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Darky,

F-16 blk 52 and MLUed ones both are linked with Erieye through link 16. Where do you bring such crap from by the way?

and the mystery jammer onboard Su-30 is nothing more than a standard export Sorbatsya pod equipped with whole SU-27 series. From China to Malaysia, all possess them.
 
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Darky,

F-16 blk 52 and MLUed ones both are linked with Erieye through link 16. Where do you bring such crap from by the way?

and the mystery jammer onboard Su-30 is nothing more than a standard export Sorbatsya pod equipped with whole SU-27 series. From China to Malaysia, all possess them.

Su-30MKI is equipped with ELTA El/M-8222 Pods.
 
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Darky,

F-16 blk 52 and MLUed ones both are linked with Erieye through link 16. Where do you bring such crap from by the way?

and the mystery jammer onboard Su-30 is nothing more than a standard export Sorbatsya pod equipped with whole SU-27 series. From China to Malaysia, all possess them.

Elta EL/M-8222 a self-protection jammer developed by Israel Aircraft Industries is the MKI's standard EW pod, which the Israeli Air Force uses on its F-15s.
Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

please read something about what you are posting before you post it.
 
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It's not an irony how you jumped from RAFALE to MKI, it's just you! Well, we have all that we need to counter 200 MKI plus whatever else IAF has currently and we will continue to grow capability to counter IAF within our airspace.

You find that irony while there has been 66 pages and as many as 1000 posts regarding this... that's the amount of understanding you have.

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Disregarding your personal attacks, have a look at the RCS of MKI with even 4 Missiles, JF-17 will spot it without an AWEACS at a distance of 120km (perhaps even more with current upgrades), the MKI with its massive radar and RCS is also a massive homing beacon for capable missiles. In this way, JFT will spot the MKI at a similar distance that MKI will spot the JFT at. Fortunately for us, we are armed with missiles a lot more capable then anything you have.

And it is as of now, unlike your imagination of Zhuk-ASE on MKI. And all the AWEACS.

Google.

And Su30MKI would detect as well as track the clean JF-17 Beyond 200km.
With much larger scan area and more powerful aswell as sophisticated EW are plus points of MKI other than its huge radar.
In absence Saab Eri eye AEW&C aircraft it is highly likely that Su30 won't even allow JF-17 gets their radar scan on itself.

The radar of Su30 is Phased array how many times I have to repeat that other than advantages of higher beam steering agility, much faster scan rate and much higher scan area along with greater targets tracked it also has high anti-jamming capabilities and Low probability of Intercept... by the time the JF-17 radar identifies the signal from MKI its radar would've already changed them and a new set of signal remains to be wondered about... for the KLJ-7 processor.

I wish your air force thinks about it the same way... about your current capabilities.





Bisons probably scored kills during cope India......by dropping out of the sky!

Listen, kid, specifications/models/features are things that are tested in real wars (maybe even simulated battles up to some extent). However, the Russian jammers have been tested and tried time and again they have have never been up to the mark.....like never!

Your Israeli jammers (not in enough quantity to be deployed on all MKIs) are something that would worry PAF, no other jammer would.

The reality doesn't change.

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Bison scored Kills on F-15block 52 even now.... and specially with IAF pilots getting a good time with the experienced pilots of Singapore air force(who I guess have had far more hours on F-16 than what PAF pilots have had) and their latest block52 aircrafts... providing a good time for Russian, domestic, Israeli and another country(I would not name that)'s jammers a good work out and evaluation time.

While you and according to you your air force feel they are full equipped and more than capable.

Here's the message by one of the squadrons to your PAF.
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What the hell are you talking about???? You brought up some **** and bull story about your MKI's challenging Chinese air space and escorted out after completing their mock attacks!

I never said escorted.... forced back is not being escorted may be in the madarsa version of English but not for rest of the world.



USAF has fired 16 AIM-120 (mostly versions inferior to C5) and shot down a total of 13 Airborne assets. Success rate stands at > 81%

Out of which only 13 were BVR shots accounting for only 6 kills.



No, it's not! Russian BVR's have yet to score a hit after multiple launches.

There hasn't been any incident of R-77 fired in combat and you already talking about multiple launches.
Although there was the incident where multiple launches of R-27 by Su27 killed a Mig29.



Tell that to the stupid engineers/programmers of PAF that have datalinked F-16's (all of them) to the SAAB AWEACS & now even the Chinese ones! That'll teach them a lesson!

And where does this come from ?... your local madarsa news... :lol:
 
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Darky,

F-16 blk 52 and MLUed ones both are linked with Erieye through link 16. Where do you bring such crap from by the way?

and the mystery jammer onboard Su-30 is nothing more than a standard export Sorbatsya pod equipped with whole SU-27 series. From China to Malaysia, all possess them.

Share the source... or the place you brought that from.

No It doesn't... It can be only used on Su30MKI, Su35, and Su34... I don't know about Malaysian MKM or Algerian MKA but other Su30 and 27 versions cannot have them due to inferior engines and small generators.

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Share the source... or the place you brought that from.

No It doesn't... It can be only used on Su30MKI, Su35, and Su34... I don't know about Malaysian MKM or Algerian MKA but other Su30 and 27 versions cannot have them due to inferior engines and small generators.

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SAP-518

You find that irony while there has been 66 pages and as many as 1000 posts regarding this... that's the amount of understanding you have.

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And Su30MKI would detect as well as track the clean JF-17 Beyond 200km.
With much larger scan area and more powerful aswell as sophisticated EW are plus points of MKI other than its huge radar.
In absence Saab Eri eye AEW&C aircraft it is highly likely that Su30 won't even allow JF-17 gets their radar scan on itself.

The radar of Su30 is Phased array how many times I have to repeat that other than advantages of higher beam steering agility, much faster scan rate and much higher scan area along with greater targets tracked it also has high anti-jamming capabilities and Low probability of Intercept... by the time the JF-17 radar identifies the signal from MKI its radar would've already changed them and a new set of signal remains to be wondered about... for the KLJ-7 processor.

I wish your air force thinks about it the same way... about your current capabilities.







The reality doesn't change.

head-in-the-sand.jpg


Bison scored Kills on F-15block 52 even now.... and specially with IAF pilots getting a good time with the experienced pilots of Singapore air force(who I guess have had far more hours on F-16 than what PAF pilots have had) and their latest block52 aircrafts... providing a good time for Russian, domestic, Israeli and another country(I would not name that)'s jammers a good work out and evaluation time.

While you and according to you your air force feel they are full equipped and more than capable.

Here's the message by one of the squadrons to your PAF.
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I never said escorted.... forced back is not being escorted may be in the madarsa version of English but not for rest of the world.





Out of which only 13 were BVR shots accounting for only 6 kills.





There hasn't been any incident of R-77 fired in combat and you already talking about multiple launches.
Although there was the incident where multiple launches of R-27 by Su27 killed a Mig29.





And where does this come from ?... your local madarsa news... :lol:



Consider this a polite one, discuss the topic in hand instead of religious abuse or you will be under the crush next time.

According to Crobato in 2002....



"The Su-30MK ECM system comprises an electronic intelligence (ELINT) system, 50-mm chaff and flare dispensers in the rear fuselage with a total of 96 charges and two wingtip pod-mounted active jammers.
The aircraft weapons includes a cannon mount, missiles, rockets and bomb ordnance.
The cannon mount includes a built-in GSh-301 30-mm automatic single-barrel high-rate-of-fire cannon. It is housed inside the starboard wing leading-edge root extension (LERX). Its ammunition load is 150 rounds. Missiles, rockets and bombs are mounted on launchers, in launching pods and on beam racks including multiple racks attached to 12 hardpoints.
The Su-30MK can carry up to six R-27R1 (ER1) air-to-air medium-range missiles with semi-active radar homers, two R-27T1 (R-27ET1) heatseeking medium-range missiles, up to six RVV-AE medium-range active radar-homing missiles and up to six R-73E short-range heatseeking missiles.
The air-to-surface guided weaponry of the Su-30MK aircraft consists of 6 Kh-31P passive radar-homing anti-radiation missiles, 6 Kh-31A anti-ship active radar-homing missiles, 6 Kh-29T (TE) TV-homing missiles or Kh-29L semi-active laser homing missiles, 2 Kh-59ME TV-command guidance medium-range missiles (to fire the Kh-59ME missiles the aircraft must be equipped with the APK-9E weapon control pod) as well as 6 KAB-500Kr and 3 KAB-1500Kr TV-homing bombs.
The maximum weight of the unguided air-to-surface weapons carried by the Su-30MK totals 8,000 kg. It includes 8 500-kg bombs or ZB-500-type incendiary canisters, 28 250-kg bombs, 32 100-kg bombs, as well as 80 S-8 rockets in four B-8M1 pods, 20 S-13 rockets in four B-13L pods or four S-25-OFM rockets in O-25 launchers.
Basic Su-30MK specifications

Engines AL-31F
Thrust, kgf 2 x 12,500
Length, m 21.935
Wing span, m 14.7
Wing area, sq.m 62.04
Takeoff weight, kg: Max 34,500
Limit 38,800
Fuel capacity, kg 9,640
Max combat load, kg 8,000
Max speed, km/h: at high altitude 2,120
at sea level 1,350
Max Mach number 2
Service ceiling, m 17,300
Max loading, g 9
Range, km: no mid-air refuelling 3,000
single mid-air refuelling 5,200
Run with the normal takeoff weight, m 550
Roll with the drag chute deployed, m 750
 
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You find that irony while there has been 66 pages and as many as 1000 posts regarding this... that's the amount of understanding you have.

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Whatever floats your boat.



And Su30MKI would detect as well as track the clean JF-17 Beyond 200km.
With much larger scan area and more powerful aswell as sophisticated EW are plus points of MKI other than its huge radar.
In absence Saab Eri eye AEW&C aircraft it is highly likely that Su30 won't even allow JF-17 gets their radar scan on itself.

You are indeed a retard! Listen kid, the much larger and powerful radar searches for much smaller adversary while the much smaller adversary with a much smaller radar searches for an adversary that has massive rcs. It's not just about the ranges, it's about rcs and a whole lot of other things as well. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the JFT locks on to MKI before vice versa. And we know very well what launch of AIM-120C5 would mean.....bye bye MKI!!



The radar of Su30 is Phased array how many times I have to repeat that other than advantages of higher beam steering agility, much faster scan rate and much higher scan area along with greater targets tracked it also has high anti-jamming capabilities and Low probability of Intercept... by the time the JF-17 radar identifies the signal from MKI its radar would've already changed them and a new set of signal remains to be wondered about... for the KLJ-7 processor.

Lets just leave the processing power and actual combat performance of the KLJ-7 radar for the 'day' when your MKI actually has to face it. I don't really want to get into the whole arguments on the performance of KLJ-7 as well as our AWACS that will be guiding the JFT's, if need be.



I wish your air force thinks about it the same way... about your current capabilities.

Isn't it evident they do? Fortunately for us, your AF also thinks about it the same way you do.



The reality doesn't change.

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Bison scored Kills on F-15block 52 even now.... and specially with IAF pilots getting a good time with the experienced pilots of Singapore air force(who I guess have had far more hours on F-16 than what PAF pilots have had) and their latest block52 aircrafts... providing a good time for Russian, domestic, Israeli and another country(I would not name that)'s jammers a good work out and evaluation time.

While you and according to you your air force feel they are full equipped and more than capable.

Here's the message by one of the squadrons to your PAF.
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Ok kid, listen up and listen good. There is no Block 52 on F-15's! Furthermore, PAF pilots are the ones that have actually seen combat with their F-16's, not only that, we have tested the supposedly best AF (Isreal) and have given it a beating while maintaining an impeccable record.

Not only that, PAF's personal hands on experience on all types of SU-27 including SU-30's and exercises with AF's armed with the jets have given us restful sleeps, no wonder IAF had to sprint for MMRCA despite MKI while PAF relaxed!



I never said escorted.... forced back is not being escorted may be in the madarsa version of English but not for rest of the world.

Maybe the cow piss drinking and bathing version of your temples teach you otherwise, no wonder you find it extremely hard to put your points through, that and the fact that you make no sense!



Out of which only 13 were BVR shots accounting for only 6 kills.

Again, stop drinking cow piss (or whatever other piss you prefer) and maybe those damaged brain cells would have a chance to recover. Out of 16 BVR shots 13 scored direct hits and downed 13 Aerial Targets.



There hasn't been any incident of R-77 fired in combat and you already talking about multiple launches.
Although there was the incident where multiple launches of R-27 by Su27 killed a Mig29.

All types of Russian BVR's have been used without success.......not a single, let me repeat NOT A SINGLE BVR KILL TO ANY RUSSIAN BVR MISSILE!!!! I wonder if even their WVR Missiles work! Could be that their radars are useless and unable to guide the missiles or a case of blind leading other blind!



And where does this come from ?... your local madarsa news... :lol:

No the temple where you guys perform SATI rituals!!
 
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SP-518 (self protection) and SP-14 (stand off) jammers complement each other. Chinese have them both with SU-30 MKK/ MKK2 which have improved AL-31 engines and generators.
 
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SP-518 (self protection) and SP-14 (stand off) jammers complement each other. Chinese have them both with SU-30 MKK/ MKK2 which have improved AL-31 engines and generators.


Why are Russia ordering the Indian version of SU-30 not the Chinese version?

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20120323/172357523.html

The Su-30MKI sports a Russian radar and optic locator, French navigation and heads-up display systems, Israeli EW and weapon-guidance systems, and Indian computers.

The “Chinese” line is based on a different logic that prescribes parallel installation of new systems that fall short of full integration.


Seems people on here are having reading difficulties
 
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Why are Russia ordering the Indian version of SU-30 not the Chinese version?

Sukhoi Su-30SM: An Indian Gift to Russia

The Su-30MKI sports a Russian radar and optic locator, French navigation and heads-up display systems, Israeli EW and weapon-guidance systems, and Indian computers.

The “Chinese” line is based on a different logic that prescribes parallel installation of new systems that fall short of full integration.


Seems people on here are having reading difficulties

Who told you the Russians ordered "Indian" version for their Su-30 fleet?

Their Su-30 is at least twice as better as your MKI featuring Su-35 technology particularly mission computer, integrated sensor suite and EW. Go to the Russian defence thread on this forum or do tell me if you need online sources. :)
 
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Who told you the Russians ordered "Indian" version for their Su-30 fleet?

Their Su-30 is at least twice as better as your MKI featuring Su-35 technology particularly mission computer, integrated sensor suite and EW. Go to the Russian defence thread on this forum or do tell me if you need online sources. :)



The model ordered by the Russian military is a “localized” version of the “Indian” Su-30MKI. Earlier, Komsomolsk-on-Amur delivered to the Air Force four “localized” Su-30MK2’s.


And yes the SU-30 MKI is our customised version as we use Israeli, French and Indian technology

The Su-30MKI is a fusion of technology from the Su-37 demonstrator and Su-30 program, with additional Indian designed and built processor hardware in the Mission Computers, Radar Data Processor provide under the Vetrivale (Lance) industry program, and some items of Israeli and EU hardware. The aircraft has a Sextant Avionique HUD and RLG (Ring Laser Gyro) INS/GPS, glass cockpits, NIIP N011M phased array, AL-31FP TVC engines, enlarged rudders, Su-33/35/37 canards and aerial refuelling probe, and an improved OLS-30 IRST package. The Indian developed Tarang RWR is used in the EWSP suite. The TVC system in the Su-30MKI has evolved beyond the Su-37 system, which deflected only in the vertical plane. The Su-30MKI variant has a 32 degree canted TVC plane to introduce a lateral and vertical vectored force component, and is driven by the engine's fuel system rather than main aircraft hydraulic loop.

Since 2003, more details have also been revealed about the N-011M BARS ('Panther') hybrid phased array radar designed for the Su-35/37 and supplied on the Su-30MKI and likely the Su-30MKM. The BARS phased array assembly is mechanically steerable to +/-55 degrees off-boresight, providing a total field of regard in azimuth of +/-100 degrees off-boresight - in effect the combination of mechanical array steering and electronic beam steering provides full forward hemispherical coverage. NIIP claim a 3 dB noise figure three channel receiver, and an average transmit power of 1.2 kW, with 1 kW in illuminator mode for semi-active missiles. Air-air modes include Track While Scan for 15 targets and concurrent engagement of four, raid assessment and Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR). Air-surface modes include real beam mapping, Doppler beam sharpening, Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imaging, Ground/Maritime Moving Target Indicator (GMTI/MMTI), target position measurement and GMTI tracking of two concurrent targets. Aerial fighter sized targets have been acquired at 76 NMI, and moving tanks at 25 NMI. While reports of an Active ESA (AESA) have surfaced, details are as yet not available to the public.

The Indian Su-30MKI is to date the most advanced Su-27 derivative to enter production and with the exception of mission avionics and software is a credible equivalent to the F-15E/I/K/S family. It also underscores the 'no holds barred' international arms market, in which an export customer is supplied with a product which is half a generation ahead of the Russian air force - the IAF designates it as its Air Dominance Fighter.


http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker.html
 
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jft and mki both would detect each other at almost same range

rest bvr will decide the outcome

if jft really got sd-10b than probably it would either have to get aim 120d or there is no missile in russian inventory even remotely close to sd-10b
 
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