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How the rest of the world is looking to China for help: Part 1

You can believe whatever you believe, and keep being upset, I just feel it's so funny that a foreign who worries about China more than their own country, really strange, but anyway, keep worrying.

I dont care about what goes on inside China. I only care because every single thread you open here is a propaganda tool for the regime. On top of that because your regime hid things for more than a month people are suffering . And you still keep on passionately supporting the regime as if they paying you to do this.
 
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I dont care about what goes on inside China. I only care because every single thread you open here is a propaganda tool for the regime. On top of that because your regime hid things for more than a month people are suffering . And you still keep on passionately supporting the regime as if they paying you to do this.
Ok, keep caring, I'll do more.
 
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I read somewhere that UNSC wants to thank China and the current Chair Dominican Republic has convened a closed door meeting for it.

Too bad China's Veto won't let the praise materialise.
 
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Come on, pleae do a little more google before you lie, what are the "Chances" for a Pakistani origin personel able to get a visa to China, in my hometown Hongkong, its next to "zero" period
I was sent for a 7 week deployment for China Express deployment. Got a business visa on my passport from over a year ago.
 
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I was sent for a 7 week deployment for China Express deployment. Got a business visa on my passport from over a year ago.
Yeah, sure, prove it please, OVER a year ago and you're saying you heard "the so called RUMORS from people in last October" and now you're saying you was there a year ago LOL you're just dispecable indeed
FACT"If student visa through gov channel, YES, tourist visa through gov level, may be
FACT: Personnel (staff)visa through either cooperate or NGO a BIG NO for South Asian national, especially Pakistani origin
FACT: NO MULPITBLE visa will be granted except diplomatic level entrance. SO STOP your shameless lies period

Reason behind it, Pakistani origin western country citizens, most of them found used by foreign agencies to set up, fund and organized anti-China muslims in China through their Muslim religious capability
Even in my hometown Hongkong which is an international city in the world, NO visa granted as well, even Indians were not granted visa free entrance anymore
Pakistani origin foreign agents recruit "ISIS" members from foreign domestic helpers in 2015
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https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/isis-reportedly-recruiting-indonesian-domestic-workers-hong-kong/
 
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Yeah, sure, prove it please, OVER a year ago and you're saying you heard "the so called RUMORS from people in last October" and now you're saying you was there a year ago LOL you're just dispecable indeed
FACT"If student visa through gov channel, YES, tourist visa through gov level, may be
FACT: Personnel (staff)visa through either cooperate or NGO a BIG NO for South Asian national, especially Pakistani origin
FACT: NO MULPITBLE visa will be granted except diplomatic level entrance. SO STOP your shameless lies period

Reason behind it, Pakistani origin western country citizens, most of them found used by foreign agencies to set up, fund and organized anti-China muslims in China through their Muslim religious capability
Even in my hometown Hongkong which is an international city in the world, NO visa granted as well, even Indians were not granted visa free entrance anymore
Pakistani origin foreign agents recruit "ISIS" members from foreign domestic helpers in 2015
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https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/isis-reportedly-recruiting-indonesian-domestic-workers-hong-kong/
Yes I've had the visa for a while and was there last year in October.

And the Chinese consulate happily gave me a multi-entry visa. Was sent twice, once to Hua Ou at Beijing and the next was Chongqing.
 
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Well inside US I am not put into a concentration camp just because I am a muslim. I have the freedom to speak and think whatever I want unlike in china where you have to suck up to Xi and the communist party all the time like a bunch of robots. The population is so afraid to speak out againt the regime that people have developed another language when speaking about political affairs.

Pho noodles and pandas: How China’s social media users created a new language to beat government censorship on COVID-19
6 March 2020, 13:32 UTC
To fully appreciate conversations on China’s social media platforms, merely knowing Chinese is not enough. To evade the most extensive internet censorship system in the world, netizens have no option but to create their own vocabulary to discuss “sensitive issues”. This language keeps evolving as the government constantly adds new topics and terms that are prohibited.

And there’s no better example of this linguistic cat-and-mouse game between China’s social media users and the country’s legions of online censors than the current COVID-19 epidemic.

Coronavirus outbreak sparks new censorship crackdown
The government’s handling of the novel coronavirus outbreak has fuelled criticism of the government, including the initial cover-up of the epidemic and restrictions on information that is clearly in the public’s interest. In response to the swell in online criticism, a host of new terms have become “sensitive”.

In January, users of the Chinese social media platform Weibo complained that the words “Wuhan” and “Hubei”—where the epidemic originated—were being restricted. Only a small proportion of users could see posts containing those words, and criticisms of the authorities in those areas were stifled.

On WeChat, another popular social media platform, combinations such as “Xi Jinping goes to Wuhan” and “Wuhan + CCP + Crisis + Beijing” were systematically being censored, a recent report from research group Citizen Lab confirmed.

Netizens began to use “wh” and “hb”, the initials of Wuhan and Hubei, as replacement terms. That’s fairly simple. But it gets more complicated.

Since China’s National Red Cross and its ability to distribute supplies has been questioned, netizens anticipated ‘Red Cross’ would be censored and replaced it with “red ten” (the Chinese character for ten “十 Shí” resembles a cross). When people express suspicions that supplies had been mishandled by the national Red Cross society, hashtags such as “supplies are reded” began trending.

Another example is the use of “F4”. Initially a Taiwanese boy band that attained popularity across the region in the early 2000s, it now refers to four regional politicians: the governor of Hubei province; the secretary of Hubei’s Communist Party Committee; the mayor of Wuhan; and the party secretary of Wuhan. Many hold these four men most responsible for the massive outbreak.

Innocuous sentences can also hold a deeper meaning, such as excerpts from the leaked police statement that Dr Li Wenliang, who had warned about the virus outbreak in December, had to give to the public security bureau:

“Can you do this?” the 3 January police statement reads, referring to the police’s demand that he “stop illegal activities” related to the virus.

“Can,” he confirms.

“Do you understand?” it continues.

“Understand,” Li responds.

Social media users began posting the exchange as a sentence – “Can you do this? Can. Do you understand? Understand.” – and the phrase went viral.

These posts were deleted, but netizens then revived and adapted the statement with more rebellious content. “I cannot and do not understand.”

The same night, the hashtag “I want freedom of speech” trended on Weibo. Once detected, it was removed, with those using it blocked.

The new Chinese dictionary
Amid the heightened censorship of the coronavirus outbreak, new words are being censored on a daily basis. But Chinese netizens are used to substituting “sensitive words” for alternatives.

The most common example is “zf”, which is the abbreviation for the Chinese word “government”; “jc” stands for the “police”; “guobao” (national treasure) or panda images represent the domestic security bureau; and “Ministry of Truth” (from the George Orwell novel 1984) is substituted for the Communist Party’s Propaganda Department.

To access overseas websites blocked in China (such as Facebook and Twitter) netizens need to use VPNs—software that give users the possibility to “climb over the Great Firewall”.

“Ladder” (for climbing) and “Vietnamese pho noodles” are two terms that are routinely used to refer to VPNs.

Meanwhile June 4th, the infamous day of the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and one of the most censored terms on the Chinese internet, becomes “35 May”, “65 April” or “eight squared”, to name but a few examples.

Lyrical genius, or wasted creativity?
Often, netizens are forced to get creative with their posts to a degree which borders on the absurd. The removal of a post on ZhiHu (China’s version of Quora) asking “how to wash narrow neck bottles thoroughly” may be baffling at first glance. But the Chinese pronunciation of “narrow neck bottle” is similar to that of president Xi Jinping – a fact that did not escape the censors.

Similarly, a parent’s complaint on Weibo about his child being “bad at learning” was instantly removed. Why? Because in Chinese, the President’s surname means “learning”. In this context, to say “learning is bad” must be censored.

China’s censorship system is perplexing. The list of “sensitive” words is constantly changing, and is never publicly revealed. There are some words that certain users cannot write, but other users can. As a result, people are always self-censoring in an attempt to beat the system.

There is a certain genius at work as netizens – among them talented journalists, students, scholars and activists – develop a rapidly expanding alternative dictionary.

Yet this never-ending dance also drains their energy. Not least because when their accounts are removed, netizens are forced to create new ones and start again the process of connecting with their followers.

This leaves a lingering sense that such wisdom and imagination could be better spent on something more productive than fighting a constant battle to be heard.

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If it isnt then why do Pakistanis follow blindly whatever the chinese say? Why havent we asked them about uighers ?



I just told you biggest muslim group in china, Hui, is not in so called western made up "camp", so where did you get idea Muslims are being locked up in camp for simply being Muslim, western media? Do you have comprehension issue? Chinese largest muslim group, Hui, are perfectly fine in china, so what makes you think china is "persecuting" Muslims, you brainwashed fool?


great, so you only read American biased media, but not other side of the story, that explains it.

You can live anyway you want thats fine by me. But dont spread your propaganda here and then pass it out as if its the truth. Everybody around the world knows about the chinese regime its not exactly a secret.

People around the world know? what the F are you talking about, there are plenty of sites that already talked about how biased western media is against china, only highlight the negative but never the positive, yet you here only read western news claim you know anything about china?

Man nobody is upset. If you are happy living in that propaganda more power to you. Just dont propagate fake stuff because everybody knows everything.

So you telling me he is not missing?

are you the one spreading western propaganda here? 99% of world websites are accessible in china, FACT. Singapore is also one party state and can't criticize their leaders, you see anyone criticizing their numbers? in the US, freedom of speech means freedom to lie, period. Just look amount of fake news, things taken out of context and used against politician media doesn't like, you think media will be somehow honest when it comes to china?

There is a difference between supporting China and supporting the CCP . Are all chinese this scared to speak up against them?

there is a difference between supporting CCP and pushing against lies from the west, don't you understand. I'm not a big fan of CCP, there are certain thing CCP does I do agree with and certain things I don't. There are tendency from the west that anything CCP does is evil, some even bordering racism, these are the things we are pushing back against. We fully aware there are drawbacks in CCP, like silencing critics of top leaders, but CCP also showed results in delivering economic boom, despite criticized early on for "exploiting slave labors", when those so called "slave labor" as portrayed by the west were simply migrant workers who get paid less than west counterpart. The lies and smearing propaganda from the west are things we are pushing back against.
 
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Lol have you visit a Singapore forum before? It's worse than Americans criticizing Trump.
one of my best friend is from Singapore, people who criticize Singapore leader will instantly get sued for defamation, and they lost most of the time.
 
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one of my best friend is from Singapore, people who criticize Singapore leader will instantly get sued for defamation, and they lost most of the time.

Nonsense. You will only be sued if you explicitly allege something untrue, such as corruption.

You can curse the leaders or scold them for being stupid and nothing will happen to you. I see more than 10 such threads everyday, on just 1 forum.
 
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Nonsense. You will only be sued if you explicitly allege something untrue, such as corruption.

You can curse the leaders or scold them for being stupid and nothing will happen to you. I see more than 10 such threads everyday, on just 1 forum.

Here,

https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/12/...ession-free-expression-and-assembly-singapore


Look, I'm not saying Singapore is bad or anything, I'm pointing out there are many hypocrisies in western media and I'm pretty sure Singapore is not as bad as western media makes it out to be, same thing when west media make allegations against china.
 
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Makes no sense to me to use the stimulus money on more infrastructure projects?
Any thoughts from the Chinese? Why trust local governments with so much cash?
They have in the past exercised poor fiscal discipline - what changed?



The ramped-up spending will aim to spur infrastructure investment, backed by as much as 2.8 trillion yuan ($394 billion) of local government special bonds, said the sources. The national budget deficit ratio could rise to record levels, they added.

Local governments will be allowed to issue more special bonds, which could hit 2.5-2.8 trillion yuan this year, compared with 2.15 trillion yuan in 2019, the sources said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...could-cut-growth-target-sources-idUSKBN2161NW

Too lazy to create a separate thread - may ask to do so if this topic gains traction.
 
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Here,

https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/12/...ession-free-expression-and-assembly-singapore


Look, I'm not saying Singapore is bad or anything, I'm pointing out there are many hypocrisies in western media and I'm pretty sure Singapore is not as bad as western media makes it out to be, same thing when west media make allegations against china.

That's why I say it's nonsense. Freedom of expression? I can easily click on a random page and find a thread which is mindlessly flaming and cursing the PM and the ruling party. It's even more toxic than Americans cursing Trump.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...n-do-differently-other-countries-6247333.html
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ovid-19-slow-half-assed-response-6243833.html


And Singapore is regularly ranked among the top 20 in the rule of law index by the way.

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Chinese government at the time didn't even know it was new virus for christ sake and it didn't even have any testing kit to test them, what you mean china knew and hid for months?

Is that why china destroyed the virus samples ?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj


https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-crisis-caused-by-decisions-chinese-government/


As a country, we’ve got our hands full right now. But while we’re sitting in various forms of self-quarantine, we — and a lot of other people around the world — will have a lot of time to read about the Chinese government destroying samples and suppressing information about the coronavirus in December:

Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

And the Chinese government’s attempt to silence doctors warning others about the disease:

As word of a mysterious virus mounted, Li Wenliang shared suspicions in a private chat with his fellow medical school graduates.

The doctor said that seven people seemed to have contracted SARS — the respiratory illness that spread from China to more than two dozen countries and left hundreds dead in the early 2000s. One patient was quarantined at his hospital in Wuhan, China, Li said. He urged people to be careful.

Li and seven other doctors were quickly summoned by Chinese authorities for propagating “rumors” about SARS-like cases in the area — but their warnings were prescient. Soon, health officials worldwide would be scrambling to combat a novel virus with a striking genetic resemblance to SARS.

And the Chinese authorities spending January “denying it could spread between humans — something doctors had known was happening since late December — and went ahead with a Chinese Lunar New Year banquet involving tens of thousands of families in Wuhan.” Doctors say that in Wuhan, people who had no connection to that Hua’nan market were among the first showing the symptoms — suggesting that from the beginning, Chinese authorities should have understood that human-to-human transmission was already happening.

Even by the Chinese government’s own account of events, President Xi Jinping knew about the disease for two weeks before making any public comments about it.

Under fire for its response to the coronavirus epidemic, China’s authoritarian government appears to be pushing a new account of events that presents President Xi Jinping as taking early action to fight the outbreak that has convulsed the country.

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But in doing so, the authorities have acknowledged for the first time that Mr. Xi was aware of the epidemic and involved in the response nearly two weeks before he first spoke publicly about it — and while officials at its epicenter in the city of Wuhan were still playing down its dangers.

The Wall Street Journal calculates that the Chinese government “let some five million people leave Wuhan without screening.” Chinese medical authorities were much more concerned about preserving Wuhan’s reputation than the contagious, deadly disease:

The hospital’s leadership also banned staff from discussing the disease in public or via texts or images, Dr. Ai Fen said. Eight days later, a nurse in her department started to feel sick, and it was later confirmed she was infected by the coronavirus. By early March, three doctors at the hospital had died from the infection.

Even today, prominent Chinese citizens who criticize the government’s response suddenly disappear. The Chinese government is much more effective at stopping the spread of information about the coronavirus than stopping the spread of the coronavirus. Pardon me, the “Wuhan virus.”

We are in this mess in large part because of the decisions of the Chinese government. And once it’s safe to come out, we’re going to face some extremely consequential decisions about how we choose to treat the Chinese government after their catastrophic secrecy, coverups, blundering, and disregard for human life around the globe.
 
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