. Saina Nehwal achieved consistently for 2-3 years and today in Hyderabad in every street I see young girls even children playing badminton taking her as inspiration. Even parents especially MOMs who never used to support children playing are encouraging them to play badminton (Though badminton was played previously but viewership, media attention and people interested in it. Children and students signing up for badminton training increased dramatically.

3. Initiate leagues and hope corporate sector make people interest in football in domestic level using media.


Step 1 is never possible. We do not have money like Arab or European countries or the enough number of people willing to watch local matches either in stadiums or in TV.
Step 2 is never possible without Step 1.
So only possible solution is to initiate league which is already done and pray to GOD that it becomes successful.

We need a LALIT MODI like person to make the league successful. Even if it is not good or successful in first year the organizers should make it run at least for 8-10 years with out interruption and expecting profits right away.
 
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I am restricting myself to Indians , Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. The fact remains that they are hopeless in football and other contact team sports for the reasons I gave earlier

Dont know abt indian or bangladeshis but football is very popular in Pakistan.. specially with the Baluch... Pakistan can produce world class soccer players if the govt supported the youngsters..
 
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Dont know abt indian or bangladeshis but football is very popular in Pakistan.. specially with the Baluch... Pakistan can produce world class soccer players if the govt supported the youngsters..
Every country can produce soccer players if government supports. But the question is how in South Asia.
So how much percentage of youngsters play football in baluch.
 
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Dont know abt indian or bangladeshis but football is very popular in Pakistan.. specially with the Baluch... Pakistan can produce world class soccer players if the govt supported the youngsters..

I also don't know about football in India. There are many factors which retard the growth of these sports in these nations. Allow me to list some as a matter of fact :-

  1. Cricket is a popular sport in all of these nations and is highly promoted by the respective governments which use up their sport development funds primarily for this sport and which have sporting administrations which rigidly apply whatever international development funds they receive for this sport. The same cannot be said for football. FIFA apportions a sizeable development fund internationally for football. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have never shown any positive products from this development fund
  2. Team building in contact sports does not occur overnight. It takes years. The Baluch youth if geared properly from now could only possibly represent Pakistan on the international stage in about 20 years from now. None of the three nations which I listed made or are making any effort to commence moulding and forming any sort of youth teams currently
  3. Moulding and grooming can only occur with an internationally recognized coach, definately a foreigner considering that none of the 3 nations have any recognized sportsmen in this field. None of the nations I mentioned have even commenced identifying such a coach.
  4. As I mentioned earlier, contact sports which requires team effort has never been the forte' of these nations. The answer is obvious to the question as to why. It would seem that culturally or for some common reason, they cannot compete in contact sports requiring team effort
 
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screw soccer, our national game is hockey when r u guys planning to promote it

Hockey isnt indias national sport:

Hockey is not our national game: Ministry - The Times of India


Aparently its ours n the govts neglect has almost killed it..



Hockey is Pakistan’s national game and its players have won many laurels for the nation in the past. Previously, these players were household names and were considered darlings of the nation, until everything went down under. Comparing those golden days of hockey with its dismal state today often brings tears to the eyes of many hockey followers.


The 2014 Hockey World Cup is less than a month away and, sadly, Pakistan has failed to even qualify for this global event. The reason of this depressing situation could possibly be attributed to the poor planning and management of the previous team that ran the Pakistan Hockey Federation (PHF).

However, the downfall of Pakistan hockey had begun back in the day. The most prominent defeats were in 1986, when we conveniently surrendered our Asian Games title to South Korea and finished at a lousy second last place in the World Cup played in England.



After that, there were a few good years in between for Pakistan. We rose from the ashes and proved ourselves as hockey giants with glorious victories in two prestigious hockey events during 1994. First, Pakistan recaptured its Champions Trophy title, after a gap of 24 years; second, the team went on to win the hockey World Cup, that same year. The victory in that final, over the Netherlands, was bitter-sweet revenge for team green because they were the same opponents who had deprived Pakistan of the World Cup title four years earlier, on home ground.

But the victories of 1994 couldn’t keep Pakistan from falling to its impending doom. As it turned out, those wins were the last ones for Pakistan in hockey’s international arena. For the last two decades, we have consistently failed to win any global title. Although Pakistan did get some heads-up at the Asian Games during this period but, thattoo, was short-lived.


Pakistan’s failure to qualify for the 2014 World Cup was perhaps the last nail in the coffin for Pakistan hockey and a return from this debacle seems to be an impossible task for the current team. Due to their non-participation in the World Cup, Pakistan’s international ranking slid down even further.

The blame for this largely lies on the ineptness of the PHF.

The flighty attitude of the PHF is evidenced with the sad fact it was unable to send our team to participate in the renowned Sultan Azlan Shah Cup, which is regarded as an important international event in the hockey world. This was all because the federation was unable to acquire the necessary funding in time for the tournament.

Recently, some changes have been made in the setup of the PHF, as stalwarts like Shahnaz Shaikh, Islahuddin Siddique and a few others have been introduced to take the hockey setup further; in my viewthese changes won’t make any difference.

If we try to jot down everything that is wrong with hockey today, we can trickle down to a few major factors. These include a drastically shrinking pool of players, poor playing facilities, low earnings, frequent rule changes at international level and internal feuds of our officials. Changing the PHF management won’t make much of a difference until we solve the other issues that blemish this sport.

Steps are being taken to help pull Pakistan hockey back on its feet. With the newly appointed hockey management carrying out country wide open trials to find fresh talent, one can hope that the sport might become popular amongst the masses once again. Searching for new talents seems like a good step to take but is still a very small one, especially since only 37 players have been selected from these countrywide trials. This is a clear indication of our youth’s shrinking interest in the national game.

If the PHF really wants to revive hockey, they need to start introducing the game in schools and colleges, provide Astroturf fields and build more hockey stadiums around the country. The United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany and Australia are currently the top teams in hockey and each country has hundreds of metres worth of Astroturf fields; whereas we, in Pakistan, have only eight Astroturf-fitted hockey grounds in the entire country. It is disheartening to see that this is how we treat our national game.

Playing on Astroturf fields requires a lot of training and unless the youth is given the field to practise on, they will always lag behind. Schools were the product line of Pakistan hockey at one time but now they are unable to produce players because the thrill of recognition is lost in this game and students are unwilling to try their hand at hockey because they feel that making a career in the sport is not worthwhile. They believe that it will not pay enough to support them for the rest of their lives, and unfortunately, they are right.



Cricket, snooker and other sports have become more lucrative for youngsters. One reason that these games have gained consistent popularity is because they can be played without any equipment or gear, whereas for hockey, the equipment is necessary; this can become financially taxing. In my view, hockey will decline further if new and aspiring hockey players are not given financial incentives. This will encourage the younger lot to choose hockey as a career, and will help the existing players to continue with the game without looking elsewhere to fulfil their financial needs.
Hockey was once an artistic game. I have been an ardent follower of hockey for three decades but the pathetic condition of our national game today is very difficult to bear. If things don’t improve, sooner or later, I doubt our national game will have any followers left in Pakistan.

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Four-time champion Pakistan is the only leading hockey nation that has failed to make it to the 13th edition of the World Cup currently taking place in the Netherlands. The absence of the green shirts from the coveted event is appalling to say the least, especially since Pakistan introduced the concept of a world championship for the sport in the 70s. In fact, the Pakistan Hockey Federation (PHF) even gifted the trophy to kick-start the event.

Three out of the first five World Cup tournaments were bagged by the stalwarts of the golden era of national hockey. The Asian wizards were crowned champions in the 1971, 1978 and 1982 editions besides making it to the final in 1975. The last triumph was in the high profile event in 1994 in Sydney, and since then it has all been downhill, thanks to the inept management and short-sighted policies of those in charge of hockey.

In the last two decades, the performance at arguably the biggest global event in the sport has been mediocre at best with the nadir touched in the 2010 edition in Delhi. Pakistan finished with the wooden spoon after losing the 11th position play-off against South Africa. Last year the green shirts lost the World Cup qualifiers in Malaysia before bowing out in the semi-finals of the Asia Cup — the last qualifying opportunity for Asian teams.

The present regime of the PHF has started a so called ‘rebuilding’ process with an eye on the 2016 Olympics in Brazil and the next World Cup four years down the road. Their immediate target is attaining a direct berth in the Olympics by winning the Asian Games later in the year. Pakistan is the defending champion after winning the gold in Guangzhou in 2010. It goes without saying that retaining the title in the Asian Games is set to be another uphill battle for the eight-time champions considering the fact that the likes of India, Korea and Malaysia will take the field battle-hardened after featuring in the World Cup.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 5th, 2014.

Every country can produce soccer players if government supports. But the question is how in South Asia.
So how much percentage of youngsters play football in baluch.

The fact tht more people watch football tht cricket mean something to you? football is played by the Baluch where ever they live from quetta,makran to lyarri in karachi sindh?
RIP Pakistan hockey?

By Khurram Zia Khan Published: May 26, 2014

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Pakistan’s failure to qualify for the 2014 World Cup was perhaps the last nail in the coffin for Pakistan hockey. PHOTO: REUTERS
Hockey is Pakistan’s national game and its players have won many laurels for the nation in the past. Previously, these players were household names and were considered darlings of the nation, until everything went down under. Comparing those golden days of hockey with its dismal state today often brings tears to the eyes of many hockey followers.
The 2014 Hockey World Cup is less than a month away and, sadly, Pakistan has failed to even qualify for this global event. The reason of this depressing situation could possibly be attributed to the poor planning and management of the previous team that ran the Pakistan Hockey Federation (PHF).
However, the downfall of Pakistan hockey had begun back in the day. The most prominent defeats were in 1986, when we conveniently surrendered our Asian Games title to South Korea and finished at a lousy second last place in the World Cup played in England.

After that, there were a few good years in between for Pakistan. We rose from the ashes and proved ourselves as hockey giants with glorious victories in two prestigious hockey events during 1994. First, Pakistan recaptured its Champions Trophy title, after a gap of 24 years; second, the team went on to win the hockey World Cup, that same year. The victory in that final, over the Netherlands, was bitter-sweet revenge for team green because they were the same opponents who had deprived Pakistan of the World Cup title four years earlier, on home ground.
But the victories of 1994 couldn’t keep Pakistan from falling to its impending doom. As it turned out, those wins were the last ones for Pakistan in hockey’s international arena. For the last two decades, we have consistently failed to win any global title. Although Pakistan did get some heads-up at the Asian Games during this period but, that too, was short-lived.
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India’s Singh Raj Pal (L) battles for the ball with Pakistan’s Muhammad Rashid during their preliminary field hockey game at the 16th Asian Games in Guangzhou, Guangdong province, 2010. Photo: Reuters

Pakistan’s failure to qualify for the 2014 World Cup was perhaps the last nail in the coffin for Pakistan hockey and a return from this debacle seems to be an impossible task for the current team. Due to their non-participation in the World Cup, Pakistan’s international ranking slid down even further.
The blame for this largely lies on the ineptness of the PHF.
The flighty attitude of the PHF is evidenced with the sad fact it was unable to send our team to participate in the renowned Sultan Azlan Shah Cup, which is regarded as an important international event in the hockey world. This was all because the federation was unable to acquire the necessary funding in time for the tournament.

Recently, some changes have been made in the setup of the PHF, as stalwarts like Shahnaz Shaikh, Islahuddin Siddique and a few others have been introduced to take the hockey setup further; in my view these changes won’t make any difference.
If we try to jot down everything that is wrong with hockey today, we can trickle down to a few major factors. These include a drastically shrinking pool of players, poor playing facilities, low earnings, frequent rule changes at international level and internal feuds of our officials. Changing the PHF management won’t make much of a difference until we solve the other issues that blemish this sport.
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Former hockey players Shahnaz Shaikh (L) and Samiullah (R). Photo: AFP

Steps are being taken to help pull Pakistan hockey back on its feet. With the newly appointed hockey management carrying out country wide open trials to find fresh talent, one can hope that the sport might become popular amongst the masses once again. Searching for new talents seems like a good step to take but is still a very small one, especially since only 37 players have been selected from these countrywide trials. This is a clear indication of our youth’s shrinking interest in the national game.
If the PHF really wants to revive hockey, they need to start introducing the game in schools and colleges, provide Astroturf fields and build more hockey stadiums around the country. The United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany and Australia are currently the top teams in hockey and each country has hundreds of metres worth of Astroturf fields; whereas we, in Pakistan, have only eight Astroturf-fitted hockey grounds in the entire country. It is disheartening to see that this is how we treat our national game.
Playing on Astroturf fields requires a lot of training and unless the youth is given the field to practise on, they will always lag behind. Schools were the product line of Pakistan hockey at one time but now they are unable to produce players because the thrill of recognition is lost in this game and students are unwilling to try their hand at hockey because they feel that making a career in the sport is not worthwhile. They believe that it will not pay enough to support them for the rest of their lives, and unfortunately, they are right.
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Pakistan’s players huddle before their men’s Group A hockey match at the London 2012 Olympic Games. Photo: Reuters

Cricket, snooker and other sports have become more lucrative for youngsters. One reason that these games have gained consistent popularity is because they can be played without any equipment or gear, whereas for hockey, the equipment is necessary; this can become financially taxing. In my view, hockey will decline further if new and aspiring hockey players are not given financial incentives. This will encourage the younger lot to choose hockey as a career, and will help the existing players to continue with the game without looking elsewhere to fulfil their financial needs.
Hockey was once an artistic game. I have been an ardent follower of hockey for three decades but the pathetic condition of our national game today is very difficult to bear. If things don’t improve, sooner or later, I doubt our national game will have any followers left in Pakistan.

I also don't know about football in India. There are many factors which retard the growth of these sports in these nations. Allow me to list some as a matter of fact :-

  1. Cricket is a popular sport in all of these nations and is highly promoted by the respective governments which use up their sport development funds primarily for this sport and which have sporting administrations which rigidly apply whatever international development funds they receive for this sport. The same cannot be said for football. FIFA apportions a sizeable development fund internationally for football. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have never shown any positive products from this development fund
  2. Team building in contact sports does not occur overnight. It takes years. The Baluch youth if geared properly from now could only possibly represent Pakistan on the international stage in about 20 years from now. None of the three nations which I listed made or are making any effort to commence moulding and forming any sort of youth teams currently
  3. Moulding and grooming can only occur with an internationally recognized coach, definately a foreigner considering that none of the 3 nations have any recognized sportsmen in this field. None of the nations I mentioned have even commenced identifying such a coach.
  4. As I mentioned earlier, contact sports which requires team effort has never been the forte' of these nations. The answer is obvious to the question as to why. It would seem that culturally or for some common reason, they cannot compete in contact sports requiring team effort

You posted a very complexed opinion... let me put it in simple words..

Govt,federal or provincial gives a shit abt football or even hockey our nations...?
 
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I think Indian Hockey Team is not bad. It was pathetic 3-4 years back. But I watched recent world cup and the performance was not bad. I mean they lost to good European teams by slight margin in last minute. They lost to No.1 team Australia very badly and Won on other Asian teams like Malaysia and South Korea. The Hockey league had helped players little bit and I hope in coming 5-7 years if the league continues and attracts some good foreign players then the standard of our players will improve also the money and sponsors for hockey will increase.
 
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Move entire population of South Asia to sub Saharan Africa and settle those Europeans and Latin Americans here in South Asia!! :D
 
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Both.. recently some tv report showed a groom who didnt even miss some match on his wedding day...
I thought Baluchistan was underdeveloped than other region. As in India only urban and big cities will have some people interested in football, I thought the same goes for Pakistan. How come they watch football rather than cricket. Are they underrepresented in cricket? Just a doubt.
 
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I thought Baluchistan was underdeveloped than other region. As in India only urban and big cities will have some people interested in football, I thought the same goes for Pakistan. How come they watch football rather than cricket. Are they underrepresented in cricket? Just a doubt.

Dont know .. ppl just love football... Baluch are either into boxing or football... be it they baluch of sindh or baluchistan.. apart from tht alot of ppl like football here...
 
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Face it, South Asians are hopeless at football. Games like football and rugby etc are just too contact and team orientated sports for them. Unlike cricket, football involves team orientation with contact. South Asians in my view are genetically not moulded for these kind of sports

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Why do you think that south Asians are not capable of playing as a team?
Sure, South Asians are generally not as big as others, but there are plenty of teams from nations with similar characteristics which made it into the World Cup!

@PlanetWarrior
PS: Forget it, I saw your other post now^^
 
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