How religion spread around the world

[Varunastra]

Yes, at most what can be said is current hinduism is inspired by vedics but is no where near it in practice nor in belief.
The ancient vedic belief came from Andronovo culture and its precedent cultures in steppes(upper west Asia) and came to declining indus valley era with the slow migration process over 100s of years.
Vedics believed in many deities but their main god was a sky god. ram shiva vishnu etc. werent their gods.. Further more vedics did not believe in Karma but they believed in Afterlife. There are mass graves in Pakistan from that era unearthed . They never cremated their dead like hindus do today, nor they held in high regards the identifiers like cow other items which hindus do today .It did not have any caste system. No excavations point to any hindu god you worship.


Vedic religion changed over time into Brahmanism ( 800BCE---200BCE) which was again very different from contemporary Hinduism. It adopted a lot of new things as it spread outside the indus valley all the way upto eastern end of ganges. The non-Vedic indo-aryan sramana traditions came into being. This is when we started seeing temples, dot head sculptors. Sramna traditions gave birth to new concepts like Jainism and later Buddhism. The gods were still not shiva vishnu, ganesh or ram until Indo-Scythians attacked Ganges,, and local brahmans disowned their post-vedic deities and adopted gods of local Australasian people. This was when the Smrata tradition was born and starts the era of classic Hinduism (200 BC--1000AD) which is much closer than the hinduism you practice today as this is when all the hindu denominations were born. Dating of your oldest hymns is subject to speculation as they were only word of mouth until the classic era when they were put down as record. Most of which you chant but dont understand. What you call Devas like indra are closest to the vedic sky god but hindus dont worship it. Therefore its a unanimous agreement among scholars that vedic belief is different from contemporary hinduism.

This video in OP misrepresents the early vedic era as hinduism

Religion of vedic period is Hinduism. You find all the devas that we worship and revere as gods in the vedas. Like Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra. Cows, cattle, horses were held in high regard same as today's Hindus. Dyaus Pita might have fallen out of favour for modern Hindus but he is very much part of our pantheon. So what if our religion and our understanding evolved with time with various influences, that doesn't make vedic religion not Hinduism, vedas were written in the subcontinent there is no mention of foreign lands. The vedas are literally the holiest of Hindu texts. Religion of the Indus valley very much also influenced our modern day Hinduism as it is very much still Hinduism even if the civilization fell, there is Shiva Pashupati whom they worshipped. Everything is part of Brahman, which is a vedic concept, each and every deity is part of the same just taking on different forms. Even you and me are part of the same supreme, that's why Hindus pray when they step on someone else out of respect for the supreme being.

 

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Religion of vedic period is Hinduism. You find all the devas that we worship and revere as gods in the vedas. Like Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra. Cows, cattle, horses were held in high regard same as today's Hindus. Dyaus Pita might have fallen out of favour for modern Hindus but he is very much part of our pantheon. So what if our religion and our understanding evolved with time with various influences, that doesn't make vedic religion not Hinduism, vedas were written in the subcontinent there is no mention of foreign lands. The vedas are literally the holiest of Hindu texts. Religion of the Indus valley very much also influenced our modern day Hinduism as it is very much still Hinduism even if the civilization fell, there is Shiva Pashupati whom they worshipped. Everything is part of Brahman, which is a vedic concept, each and every deity is part of the same just taking on different forms. Even you and me are part of the same supreme, that's why Hindus pray when they step on someone else out of respect for the supreme being.

Such myths of associating vedic era god to current people happens here in Pakistan as well. Our Kalash people live in the cradle of Gandhara civilization and have dezau god they worship which is considered a vedic era diety however its difficult to prove and funny they dont call it indra or share any of your devas....Same goes for you folks..Your historians try to leech on to vedic era to make your religion relevant as "one of the oldest" while i just proved in my last post that the actual hinduism only started around the time of Christianity , Judaism is 1100 -1300year older than hinduism and then there were some hymns that you associate to yourself to become an " ancestor creed " of other beliefs in the region . Sanatana dharma is just a way to encompass any other beliefs in the region and call them a part,in modern day its how you label sikh as hindu in your constitution, however we know a very strong opposition exists for it from every section within your country. ... Zoroastrianism Jainism and Buddhism existed before your religion and they were also inspired by vedic just like yours, so you are not special here here to claim vedic to yourself and be the chief.


Vedics worshipped something else..you worship something else. Its just a click away ..you cant fool people here..in your books indra considered heros only. a quarter of hymns are on it yet. hindus dont worship indra...its just a click away. .what about brahma even brahma is rarely worshipped.. you will find your own people fighting over it.. .

Lastly Indus valley religion is unkown so dont even go there and make a fool of yourself..Just acknowledge when was vedas written and thats where hindusim was actually born.
If we start propagating our beliefs as world history than muslims consider the first human being on earth Adam as muslim.... you shouldnt use rig vedas words to prove a point but actual facts on ground..

And dont count me as part of your creed .I have nothing to do with your creed. Im a staunch Muslim alhamdolillah.
But funny you will tell me im following a foreign religion while i just proved you about central asian vedic roots in last post which you people call indigenous.. Funny, doomed if you own vedic doomed if you dont..

 

[Goritoes]

Proud to be a follower of the oldest surviving major religion proud to be Hindu!

You do know that Adam A.S the first man was a Prophet of Islam, the message start from him and ended with Prophet Muhammad PBUH, so Islam is the oldest religion here.

 

[Varunastra]

Such myths of associating vedic era god to current people happens here in Pakistan as well. Our Kalash people live in the cradle of Gandhara civilization and have dezau god they worship which is considered a vedic era diety however its difficult to prove and funny they dont call it indra or share any of your devas....Same goes for you folks..Your historians try to leech on to vedic era to make your religion relevant as "one of the oldest" while i just proved in my last post that the actual hinduism only started around the time of Christianity , Judaism is 1100 -1300year older than hinduism and then there were some hymns that you associate to yourself to become an " ancestor creed " of other beliefs in the region . Sanatana dharma is just a way to encompass any other beliefs in the region and call them a part,in modern day its how you label sikh as hindu in your constitution, however we know a very strong opposition exists for it from every section within your country. ... Zoroastrianism Jainism and Buddhism existed before your religion and they were also inspired by vedic just like yours, so you are not special here here to claim vedic to yourself and be the chief.


Vedics worshipped something else..you worship something else. Its just a click away ..you cant fool people here..in your books indra considered heros only. a quarter of hymns are on it yet. hindus dont worship indra...its just a click away. .what about brahma even brahma is rarely worshipped.. you will find your own people fighting over it.. .

Lastly Indus valley religion is unkown so dont even go there and make a fool of yourself..Just acknowledge when was vedas written and thats where hindusim was actually born.
If we start propagating our beliefs as world history than muslims consider the first human being on earth Adam as muslim.... you shouldnt use rig vedas words to prove a point but actual facts on ground..

And dont count me as part of your creed .I have nothing to do with your creed. Im a staunch Muslim alhamdolillah.
But funny you will tell me im following a foreign religion while i just proved you about central asian vedic roots in last post which you people call indigenous.. Funny, doomed if you own vedic doomed if you dont..

Vedic society was very much revolving around yajnas and purity through fire, chanting mantras which would be indistinguishable from modern Hindu rituals, not to forget the usage of Sanskrit that still continues.
Vedas are our holiest book and vedic teachings along with it, Study of the vedas were always of utmost importance to Hindu society, Please don't make a fool of yourself here.
Lord Indra is one of the most famous Devas, everyone knows who Lord Indra is and revere him, you can see Lord Indra along with the other Devas in each and every Hindu religious tv serial, any Hindu here will tell you the same, how can you be so blind lol, yes we have many Gods with our Trimurti Gods having highest status but doesn't mean we don't respect and believe in Indra. Just because some religions are rigid and don't evolve with time doesn't mean all are like that. Also Brahma is not worshipped due to a curse by Lord Shiva.
Dude with your logic all humans came from Africa so we are all following African religion? omg lol. Doesn't matter if people migrated from outside of India, what matters is that the culture is indigenous.
Also don't get touchy when I explain a concept with an example, I am hindu, you are a Muslim, I know our boundaries.
I respect your beliefs so should you, don't get into a hissy fit trying to prove what is and is not Hinduism, leave that to the people actually following the religion. We and the rest of the world believes we are the oldest continuing Major religion, knowing that shouldn't bother you. Thank you! .

You do know that Adam A.S the first man was a Prophet of Islam, the message start from him and ended with Prophet Muhammad PBUH, so Islam is the oldest religion here.

Good for you mate, I can respect that belief, to each their own I suppose.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

 

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Vedic society was very much revolving around yajnas and purity through fire, chanting mantras which would be indistinguishable from modern Hindu rituals,

evidence? zoroastrians can claim the same thing. infact their case is much stronger than you...but again you fail to provide evidence to prove your point.

not to forget the usage of Sanskrit that still continues.

how are we supposed to know the ancient vedic language was indeed sanskrit? Many say it was more closer to avestan..Afterall it was the llingo tin the ancient BMAC region and that region played role in the aryan migration.Or Kharoshti!
The oldest written form of Sanskrit which you call "Vedic Sanskrit" dates back to the 1st millennium BCE (well outside the vedic times).How will you nullify my hypothesis that sanskrit didnt exist before that?

Vedas are our holiest book and vedic teachings along with it, Study of the vedas were always of utmost importance to Hindu society, Please don't make a fool of yourself here.

thats why your practice goes against vedas
nobody understands the chants
translations dont match as many addendums were made by people,
decoding Vedas using modern Sanskrit is nearly impossible.
you are discouraged to understand it but just worship it.

Lord Indra is one of the most famous Devas, everyone knows who Lord Indra is and revere him, you can see Lord Indra along with the other Devas in each and every Hindu religious tv serial, any Hindu here will tell you the same, how can you be so blind lol, yes we have many Gods with our Trimurti Gods having highest status but doesn't mean we don't respect and believe in Indra. Just because some religions are rigid and don't evolve with time doesn't mean all are like that. Also Brahma is not worshipped due to a curse by Lord Shiva.

not following a god that was probably closest to a vedic god or Brahminism god in description means you want to have best of both worlds, claim vedic as hinduism / ur ancestral religion and at the same time select gods that validate your other books.
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Dude with your logic all humans came from Africa so we are all following African religion? omg lol. Doesn't matter if people migrated from outside of India, what matters is that the culture is indigenous.

i dont understand how it fits in here...the vedic culture only formulated after getting in touch with beliefs from Andronovo culture.there was no vedic culture before their role.

Also don't get touchy when I explain a concept with an example, I am hindu, you are a Muslim, I know our boundaries.
I respect your beliefs so should you, don't get into a hissy fit trying to prove what is and is not Hinduism, leave that to the people actually following the religion. We and the rest of the world believes we are the oldest continuing Major religion, knowing that shouldn't bother you. Thank you! .

I respect your belief as well..if you think you have connection with vedics good for you .its ur belief .but dont impose it on the rest of the world to agree on this as well.
If you see most of the encyclopedia they refer vedic belief as vedic not hinduism except a few which are of course not the best and influenced in a way and is history revisionism. You need to fix the latter ones regardless what you believe..Hinduism is not the oldest belief .... oldest belief is a topic which no one can prove Its a waste of time and energy until languages older than sanskrit can be decoded.
You believe in "mythical history" ive been talking about established history..There is no comparison.. Something which is not clear i say i dont know...however you will claim it to be tied to your belief..

 

[gulli]

and how is that!!

Vedas believe in left hand drive n hindus in right hand drive

 

[Varunastra]

evidence? zoroastrians can claim the same thing. infact their case is much stronger than you...but again you fail to provide evidence to prove your point.


how are we supposed to know the ancient vedic language was indeed sanskrit? Many say it was more closer to avestan..Afterall it was the llingo tin the ancient BMAC region and that region played role in the aryan migration.
The oldest written form of Sanskrit which you call "Vedic Sanskrit" dates back to the 1st millennium BCE (well outside the vedic times).How will you nullify my hypothesis that sanskrit didnt exist before that?


thats why your practice goes against vedas
nobody understands the chants
translations dont match as many addendums were made by people,
decoding Vedas using modern Sanskrit is nearly impossible.
you are discouraged to understand it but just worship it.


not following a god that was probably closest to a vedic god or Brahminism god in description means you want to have best of both worlds, claim vedic as hinduism / ur ancestral religion and at the same time select gods that validate your other books.
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i dont understand how it fits in here...the vedic culture only formulated after getting in touch with beliefs from Andronovo culture.there was no vedic culture before their role.

I respect your belief as well..if you think you have connection with vedics good for you .its ur belief .but dont impose it on the rest of the world to agree on this as well.
If you see most of the encyclopedia they refer vedic belief as vedic not hinduism except a few which are of course not the best and influenced in a way and is history revisionism. You need to fix the latter ones regardless what you believe..Hinduism is not the oldest belief .... oldest belief is a topic which no one can prove Its a waste of time and energy until languages older than sanskrit can be decoded.
You believe in "mythical history" ive been talking about established history..There is no comparison.. Something which is not clear i say i dont know...however you will claim it to be tied to your belief..

I'm not imposing my belief on anyone mate, just stating what the majority of the world believes, the video for this thread was not an Indian source. Just search for world's oldest religion in Google and see the results for yourself. Yeah you are right many claims I guess can't be a 100% proven but it's good enough for most Hindus and non-Hindus alike. Let's just agree to disagree on vedic discussion. You'll be hard pressed to find a Hindu who doesn't hold the same views as I do, we hold our vedas and our link to vedic society in high regard.
If you choose to not believe that's fine by me but let's not crusade that on Hindus shall we?

 

[Jazzbot]

Sad to see the global spread of Islam kind of slowed down or stopped after 1500 or so AD. This is where the age of discovery started and Christianity had spread all across the world and as a result became the largest religion in the world.