How should Iran respond to recent Terror attack in Iran?

[VEVAK]

A serious respond could look like this:

- Starting step is to send 6 batteries of Mesbah-2 ZSU-23-8 AAA (6 x 4 guns, 2 x short range radar) via land route to south east Syria, close to an airfield.

- Send 12 Sarir 100mm AAA batteries around those Mesbah-2 (12 x 4 guns), also via Iraq.

- Send two Matla ol Fajr-3 radars to those Mesbah 2 and set up to nearby centers with each MoF-3 protected by 3 Mesbah-2 batteries

- Send 30 Tabas TELARs into that protected area of a 20km radius

- Send a full 3rd Khordad battery with 4 TELARs, 4 TEL and a Bashir radar, plus some support equipment of different kind.

- Declare a 200km radius no fly zone wast of Abukamal.

- 3 Mesbah-2 batteries will protect the airfield and a MoF-3, the 3 others the other Mof-3, the Bashir and the 3rd Khordad.

- Prepare airfield for 60 Shahed-129 UCAV

- Start hitting Deash positions in the desert and SDF areas

- Support operations by local infantery

- Send some 100 older Fateh-110B to the airfield to hit heavy, time critical targets if necessary.

Thats all.
It should not cost more than this.
Operation cost of the air defense would be very low. Fuel and operating cost of S-129 would be low as well.
What would cost are those 100 Fateh and 2500-5000 S-129 PGMs. If we count $30k for each unpowered Sadid, 5000 would cost $150m.

Total campaign cost should not be more than $250m. Total cost of deployed systems below $750m.

No flight zone would piss off the US and the SDF.
Hard force projection into Syria would piss off Gulf Arabs.
Iranian mobile power node in east Syria would piss off Israelis
Daesh would pay in blood.

That would be a cost effective, heavy response.

What your suggesting is far from sufficient to combat the entire Israeli Air Force we would simply end up embarrassing ourselves and losing nearly a Billion USD in the process.

I would say in Syria at an absolute max we take a few low cost Iranian built Early Warning systems + 20 Mesbah AAA system + ~10 Optical Raad system (Not Buk) + 1 Tabas + one 3rd of Khordad.(Just to test them out)
And instead of the Fatteh-110B Iran should produce a cheap 250km Cruise Missiles using cheaper micro jets engine(Single compressor, single turbine, ~250lbf, lifespan of +30min at max cruise speed & ~5min at max thrust that cost under $500 USD per engine) on a light composite Airframe with cruise speed of ~500kph with under 200lb warhead that uses INS & Optics for guidance (basically a cheaper version of the Ya Ali with each missile costing no more than $5000-$10,000 USD depending on the warhead and optics)

The price of thermal camera's has greatly reduced
https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.details.maylikever.5.6322216aKeyujX
And a rather simple INS will get you to within ~5km of your target where counter imaging could do the rest and in Syria it would even be more preferable if your missile didn't fly so close to the ground

And instead of 60 Sh-129 I would say 50 lighter and cheaper UAV's Yaser's, Mohajer-4&6,.... and no more than 20 Sh-129's​

Optical Raad

Allowing additional funding to aid our brother in Yemen!

 

[zectech]

Don't mean to be rude, but what do you suggest then?

Israels ability to strike Iran in Syria will be diminished as soon as Syria gets those s-300s, so maybe Iran can step up troop and equipment deployment to Syria.

How many and how protected they are, is the question. Responding by a show of force in Syria and Yemen is one of the best responses. Getting involved in a direct war might be unwise. Being at peace and expanding Iran's and Assad's power is what those terrorists fear.

Everybody is coming to the realization that Trump is a clown and Washington only exports terror and war and conflict. So the clowns need a new enemy, so they dial up some terrorist attack in Iran and see if Iran destroys Dubai. Stay in peace, stay strong and stay prosperous. Become like the Chinese and get to the level of the States in technology and development, that is what they don't want. A war, that is why there was a terrorist attack.

 

[PeeD]

What your suggesting is far from sufficient to combat the entire Israeli Air Force we would simply end up embarrassing ourselves and losing nearly a Billion USD in the process.

I would say in Syria at an absolute max we take a few low cost Iranian built Early Warning systems + 20 Mesbah AAA system + ~10 Optical Raad system (Not Buk) + 1 Tabas + one 3rd of Khordad.(Just to test them out)
And instead of the Fatteh-110B Iran should produce a cheap 250km Cruise Missiles using cheaper micro jets engine(Single compressor, single turbine, ~250lbf, lifespan of +30min at max cruise speed & ~5min at max thrust that cost under $500 USD per engine) on a light composite Airframe with cruise speed of ~500kph with under 200lb warhead that uses INS & Optics for guidance (basically a cheaper version of the Ya Ali with each missile costing no more than $5000-$10,000 USD depending on the warhead and optics)

The price of thermal camera's has greatly reduced
https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.details.maylikever.5.6322216aKeyujX
And a rather simple INS will get you to within ~5km of your target where counter imaging could do the rest and in Syria it would even be more preferable if your missile didn't fly so close to the ground

And instead of 60 Sh-129 I would say 50 lighter and cheaper UAV's Yaser's, Mohajer-4&6,.... and no more than 20 Sh-129's​

Optical Raad

Allowing additional funding to aid our brother in Yemen!

Fair enough.
My option is not to take out the Israeli airforce, just protect that proposed expedition force, as attacking that highly defended area would certainly cause losses.

Such a answer would be modern and professional looking for moral/PR reasons.
Otherwise this time I'm fully with you: A cheap microjet powered PGM is a nice and cost effective weapon.
Israelis use it with their Deliha. The Raad rocket AAA is promising too although not proven.

 

[VEVAK]

Fair enough.
My option is not to take out the Israeli airforce, just protect that proposed expedition force, as attacking that highly defended area would certainly cause losses.

Such a answer would be modern and professional looking for moral/PR reasons.
Otherwise this time I'm fully with you: A cheap microjet powered PGM is a nice and cost effective weapon.
Israelis use it with their Deliha. The Raad rocket AAA is promising too although not proven.

200km would require fighter jets or a relatively large number of Supersonic UCAV's as interceptors and if we declare a 200km no fly zone without the proper weapons systems to properly enforce it then we are simply asking to be attacked and embarrassed and their fighters don't need to get within 200km to attack us so they'll simply adapt for a short time and use more expensive weapons for high value targets until all our main SAM's are gone so even if we could enforce 200km it really wouldn't matter so without interceptors and wiliness to down them beyond 200km it wouldn't matter.
That's why I say it's best to stick to intercepting incoming projectiles with low cost passive early warning systems that would allow us to inform our guys of a pending attack so they can take cover or...…
As for the Optical Raad system it's a low cost system Iran can improve upon by allowing it to have field experience We can see it's flaws, see what countermeasures get used against them, improve the system and our guys can learn how best to use it on a modern battlefield against real weapons.

Plus our guys just need to adapt to tactics they already know and adapt to using more covert methods & or countermeasures to better hide our troop deployments....

Right now in Syria we have the opportunity to develop and improve on systems that can helps us better protect our troops and facilities against incoming projectiles in the future and we also have the opportunity to develop, test & learn how to best use various weapon systems from low cost cruise missiles to building and learning how to better use armed remotely controlled UGV's of all sizes, UAV's, UCAV's, Quad's,... to developing smaller low cost easy to transport semi automated tunnel boring machines for military use,....

I think key for us there is developing relatively low cost, relatively easy to transport weapons systems of all kinds, with relatively low cost modern tech (average of $2000-$3000 worth of computers, sensors,...), with a high emphasis on developing advanced user friendly Iranian software because software is something you pay to develop once and you simply download it on as many devices you plan on producing.

 

[arashkamangir]

200km would require fighter jets or a relatively large number of Supersonic UCAV's as interceptors and if we declare a 200km no fly zone without the proper weapons systems to properly enforce it then we are simply asking to be attacked and embarrassed and their fighters don't need to get within 200km to attack us so they'll simply adapt for a short time and use more expensive weapons for high value targets until all our main SAM's are gone so even if we could enforce 200km it really wouldn't matter so without interceptors and wiliness to down them beyond 200km it wouldn't matter.
That's why I say it's best to stick to intercepting incoming projectiles with low cost passive early warning systems that would allow us to inform our guys of a pending attack so they can take cover or...…
As for the Optical Raad system it's a low cost system Iran can improve upon by allowing it to have field experience We can see it's flaws, see what countermeasures get used against them, improve the system and our guys can learn how best to use it on a modern battlefield against real weapons.

Plus our guys just need to adapt to tactics they already know and adapt to using more covert methods & or countermeasures to better hide our troop deployments....

Right now in Syria we have the opportunity to develop and improve on systems that can helps us better protect our troops and facilities against incoming projectiles in the future and we also have the opportunity to develop, test & learn how to best use various weapon systems from low cost cruise missiles to building and learning how to better use armed remotely controlled UGV's of all sizes, UAV's, UCAV's, Quad's,... to developing smaller low cost easy to transport semi automated tunnel boring machines for military use,....

I think key for us there is developing relatively low cost, relatively easy to transport weapons systems of all kinds, with relatively low cost modern tech (average of $2000-$3000 worth of computers, sensors,...), with a high emphasis on developing advanced user friendly Iranian software because software is something you pay to develop once and you simply download it on as many devices you plan on producing.

We also need to test our systems against small diameter bombs. These weapons are cheap and can strike from 100 km away with low RCS and they have proven successful to some extent against Syrian air defence.

 

[VEVAK]

We also need to test our systems against small diameter bombs. These weapons are cheap and can strike from 100 km away with low RCS and they have proven successful to some extent against Syrian air defence.

Most mid to long ranged Air Surveillance radars and early warning systems clear SDB's as clutter due to their size and speed so you need a advanced independent SHORAD systems to counter them with radars and early warning systems set to detect & track objects as small and as slow as birds with optical radars & sensors that can quickly detect and engage multiple targets coming at you from different directions

And Syria allows Iran test out it's systems and address flaws both in equipment and in the way they are operated for example Iran's optical Raad system without a fast acting turret may be useless independently & easily counter by two SDB's coming at it from two different headings and a fighters heading detected by Early Warning systems may have no relevance on the heading of the projectile once within your range.
Iran may also be able to test out it's various configuration of the Mesbah against the SDB for example it might be better to put the guns further together or further apart or use 30mm instead or build a faster more automated system.....

At the end of the day it's an opportunity to test and improve on our systems and tactics based and the weapons systems and tactics they use and learn what weapon systems works best against what and what systems need improvement & what systems are completely useless and need to be either replaced or redesigned. That way we can make our enemies pay for a large portion of our weapons testing and improve our systems against real weapons

 

[Flag_Combo]

You guys waste time discussing how many of this or that we need to build. ffs stop wasting resources and build the ultimate survival weapon and NOTHING else can replace that.

 

[raptor22]

@VEVAK
I didn't mean nothing has done there but we have much more to do.

Don't mean to be rude, but what do you suggest then?

Israels ability to strike Iran in Syria will be diminished as soon as Syria gets those s-300s, so maybe Iran can step up troop and equipment deployment to Syria.

I wouldn't count that much on S300 , not reliable ...

 

[mohsen]

Terrorists are freaking out:
UAE ambassador asks how allies will defend country from Iran's missiles?

and U.S answers this way:
U.S. Pulling Some Missile-Defense Systems Out of Mideast

 

[Aramagedon]

You guys waste time discussing how many of this or that we need to build. ffs stop wasting resources and build the ultimate survival weapon and NOTHING else can replace that.

Nuclear weapons is our last option to be unveiled.
As long as an NPT country we look for peaceful aspects of nuclear energy

Terrorists are freaking out:
UAE ambassador asks how allies will defend country from Iran's missiles?

and U.S answers this way:
U.S. Pulling Some Missile-Defense Systems Out of Mideast

I doubt US will defend Arab countries. At best it will sell them weapons.

 

[zectech]

Terrorists are freaking out:
UAE ambassador asks how allies will defend country from Iran's missiles?

and U.S answers this way:
U.S. Pulling Some Missile-Defense Systems Out of Mideast

US told Saddam he could invade Kuwait without US going crazy and starting a Gulf War.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/09/wikileaks-april-glaspie-and-saddam-hussein/

In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did."

Washington wants to bait Iran to strike the UAE and then run to the UN to start a war with Putin's approval.

 

[VEVAK]

@VEVAK
I didn't mean nothing has done there but we have much more to do.

I wouldn't count that much on S300 , not reliable ...

Iran has invested a lot of money there and they are one of 6 Free Trade zones, they have various ports including major shipping port, various industries,... that put together gives them the 3-4th larges (GDP) out of 31 provinces. The area has 20 universities with a population of 4 Million in Khuzestan.
In terms of infrastructure the number of dams Iran's built in Khuzestan province alone in the past 20 years is amazing and I only showed a picture of one, the number of industries and factories built there by the Iranian government just in the past 2 decades alone! And in terms of politics Shamkhani who is one of the top figures in Iran is an Iranian Arab from Ahwaz on top of bunch of their own reps in the parliament.
Fact is if living there was so bad rather than risking their own lives they would have simply moved to UAE or Kuwait... These people have delusion of being kings!

Don't get me wrong the people of Baluchistan have every right to complain about the lack of progress in their province but that is simply not the case in Khuzestan because the Iranian government has invested large amounts of money there

Now if the people of the section below are upset then they have every right to be and Iran should NOT have over 1/3 of it's Persian Gulf coastline undeveloped or underdeveloped and progress there has been much slower than it should be

 

[zectech]

What would be the cost of a war with the United States to Iran's national budget, if it would double the 14 Billion dollars spent for defense, then just double 14 billion to 28 billion spent on defense and not attack.

Spend the extra 14 billion for the year on R&D, more missiles, more ADS, more tanks and equipment, for the next year.

Even dropping out of the JCPOA and getting a nuke within months (something Washington actually opposes) would be smarter than falling for a terrorist attack. Look at what happened to the Austro-Hungarian Empire after the assassination terrorist attack by the Serbian black hand.

Iran doing what is right and what is in their sense of justice, is not always what is best and right for Iran when there are other good choices.

Now if Iran expects a war with Washington in the next 10 years. Better to drop the JCPOA and gets nukes ASAP to keep Iran free and in peace. Then Iran can strike UAE without the West's intervention, possessing a large arsenal of nuclear weapons to keep Washington at bay.

 

[PeeD]

200km would require fighter jets or a relatively large number of Supersonic UCAV's as interceptors and if we declare a 200km no fly zone without the proper weapons systems to properly enforce it then we are simply asking to be attacked and embarrassed and their fighters don't need to get within 200km to attack us so they'll simply adapt for a short time and use more expensive weapons for high value targets until all our main SAM's are gone so even if we could enforce 200km it really wouldn't matter so without interceptors and wiliness to down them beyond 200km it wouldn't matter.
That's why I say it's best to stick to intercepting incoming projectiles with low cost passive early warning systems that would allow us to inform our guys of a pending attack so they can take cover or...…
As for the Optical Raad system it's a low cost system Iran can improve upon by allowing it to have field experience We can see it's flaws, see what countermeasures get used against them, improve the system and our guys can learn how best to use it on a modern battlefield against real weapons.

Plus our guys just need to adapt to tactics they already know and adapt to using more covert methods & or countermeasures to better hide our troop deployments....

Right now in Syria we have the opportunity to develop and improve on systems that can helps us better protect our troops and facilities against incoming projectiles in the future and we also have the opportunity to develop, test & learn how to best use various weapon systems from low cost cruise missiles to building and learning how to better use armed remotely controlled UGV's of all sizes, UAV's, UCAV's, Quad's,... to developing smaller low cost easy to transport semi automated tunnel boring machines for military use,....

I think key for us there is developing relatively low cost, relatively easy to transport weapons systems of all kinds, with relatively low cost modern tech (average of $2000-$3000 worth of computers, sensors,...), with a high emphasis on developing advanced user friendly Iranian software because software is something you pay to develop once and you simply download it on as many devices you plan on producing.

My campaign concept has some problems with stand-off weapons but for that I have 100mm Sarir as first defense and 23mm Mesbah-2 as last defense. Tabas and 3rd Khordad would not waste their missiles against SDB like targets.

One dumb 100mm round for each SDB is the goal and if no interception is achieved, a Mesbah whole battery burst.

The new parade statement goes that there is a new missile for the 3rd Khordad that gives it 105km range which is a 210km large no flight zone circle. I doubt SDBs would reach 80km at highest altitude and speed release.

So remain the expensive powered PGMs and CMs. For such high priority targets I count in four 100mm round and 60 23mm rounds for a high PK kill. How much of such a US or Israeli strike could be intercepted in my scenario? Hundreds...

As for optical Raad: the IRGC-ASF favors 100mm Sarir AAA over it but probably a great ambush weapon.

 

[arashkamangir]

My campaign concept has some problems with stand-off weapons but for that I have 100mm Sarir as first defense and 23mm Mesbah-2 as last defense. Tabas and 3rd Khordad would not waste their missiles against SDB like targets.

One dumb 100mm round for each SDB is the goal and if no interception is achieved, a Mesbah whole battery burst.

The new parade statement goes that there is a new missile for the 3rd Khordad that gives it 105km range which is a 210km large no flight zone circle. I doubt SDBs would reach 80km at highest altitude and speed release.

So remain the expensive powered PGMs and CMs. For such high priority targets I count in four 100mm round and 60 23mm rounds for a high PK kill. How much of such a US or Israeli strike could be intercepted in my scenario? Hundreds...

As for optical Raad: the IRGC-ASF favors 100mm Sarir AAA over it but probably a great ambush weapon.

It's best to deploy diverse solutions in case of system failures, hiccups and saturation. How many targets can each solution engage at once?

Also wouldn't Sayyad 3 make sense to be the 105 km missile for 3rd of Khordad? They are already utilizing Sayyad 2.


Regardless, I really want these systems to get field tested. Iran should deploy them as soon as Syria's S-300 systems arrive and operationalize.