How Pakistani-Americans are entering interfaith and interracial marriages — and making them work

[Vazir]

Just like the 2 women witness to 1 male witness? Just curiously asking

Exactly. And if you are going to invoke the false theory that women are not as smart as men scientifically, don't.

 

[Manama]

Just like the 2 women witness to 1 male witness? Just curiously asking

Its people acting with double standards tbh.
In Quran it is said that men can't marry their mothers, sisters, aunts, nieces etc. We use this verse and determine that if men can't marry those then women can't marry their fathers, brothers, uncles and nephews.

Similarly Quran says men can marry pious christian women , jew women and other people of the book, yet people here hesitate to say that, that would mean women can marry christian men, jew men and other people of the book. I had a debate on it with various islamic teachers. They had no answer lol

 

[El Sidd]

Exactly. And if you are going to invoke the false theory that women are not as smart as men scientifically, don't.

I won't.

That theory is as equal as to the theory both are equal. So no harm in formulating a theory as long as no one makes it a fact and start shoving down peoples throats and mind.

 

[Manama]

Exactly. And if you are going to invoke the false theory that women are not as smart as men scientifically, don't.

that 2 women to 1 man isn't about being smart either, but it has to do with blackmailing. That it was easy to blackmail and force women to give false testimonies by taking family as hostage while there were less chances of doing same to men that is why Prophet specifically said "so if one forgets other can remind her"
also this was for financial matters only. smh

 

[El Sidd]

Its people acting with double standards tbh.
In Quran it is said that men can't marry their mothers, sisters, aunts, nieces etc. We use this verse and determine that if men can't marry those then women can't marry their fathers, brothers, uncles and nephews.

Similarly Quran says men can marry pious christian women , jew women and other people of the book, yet people here hesitate to say that, that would mean women can marry christian men, jew men and other people of the book. I had a debate on it with various islamic teachers. They had no answer lol

Marriage is a contract between two consulting adults where you take God as a witness amongst your affair.

And i will not indulge in any religious debate as to what why and when about the stated statement.

Religious discussion is not allowed in the forum and I have little knowledge to tackle this. If you can lol an islamic teacher you can rofl me as well.

that 2 women to 1 man isn't about being smart either, but it has to do with blackmailing. That it was easy to blackmail and force women to give false testimonies by taking family as hostage while there were less chances of doing same to men that is why Prophet specifically said "so if one forgets other can remind her"
also this was for financial matters only. smh

As i said whatever the reasoning be it scientific in nature or financial or social or traditional or whatever I just asked a simple question and not an explanation.

 

[Manama]

As i said whatever the reasoning be it scientific in nature or financial or social or traditional or whatever I just asked a simple question and not an explanation

that wasn't about you tho.

Marriage is a contract between two consulting adults where you take God as a witness amongst your affair.

And i will not indulge in any religious debate as to what why and when about the stated statement.

Religious discussion is not allowed in the forum and I have little knowledge to tackle this. If you can lol an islamic teacher you can rofl me as well.

I am just saying a basic thing. People are quick to throw dirt on a married couple, just because of race, skin color, nationality or religion. The first three reasons are nonsense, the last one is easy and people use it as an excuse by picking up what they like and leaving what they don't.

Marriage is indeed between two consenting adults and God is their witness, people got no right to stick their nose where it doesn't belong

 

[I.R.A]

Meh, I like Quranists more than I like Salafists anyways!
:high5:

Every Muslim is Quranist (if by Quranist it means that we believe in Quran), but I am opposed to any label that distinguishes me separately from Muslims.

 

[Well.wisher]

And yet another tradition forbids you from keeping dogs. Just saying.



Okay Quranist? What does this term Quranist mean? So Muslims are not Quranist?

Well companions of Messenger (Peace be upon him) didn't have to believe in a tradition book called sahi Bukhari so don't know.



I am not opposing anything. Just removing the ambiguity.



Sidd Humans were not interfered with ......... if by DNA you are referring to fitrat .......... humans don't have any born fitrat and hence reason for sending guidance from time to time.

Don't act stupid , if a dog is prohibited to be kept as a pet doesn't mean that we're prohibited to show mercy to it .
God created everything , bad and good and he did forbid us from whatever he willed but he never ordered to judge his creation or treat his some creation badly .

Companions of prophet saww had themselves their prophet saww infront of them and other companions who used to discuss the hadiths of prophet saww so they didn't need a book but we , the other generation did need that so that's why the book was written by the will of Allah .

Why you've difficulty believing that a prostitute can be forgiven by God ? Do you not believe God's mercy and that his mercy embrace everything ?

You've some issues , I don't want to go further with you cause people like you want to play God and instead of teaching and preaching his mercy , you guys chose to preach his anger and you always are judgemental and doubting his mercy .

Plz don't quote me . Thanks .

 

[I.R.A]

Just a couple of quick points.

1) The companions didn't need a book of hadith because they themselves were living hadith just like they only felt the need to compile Quran due to loss of many companions to war and travel. The simple criteria for the Hadith is that it should withstand the test of time just like Quran has and they can be considered a useful interpretation of the Quran.

Sidd Quran wasn't compiled by companions but Messenger (Peace be upon him) made sure it got written and memorized in his time. Quran starts by calling itself a book.

I partially agree to second part only if that tradition is not in contradiction with Quran. There is a tradition that calls for killing of all black dogs, and then there is a tradition that says most of the hell dwellers would be women. The tragedy is we believe in traditions without even reading them.

2) DNA is a complex code which basically per-determines the course of action one would/might take. Now this is just my conjuncture based on whatever the research i have gone through. The basic building blocks of the DNA moreover can be loosely explained as to Qadr as well.

Cannot say much about DNA may be @Chauvinist can shed some light.

Just like the 2 women witness to 1 male witness? Just curiously asking

Good that you raised this point. First how many male witnesses are needed? Can one male be sufficient to be a witness? If no then there goes that discrimination against women out of the window. Second in those times and even today can a woman alone remain calm when standing witness in court room full of males? Wouldn't she wish her mother her sister or any women she knew was standing right next to her ............ hence the need for a moral support to female witness in form of another female.

 

[Vazir]

Don't act stupid , if a dog is prohibited to be kept as a pet doesn't mean that we're prohibited to show mercy to it .
God created everything , bad and good and he did forbid us from whatever he willed but he never ordered to judge his creation or treat his some creation badly .

Companions of prophet saww had themselves their prophet saww infront of them and other companions who used to discuss the hadiths of prophet saww so they didn't need a book but we , the other generation did need that so that's why the book was written by the will of Allah .

Why you've difficulty believing that a prostitute can be forgiven by God ? Do you not believe God's mercy and that his mercy embrace everything ?

You've some issues , I don't want to go further with you cause people like you want to play God and instead of teaching and preaching his mercy , you guys chose to preach his anger and you always are judgemental and doubting his mercy .

Plz don't quote me . Thanks .

I kept two dogs as pets before. Both times because they were too young to fend for themselves. I wasn't struck by lightning. No, sir, I wasn't. Care to explain that?

 

[I.R.A]

Don't act stupid , if a dog is prohibited to be kept as a pet doesn't mean that we're prohibited to show mercy to it .
God created everything , bad and good and he did forbid us from whatever he willed but he never ordered to judge his creation or treat his some creation badly .

First read the book you believe in .............. kill all the black dogs. Read about it.

Why you've difficulty believing that a prostitute can be forgiven by God ? Do you not believe God's mercy and that his mercy embrace everything ?

Well like any other traditionalist you had to come up with something ........... I can understand. And my discussion wasn't about forgiving or prostitutes ............ I have difficulty in understanding how ALL MIGHTY would let petty humans know who HE has forgiven and who HE hasn't.

 

[El Sidd]

Sidd Quran wasn't compiled by companions but Messenger (Peace be upon him) made sure it got written and memorized in his time. Quran starts by calling itself a book.

I partially agree to second part only if that tradition is not in contradiction with Quran. There is a tradition that calls for killing of all black dogs, and then there is a tradition that says most of the hell dwellers would be women. The tragedy is we believe in traditions without even reading them.




Cannot say much about DNA may be @Chauvinist can shed some light.




Good that you raised this point. First how many male witnesses are needed? Can one male be sufficient to be a witness? If no then there goes that discrimination against women out of the window. Second in those times and even today can a woman alone remain calm when standing witness in court room full of males? Wouldn't she wish her mother her sister or any women she knew was standing right next to her ............ hence the need for a moral support to female witness in form of another female.

I agree that Quran was always meant to be a book. Just like the 'Seerat' of Prophet was meant to be its implementation. Anything that goes against Quranic principles are not considered authentic enough to be considered Islamic to begin with.
There is a thorough process of determining the 'Hadith' and the literal meaning of the word Hadith should help you understand it much better.
And about dogs i literally have no idea nor i have witness such a hadith but as far as women is considered it again comes down to the interpretation. Women are generally greater in number and thus its simple math that would lead to explaining the hadith.
And it would be a gross misinterpretation if you start running around saying all women are evil and hell dwellers.
Islamic communities have not seen the Salem(witch) trials nor they have resorted to Christian doctrine of Eternal or First Sin which blames Eve as the first sinner or sort of.

Regarding your explanation as to why 2 vs 1 is quite apologetic and misogynist if you believe a women cannot hold her own in a room full of men.

 

[Well.wisher]

I kept two dogs as pets before. Both times because they were too young to fend for themselves. I wasn't struck by lightning. No, sir, I wasn't. Care to explain that?

I think you've enough brain to understand that feeding a hungry is an act of mercy appreciated by God .

 

[Vazir]

First read the book you believe in .............. kill all the black dogs. Read about it.



Well like any other traditionalist you had to come up with something ........... I can understand. And my discussion wasn't about forgiving or prostitutes ............ I have difficulty in understanding how ALL MIGHTY would let petty humans know who HE has forgiven and who HE hasn't.

There is nothing in Quran about black dogs.
There are a total of three mentions in Quran about dogs that I know about: 5:4, 7:176, and 18:18.

 

[I.R.A]

I agree that Quran was always meant to be a book. Just like the 'Seerat' of Prophet was meant to be its implementation. Anything that goes against Quranic principles are not considered authentic enough to be considered Islamic to begin with.
There is a thorough process of determining the 'Hadith' and the literal meaning of the word Hadith should help you understand it much better.
And about dogs i literally have no idea nor i have witness such a hadith but as far as women is considered it again comes down to the interpretation. Women are generally greater in number and thus its simple math that would lead to explaining the hadith.
And it would be a gross misinterpretation if you start running around saying all women are evil and hell dwellers.
Islamic communities have not seen the Salem(witch) trials nor they have resorted to Christian doctrine of Eternal or First Sin which blames Eve as the first sinner or sort of.

Sir I am not going into details again, I wish people could feel secure about what they believe in but somehow they don't feel that way.

My advice read the books you believe in and see for yourself, I have plenty of examples that I can quote with reference but again I will prefer you people read the Bukhari and others yourselves.

For more detailed discussion refer that locked thread in Seniors Section "Interpreting the holy Quran" it has plenty of material.

Regarding your explanation as to why 2 vs 1 is quite apologetic and misogynist if you believe a women cannot hold her own in a room full of men.

You can call it apologetic but it is based on real life realities. And I don't deny them.

There is nothing in Quran about black dogs.

It is in traditions book called Bukhari .......... you can use google or consult hard copy of Bukhari.

There is nothing in Quran about black dogs.

It's in Bukhari.