How to detect and neutralize a suiciden bomber

[XYON]

Suicide bombings have become a bane to our existence in Pakistan as peaceful citizens. Day in and out we run into some misguided bloke armed with either an RDX laden steel ball stuffed vest or explosives laden two or four wheels blowing himself and innocents up at various locations in the world, including Pakistan. Surely technology may have an answers to deter such attacks before they happen. One of the promising technology in this regards is the millimeter wave scanner (http://www.dsxray.com/products/mmwave.htm) radars that can detect under-clothing items that may be harmful Already such advanced radars have been installed by the rich Arab Governments on all of their sensitive installations. These mm-wave radars/ scanners are made by a US company. Already however, such technology using mm-wave is employed in shape of scanners installed at airports and in Iraq at sensitive enter points by the US Army.

What can we do in Pakistan to come up with an out-of-the-box tech solution in order to detect and deter an intent suicide bomber? Any suggestions?

 

[Kharian_Beast]

There's not enough money in all of Pakistan to install costly high tech solutions at every conceivable location. What Pakistan needs is a new government that isn't in bed with conflicting interests (Taliban, CIA, etc.) We should also consult with China more often with regards to the domestic situation and gain insight from a regional perspective.

 

[PakmanUSA]

History has proven over and over if these people are dead set on blowing something up they will find a way to pull it off.

 

[tamir]

Along with a tech solution we need to use sniffer dogs. This would serve as a deterrent and also create a buffer between would be bombers and the target...... come to think of it, these guys are pretty much blowing up everything. Nothing is off limits to them.

It will probably take time to train the amount of dogs needed for something like this but this is a thought provoking thread. At least we have started to think about how to bring a stop to this menace.

Thank you for starting this thread epool.

 

[Cheetah786]

Suicide bombings have become a bane to our existence in Pakistan as peaceful citizens. Day in and out we run into some misguided bloke armed with either an RDX laden steel ball stuffed vest or explosives laden two or four wheels blowing himself and innocents up at various locations in the world, including Pakistan. Surely technology may have an answers to deter such attacks before they happen. One of the promising technology in this regards is the millimeter wave scanner radars that can detect under-clothing items that may be harmful Already such advanced radars have been installed by the rich Arab Governments on all of their sensitive installations. These mm-wave radars/ scanners are made by a US company. Already however, such technology using mm-wave is employed in shape of scanners installed at airports and in Iraq at sensitive enter points by the US Army.

What can we do in Pakistan to come up with an out-of-the-box tech solution in order to detect and deter an intent suicide bomber? Any suggestions?

Best deterent And it will work every time a suicide bomber kills and he or she is identified after investigation .Have every memebr of his or her family killed plus all money in there bank accounts taken and given to the victums family.

This will Make sures family memeber inform of there Loved ones intentions before he or she commit suicide.
But i doubt it will ever work in pakistan as i said before over and over ISI and junior level military full of Talibans till that garbadge filled by Zia -ul-HELL GETS cleaned you are going no where Radar or no Radar.


But i love this

installed by the rich Arab Governments on all of their sensitive installations.

How bout these same people stop giving money to the terrorsit in pakistan and we wont need any tech at all.

 

[mhacsan]

I guess, we can have jammers, which can jamp any electric equipment in the radius of 10 meters. (idea only)

these guys use electric circuit to switch the bomd vast on, why not let it not work in first place, n if you have detectors then they can be apprehended.

this means, an area where these guys are suspected to be present, police in civil unfirm along with these jammer device can be present, such as mobs, processions, army units etc, this is the job of intelligence to find where there is a likely target.

the problem is what if they do not use, electric circuit, then only detectors will do the half job, no one will dare to go close. n every thing will be Smoky

 

[mhacsan]

History has proven over and over if these people are dead set on blowing something up they will find a way to pull it off.

i would also like to add up, the 'information' is the key here, if we have a counter, dont publicise it, dont let them know how does the counter work, n then they will have hard time to get around it. but this is more likely that they will manage it

 

[fatman17]

shoot first ask questions later!

 

[XYON]

shoot first ask questions later!

Agreed! but how would you know who to shoot in the first place? . How can you tell the bomber from the innocents? Keeping aside the political and emotional aspect of it, my question above is more tilted towards finding a technological solution.

 

[qsaark]

But i doubt it will ever work in pakistan as i said before over and over ISI and junior level military full of Talibans till that garbadge filled by Zia -ul-HELL GETS cleaned you are going no where Radar or no Radar.

The cadets who took commission during 79-88, are now no longer Junior Officers and the senior officers (Lt-Col-Lt-Generals) who worked under Zia during 79-88, most of them are retired now. Still if a majority of the junior officers has sympathy (which I believe they have) with Taliban, there must be a reason. This is the matter of "bughz e Maaviah, not Hub e Ali" that is, anti-American sentiments over the love for Taliban.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Get DRDO to supply bomb triggers, that way most of the times the bomb won't go off

On a serious note, i think deal with it with sincerity and unity. Unity seems to be the problem as pakistanis can't seem to agree on who the bad guys are.

We have the same problem, with unity. but we haven't had any major experience with suicide bombs. and touch wood, don't want to.

 

[RescueRanger]

WRT tech there are many systems out there such as:

GyroCam: Gyrocam Systems _ Press Releases

MARCbots

However i cannot go into deep detail but Pakistani government is already trialing the portable version of Arroyo Sciences U-Hunter (Remote IED Detection System)

Arroyo Sciences is developing both a wall-mounted and portable capability for rapidly isolating a human suicide bomber wearing explosive belts based on fusion of ultra hi-resolution thermal sensor driven by U-HUNTER computational engine. On-camera software can make a screening detection call in real-time and potentially isolate threats from 50-100 ft away.

 

[mhacsan]

WRT tech there are many systems out there such as:

GyroCam: Gyrocam Systems _ Press Releases

MARCbots

However i cannot go into deep detail but Pakistani government is already trialing the portable version of Arroyo Sciences U-Hunter (Remote IED Detection System)

Arroyo Sciences is developing both a wall-mounted and portable capability for rapidly isolating a human suicide bomber wearing explosive belts based on fusion of ultra hi-resolution thermal sensor driven by U-HUNTER computational engine. On-camera software can make a screening detection call in real-time and potentially isolate threats from 50-100 ft away.

detection is not the key here, jammin them is. suicide bombers are often work in formation of two member team, one is a bobmer itself the other detonate it from distance, and takes the feedback

so any system which detects it wont do the job, coz as the other will blow him

 

[tamir]

detection is not the key here, jammin them is. suicide bombers are often work in formation of two member team, one is a bobmer itself the other detonate it from distance, and takes the feedback

so any system which detects it wont do the job, coz as the other will blow him

My apologies in advance but I could not resist this one.

 

[RescueRanger]

detection is not the key here, jammin them is. suicide bombers are often work in formation of two member team, one is a bobmer itself the other detonate it from distance, and takes the feedback

so any system which detects it wont do the job, coz as the other will blow him

Whilst you are entitled to your opnion, clearly you have little understanding of Explosive Incident Countermeasures. It is hard enough to detect a device when it is stationary, more so when it is mobile.

Rule 1 of EOD is (If you can't identify it, you can't handle it). First you need to know what you are up against? You may have heard of Jammers, let me enlighten you a little.

You seem to assume that every terrorist will adopt an electric kill or command switch, this is not necessarily the case. As we saw with Richard Reed, some choose the low tech option of a replacing the detonator with detna-cord or simple fuses.

Then again, gammers block "Cellular Signals" and not all electric devices, i can think of atleast 15 devices that can easily counter traditional "jammers", if i can, then so can the terrorists.

Furthermore radio signals can render Jammer's ineffective : A Comparison Of Near Earth Propagation Over Layered Media

Sorry to say it, but there is no silver bullet against IED's and the american's discovered this quite a while back: IEEE Spectrum: Countering IEDs

However, there are steps a country can take such as:

A) Adequate Intelligence gathering both at a communtiy and national level.
B) Comprehensive training WRT IED awareness and Bombing Incident Response
C) Emphasis on Pre Blast Investigation rather then post blast (Pro Active)
D) Combination of tools including Detectors, Jammers, Inhibitors etc. (Cost Effective)?
E) Stand Off Distance WRT Vital Installations
F) Competent EOD Units
G) Concise and Well Versed Rules of Engagement which are enforced bottom up in both civil and military security.

And i can go on, but perhaps you can now appreciate that the Jammer is useless without all these other complimentary or shall we say holistic measures accompanying active/passive denial systems.