How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties

[Dalit]

These noises are made from certain quarters, the likes of Haqqani and co and we all know whose tunes they dance upon.
If Biden wants to continue bitching about Taliban and Pakistan than he is most welcome however from his address it seems he does not intend to do so.

US does not want to give any military aid or financial and I dont think there are any in Pakistan, waiting for one either. As far as we are concerned, the policy cannot be clear than what the Premier said, we will help you get out as friends and not being your slaves waging wars.

FATF cannot blacklist Pakistan, it will continue to keep us in the grey list, FATF has already been used extensively but it can only pull this much. As for the Gulf allies, UAE most definitely, KSA i doubt it considering how strain the relationship is between MBS and new US regime. Trump would have been a different game but than again we can never be sure about how the Gulf countries behave. If all goes to shit, than we too should not be hesitant to woo the Iranians specially in their quest in ME. A tit for tat response.

I do believe planners have taken everything into consideration before hedging our bets. It however remains to be seen if they pay off or not.

Hussain Haqqani has been very badly humiliated. He needs to look for another job.

 

[Aslan]

It is not going to be as usual with Pakistan. But I think Pakistan has already taken all of this into account when they made the move. Lets see how it unfolds hereon.

The only move that Pakistan made if any was, to make sure that the indians will not be able to play their hand in Afghanistan anymore. Thats gives us the breathing room that we were being deprived off for the last 20 years. No wonder the indian gov, and her media is on fire.

 

[mudas777]

These noises are made from certain quarters, the likes of Haqqani and co and we all know whose tunes they dance upon.
If Biden wants to continue bitching about Taliban and Pakistan than he is most welcome however from his address it seems he does not intend to do so.

US does not want to give any military aid or financial and I dont think there are any in Pakistan, waiting for one either. As far as we are concerned, the policy cannot be clear than what the Premier said, we will help you get out as friends and not being your slaves waging wars.

FATF cannot blacklist Pakistan, it will continue to keep us in the grey list, FATF has already been used extensively but it can only pull this much. As for the Gulf allies, UAE most definitely, KSA i doubt it considering how strain the relationship is between MBS and new US regime. Trump would have been a different game but than again we can never be sure about how the Gulf countries behave. If all goes to shit, than we too should not be hesitant to woo the Iranians specially in their quest in ME. A tit for tat response.

I do believe planners have taken everything into consideration before hedging our bets. It however remains to be seen if they pay off or not.

Old stories dug and dug up again, same authors, same papers and same characters with different fake accounts. US due to Pacific tilt have created QUAD so obviously it has affected US/Pakistan relations due to our closeness to China. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, thanks to the Pakistan US had a dignified exit. US citizens are not being picked up from the roof tops of their embassy like in the Vietnam or people are not hunting them down with the machete's on the streets of Kabul due to their committed brutalities, atrocities and human right violations. US and NATO forces are defeated so they have to run out of the country and now all of a sudden pretending that they are like Saints, were on some humanitarian mission and saviours of the Afghanistan. Taliban should start showing images of their torture cells, nurseries of brutalities and complex of horrors where thousands of Afghans were held and killed so World can see their true face. US and NATO forces were occupiers and were not on some mercy mission in the Afghanistan one must remember that.
We didn't back stabbed US in the Afghanistan the butt hurt is self inflicted by the US herself. US knew well, we have fought 3 wars with the India and was fully aware of that. India is a Pakistan no 1 enemy, brought India into the Afghanistan scene by the US to rub salts on the Pakistan wounds in turn got slapped back, what's wrong in that. If US was concerned for their security we partnered to fight for their security but US can't expect us to compromise our security for their Ludo games.
As far as US Pakistan future ties are concerned let them lick their wounds and and we will send them the "get well soon" card. Pakistan is an important country in her own right so despite the Afghanistan debacle our ties are here to stay and their is always going to be do more and no more.
We don't own Afghanistan and we are not an unpaid contractor their, for the US and Western interests and we don't bear any responsibility and its their problem. US/NATO wagged the war on the Afghanistan and they have lost and we were used like a tool of convenience. Its their war, their loss and now their escape from the war front and if India was so reliable partner i wonder why Indian's buggered off much earlier then the US forces from the scene. Even dog when runs away keeps her tail between the legs while India ran away left behind prepared meals, beds and full of petrol cars it goes to show how much Indians are brave, reliable and brothers in arms to the US. Where is the Indian dog loyalty to the US master, deserted master in the hour of his need, ran off faster then Hussain Bolt from the scene, looked after their own safety and now barking from the distance, is it ????

 

[Dalit]

The Indians and Americans are kidding themselves. Pakistan US relations were never cordial to begin with. At best, we have competing interests.

Finally, Pakistan and the regional countries can now cooperate after two decades of US/NATO and Indian instability. Will this adversely impact Pak US relations? Possibly. Is Pakistan going to change course. Absolutely not. Regional cooperation is more important than serving the interests of US/NATO.

 

[newb3e]

so when china starting investing in Pakistan our good indian friend started worrying about us being trapped in debt!

now Taliban beat amrikay our good friend are again worried taliban will destroy Pakistan!!

i have never seen such a caring and cute enemy in my life!!

hindus are really pissful!

Hussain Haqqani has been very badly humiliated. He needs to look for another job.

Mr Tariq Fateh shared on twitter that Taliban are digging out bodies of women and raping! i think Mr Siri Hussain Kumar G will also find a job at Bakhti IT bs spreading center!

Indian IT export will skyrocket!

 

[Riz]

biden should find and hang those former CIA chiefs who suggested US to double cross pak and give india key role of Afghanistan

 

[waz]

Look who they ask for their 'expert' opinion Ayesha Siddiqa and Hussain Haqani.
I've seen a fair few US experts stating the US should approach Pakistan. They've already been cut out of the region and only have Pakistan they can fall back on.
The likes of Ryan Cocker and others have made this clear.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Like we were not anticipating this.

Look who they ask for their 'expert' opinion Ayesha Siddiqa and Hussain Haqani.

LOL, end of discussion here with those two names.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties
By S Khan (Islamabad) | 10h ago

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.
The fall of Kabul to the Taliban has left many people in Pakistan questioning their country's future relations with the US.


Some hard-liners in Pakistan say Washington will blame Islamabad for the Islamic fundamentalist group's takeover of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari wrote an article on Tuesday asserting that "her country would no longer accept being scapegoated for the failures of others."

Bill Emmott, former editor-in-chief of The Economist, wrote last week in a commentary for Project Syndicate that "the blame" for failure in Afghanistan and the return of the Taliban "lies largely with Pakistan and America's inability to bring the country onside."

Pakistan is said to be the largest backer of the cloistered group of the Taliban whose regime was recognized by Islamabad when they governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Husain Haqqani, the South and Central Asia director at the Hudson Institute — a Washington-based think tank — says Pakistan's past role in Afghanistan has always created friction between Washington and Islamabad.

"Most Americans believe Pakistan's consistent support enabled the Taliban to succeed," Haqqani told DW.

"There is resentment against Pakistan's role in Afghanistan which may not help improve US-Pakistan ties in the near future," he added.

Waning interest for Pakistan
Pakistan in the past relied heavily on the US military and financial assistance, with some estimates suggesting that the country may have received over $30 billion (€25.5 billion) from Washington since 2001.

Islamabad also received generous aid packages and financial assistance during the Cold War when it was a close ally of the US.

But Haqqani says there is very little support in Washington "for resuming large-scale economic or military assistance for Pakistan right now."

Author Ayesha Siddiqa believes Washington has "lost interest" in Islamabad. Pakistan has always sought funds and military assistance from the US, but such support would no longer be on the cards, Siddiqa told DW.

"The ties are already strained and there is a sanction-like situation with Pakistan being in the grey list of FATF (Financial Action Task Force)," she added.

The China factor
Defense analyst General Amjad Shoaib says Pakistan's close ties with China have also strained Washington-Islamabad relations.

Pakistan has sought a strategic partnership with China, throwing support behind the Belt and Road Initiative, Shoaib told DW, adding that the move particularly did not go down well with Washington.

The US still has many supporters in Afghanistan, he says, predicting that the war-torn country would be used against Pakistan by "pampering" Baloch insurgents who would target Chinese interests in Pakistan.

According to Haqqani, the US and Pakistan have very different foreign policy strategies, and so will have to find a new basis.

"Pakistan has made the strategic choice of aligning with China while the US seems to have chosen India as its strategic partner in the region. With tactical cooperation relating to Afghanistan diminishing, the relationship will have to find a new basis," he told DW.

Pakistan's 'special responsibility'
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday told reporters that Pakistan "has a special responsibility to make sure that Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments" and does "not once again become a safe haven for international terrorists."

"A stable Afghanistan is in the interest of all countries and not least the neighbors as Pakistan," he said at the press conference.

According to Haqqani, "Any evidence of international Jihadi groups becoming active again will also result in sanctions against Afghanistan which has implications for Islamabad as well."

But for Amjad Shoaib, the US could use the "pretext" of human rights and the presence of international terror groups to blackmail Pakistan. The defense analyst questioned why such groups were not eliminated during NATO's 20-year-long occupation.

Disruptions to Pakistan's economy
Economist Azra Talat Saeed warns that deteriorating Washington-Islamabad relations would have a catastrophic impact for Pakistan. Saeed also believes the US will use its leverage against Pakistan.

"The US and its allies will make it more and more difficult for us (Pakistan) to access funds," she told DW, adding that the country is at risk of economic chaos like Iran and Venezuela.

Saeed believes that Washington will pressure Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies to "create problems for Pakistani workers" and cause crucial remittances to plummet.

"This would be very devastating for our economy," she said.

The coronavirus pandemic has already dealt a severe blow to Pakistan's economy, prompting the closure of over 55,000 small businesses, rendering more than 20 million people jobless. The country already faces over $100 billion dollars in external debt.

Salman Shah, a former federal minister for finance, says that if Pakistan is "pushed to the corner," then Islamabad has Russia, China and other regional countries "to fall back upon."

"We wish to have good ties with the US and want it to be involved economically in the region," he told DW.

How the Taliban's takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties – DW – 08/24/2021

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.

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The EXACT same articles have been appearing since October 2001. I don't know if this is the 100th or 101st such article. If it's the 100th, let's celebrate the century scored.............. ............nowadays, the relationship between Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo is far more important than the relationship between Pakistan and america............

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The counter narrative has to go out about Peaceful Afghanistan , the international bodies IMF /World Bank are creating unnecessary drama about Government in Afghanistan

The locals of that region have right to run their own country

Taliban government is no different then Saudi Government of 1940's , give them 20-30 years and they will likely enhance to a moderate society like Saudia Arabia

The unnecessary disruption from IMF and World Bank makes no sense they are hindering the development of Afghanistan

• 2020 Afghan-US peace deal, signed in middle east country
• 2021 Transfer of Power
• Biden's address to his country , time to move on from Afghanistan
• Recognition by China
• Recognition by Russia
• Recognition by Turkey
• Recognition by Pakistan

Time to move forward

 

[lamdacore]

I dont think we should be too fussed about the US not accepting Pakistan version of events or even putting the blame on Pakistan for its own failures. This decable has only shown everyone how bad and imbalanced of a relationship this already was.

Pakistan has secured its future with China and this is set to continue no matter what other think. Pakistan is squarely out of the US sphere of influence and the US has no more leverage on Pakistan. We are literally free in many ways if you think about it. Those who have built policies around the US are definitely going to feel vulnerable as that was their business and were the key stakeholders in that engagement.

But, even the US can not forget about Pakistan as we are an important state. Right now they are bitter from their war experience. Once they formulate their China policy, they will come back to us to try and sway us away from China.

So, even if they sanction us, tough for us but then only the tough get going and we should simply do that.