How Saudi Arabia is pushing for war

[Hack-Hook]

Lebanon had NOTHING to do with Iran. You decided to implant a foreign army into that country and then topple its government by killing ministers.

You are a terrorist state hell bent on regional hegemony. You wanted to surround us. You took over Lebanon, you funded Islamic Jihad/Hamas, you made Syria a dependency and tried your best to court Egypt so you could surround Israel.

You absolute bastards.

And you have the audacity to pretend like it's some altruistic move by Iran.

You have destroyed Lebanon. It would have been a beacon of freedom without Iran's tentacles.

What you've done to Lebanon angers me more than almost anything else. Without YOUR shitty country, Israel and Lebanon by now would be good friends with trade and tourism.

Oh, I understand .
you failed to answer me so resorted to lies .

 

[Yeti]

Usually, Oliver's view tends more extreme than the Neo-cons.

As for the lady, the story is true, however, the lady didn't take Saddam seriously at all in the sense that she thought Saddam will resort to a military action.

Another thing that instigated Saddam on Kuwait was that the Kuwaitis asked Saddam to pay Kuwait's debit immediately.

You know another messed up thing I saw on that docu was they had this Iraqi girl's Nayirah Testimony which later turned out to be fake and never even happened.

 

[Panther 57]

Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was a great game. US asked Iraq to invade Kuwait. Objective was to get bases in KSA. When Saddam invaded Kuwait. US fabricated a story that Iraq is soon going to attack KSA also. To substantiate their claim they showed fake images also. KSA in order to obtain security allowed US to have bases. When US got their boots on KSA soil, their objective was achieved and asked Iraq to retrieve. That is how Kuwait was retaken without a single bullet fired.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

You know another messed up thing I saw on that docu was they had this Iraqi girl's Nayirah Testimony which later turned out to be fake and never even happened.

So are we on the same page bro?

 

[Yeti]

So are we on the same page bro?

Yeah it was just a interesting docu for me to see, I saw all the parts and never knew things like how Ford motor company was supporting the Nazis and stuff.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Saudi Arabia is a puppet of the Yankee regime. The Yankees want to destabilise Xinjiang to collapse the CPC. The Saudi thugs are behind the scenes assisting the Yankees to spread Islamic extremism in China.

Saudi Arabia is an enemy of China. Just because we get oil from them doesn't mean they are our friend, they are a state sponsor of terror that spreads Islamic extremism globally.

The terrorists in Xinjiang have more link with the Pan-Turkism, they killed other Muslims as well.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Yeah it was just a interesting docu for me to see, I saw all the parts and never knew things like how Ford motor company was supporting the Nazis and stuff.

Great, I'm sure you will apply the same on Assad by now. After all, The world doesn't come in black and white only.

The terrorists of Xinjiang have more link with the Pan-Turkism, they killed other Muslims as well.

How could the tiny Saudi Arabia messes with a country which makes nearly the third of world population people need to get real and serious.

 

[Karachiite]

War in the middle east is great for Saudi Arabia and its master USA.

 

[T-123456]

War in the middle east is great for Saudi Arabia and its master USA.

BS,if you cant cope with it its allways master what a bs statement.
Just get over it!

 

[T-123456]

The terrorists in Xinjiang have more link with the Pan-Turkism, they killed other Muslims as well.

What you babbling about,when did you ever hear my government talk about pan-Turism in Xinjiang?
They have no link with no one,we dont mess with Chinese internal affairs.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What you babbling about,when did you ever hear my government talk about pan-Turism in Xinjiang?
They have no link with no one,we dont mess with Chinese internal affairs.

I didn't say that the govt of Turkey is promoting Pan-Turkism, but these terrorists are Pan-Turkist supremacists, it is a fact.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

War in the middle east is great for Saudi Arabia and its master USA.

Says it a Canadian

 

[Wholegrain]

Saudi Arabia is a close ally of the US, but it is no puppet. Please read the history of ups and downs of US-Saudi relations:
Saudi Arabia

Do you have any source for this claim that Saudi's are assisting the US to spread extremism? After 9/11, as far as I know the US and Saudi govt. are working hard to eliminate extremism. Some private individuals from some gulf nations may send funds, but their govt. is not involved.

Russia and Afghanistan | Institute for the Study of War


And Uyghur's are not very religious, I have been to Xinjiang several times, they drink quite a bit. Its more of an ethnic nationalism problem for Uyghur's only, not an Islamic extremism problem. And this problem will go away with time, since most of the new generation are learning Chinese as a 2nd language at school, which will help them get jobs more easily. Language barrier was and is one of their biggest problem to work in Chinese govt. jobs or private Chinese owned businesses.

Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia, the 3 biggest Muslim majority countries have close relations with China, and they don't support Uyghur separatist activities, nor do the Central Asian Turkic states, Turkey or Arab countries. Rebiya Kadeer is a trouble maker, she understand very little about world geopolitics and some clueless short sighted overseas Uyghur follow her unfortunately. She is not welcome in most Muslim countries. I think only Turkey allows them to visit, but this is due to Turkey's internal politics I think, due to Pan-Turkic nationalism, and I doubt they provide them with any material support, other than letting them stay.

Some criminals will cause trouble from time to time, so Chinese govt. have to have a patient measured response, otherwise the West will use human rights issue to put pressure on China.

@Wholegrain your kind opinion please.

The Ikhwan (Yihewani) movement in Ningxia and Gansu among the Hui is inspired by Abdel Wahhab and it is supported by the Chinese government, the Salars and Hui in Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai are much more religious than the Uyghurs and the Ikhwan and Salafiyya sects are allowed to practice openly even though some of the Sufis don't like them and speak out and rail against them in writing. There is no separatism among them. There is diversity among the Hui and Salar in the northwest provinces, with Sufis, Ikhwan, Salafiyya, and ordinary Sunnis and they take their religion very seriously. Ikhwan and Salafiya are both "wahhabi" inspired.

Hui in eastern provinces are less religious and some don't practice Islam properly.

In certain countries Salafi or wahhabi is a dirty word like in Russia where the Russian government openly sponsors Sufis and pits them against Wahhabis/Salafis, since Russia blames the insurgency on them. In China, there is no such thing, the Sufis, Salafiyya and ordinary Sunnis all are members of the Islamic Association of China and get equal representation in Ningxia people's congress. There is no favoring of one sect. The government sees them all as Sunni Muslims.

There used to be sectarian violence between Sufis and between Sufis and Salafi inspired movements in the 18th-20th centuries. Jahriyya Sufis fighting against Khufiyya Sufis in 1781, and sporadic anti-Ikhwan violence among ordinary Sunnis in the early 20th century. All that has stopped now because of strong central government control. They can only attack each other in speech and writing.

Uyghurs aren't into that kind of thing, the religious sect they follow has nothing to do with separatist issues. It is mostly nationalist

I'm going to be offline for a period, I'm busy with other things and I just came back to check in.

 

[sahaliyan]

The Ikhwan (Yihewani) movement in Ningxia and Gansu among the Hui is inspired by Abdel Wahhab and it is supported by the Chinese government, the Salars and Hui in Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai are much more religious than the Uyghurs and the Ikhwan and Salafiyya sects are allowed to practice openly even though some of the Sufis don't like them and speak out and rail against them in writing. There is no separatism among them. There is diversity among the Hui and Salar in the northwest provinces, with Sufis, Ikhwan, Salafiyya, and ordinary Sunnis and they take their religion very seriously. Ikhwan and Salafiya are both "wahhabi" inspired.

Hui in eastern provinces are less religious and some don't practice Islam properly.

In certain countries Salafi or wahhabi is a dirty word like in Russia where the Russian government openly sponsors Sufis and pits them against Wahhabis/Salafis, since Russia blames the insurgency on them. In China, there is no such thing, the Sufis, Salafiyya and ordinary Sunnis all are members of the Islamic Association of China and get equal representation in Ningxia people's congress. There is no favoring of one sect. The government sees them all as Sunni Muslims.

There used to be sectarian violence between Sufis and between Sufis and Salafi inspired movements in the 18th-20th centuries. Jahriyya Sufis fighting against Khufiyya Sufis in 1781, and sporadic anti-Ikhwan violence among ordinary Sunnis in the early 20th century. All that has stopped now because of strong central government control. They can only attack each other in speech and writing.

Uyghurs aren't into that kind of thing, the religious sect they follow has nothing to do with separatist issues. It is mostly nationalist

I'm going to be offline for a period, I'm busy with other things and I just came back to check in.

In China,Ikhwan and Salafi are different sect,though both are nspired by Abdel Wahhab,but Ikhwani movement follow the Hanifi just like the sunni Chinese,and they deny the connection with wahabiyya.the salafiyya known as santai(三抬）by others,because when they pray,they will up their hands three times,and some followers of Ikhwani movement view salafis as kafirs

 

[Wholegrain]

In China,Ikhwan and Salafi are different sect,though both are nspired by Abdel Wahhab,but Ikhwani movement follow the Hanifi just like the sunni Chinese,and they deny the connection with wahabiyya.the salafiyya known as santai(三抬）by others,because when they pray,they will up their hands three times,and some followers of Ikhwani movement view salafis as kafirs

I know that, the Ikhwan nowadays are very close to ordinary Hanafi Sunnis, but the original Ikhwan founder brought over entire Hanbali Fiqh books from Mecca even though he continued to claim to be Hanafi. Then the violence between ordinary Hanafi Sunnis and the Ikhwan started and they fought each other. But after the Ma warlords and Imams like Hu Songshan reformed the Ikwan, and when the Civil War Ended, the Ikwan began synchronizing itself into the Hanafi Sunni mainstream.

Then the Salafiyya Imams came back from Mecca and the Ikhwan openly repudiated them and their teachings, and criticized them. Then the Salafis established themselves as a separate sect. Also Sufi Imams still attack and criticize the Salafiya.

We really shouldn't be discussing religion in here and end it now, it is a banned topic on this forum. And it is off topic too for this thread.