How much is it his own making: Imran Khan Down Fall?

[truthseeker2010]

I do not have an issue with he playing politics but it should not have been at the expense of our nation.

His policies were consistently inconsistent.

He shared CPEC details with IMF but could not get the IMF loan.

He created an OIC alliance with Turkiye & Malaysia then made Pakistan play chauffeur to Saudi Arabia.

He made noises on Kashmir but did not take any action.

Which cpec details were shared, actually it was another bajwa playing with cpec, who was kicked out by china.
OIC is a useless organisation, Alliance with Malaysia Iran and Turkey could be better for pak, but that can only happen if you are independent.
At least he made noises directly to India and international audience, what has been past performance of pak on kashmir for 70 years?

 

[Norwegian]

The party was outplayed in a numbers game in the NA.

Lol funny how easily you can call horse trading and lotacracy "outplayed in numbers game"
Parliament and democracy doesn't function on number games but on moral authority. If army force lawmakers to vote on some bill on gun point, would you still call its outcome legal? Yes, PTI lost number game but it wasn't an organic process because lawmakers were bought and sold with US and neutral Bajwa's blessings before the NCM vote
@Jungibaaz

 

[truthseeker2010]

How have you come to the conclusion that forming gov was for the reasons mentioned above in brackets?

Spare us the dishonest subjective discourse.

With coalition you cannot take tough decisions or do reforms hence generals remain powerful.

 

[Norwegian]

Introspection is a US conspiracy. Ukraine... [something, something] cypher, [expletive].... CJP and Bajwa.

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Something something lotacracy, something something horse trading, something something US officials met lawmakers from PTI that defected before NCM vote, something something PTI allies claim they received phone calls from neutrals to ditch PTI alliance and join PDM, something something Bughaz Imran

His two biggest mistakes forming coalition gov (greed for power) and extension of b***** (for continuity of power)

Loooool. Alternative was present PDM govt that is 12 party alliance. PTI won the most number of seats in 2018 elections so it's only natural it formed the govt with smaller parties

 

[blain2]

Lol funny how easily you can call horse trading and lotacracy "outplayed in numbers game"
Parliament and democracy doesn't function on number games but on moral authority. If army force lawmakers to vote on some bill on gun point, would you still call its outcome legal? Yes, PTI lost number game but it wasn't an organic process because lawmakers were bought and sold with US and neutral Bajwa's blessings before the NCM vote
@Jungibaaz

Horse-trading did not cost your party the parliament. Your party lost the VoNC even without the votes of your lotays counted. It would be beneficial for you to realize how your party was outsmarted by the opposition. Perhaps IK and team should have promised their allies like MQM more action in places like Karachi.

Also please prove the US and Bajwa blessings part (unless the crutch was the blessing!). A lot of talk but nothing concrete from any quarters. The SCoP has clearly disagreed with these claims.

 

[Norwegian]

Horse-trading did not cost your party the parliament. Your party lost the VoNC even without the votes of your lotays counted.

That's a lie. MQM minister in PTI govt Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui told Sheikh Rashid that initially they were hesitant to join PDM alliance, but then Zardari showed them all the 20+ PTI defectors hiding in his Sindh house, confirming MQM that establishment was on board with the regime change conspiracy. Also ex PM Imran Khan told journalist Javed Chaudhry that PTI allies told then PM that if you still want our support, then get us favorable phone calls from neutrals as they were now under pressure from them to join PDM alliance.

 

[imadul]

He

His two biggest mistakes forming coalition gov (greed for power) and extension of b***** (for continuity of power)

He Could not had made government without alliance with partners. He trusted NEUTRALS on that, but it was their ploy to control him.
He should have dissolved the assembly right after taking oath. Haroon Rasheed said several times.

Bajra extension, yes, on hindsight was a blunder. Again he trusted the double faced traitor. So lesson learned, follow rules and principle.

 

[Norwegian]

Please prove the US and Bajwa blessings part. A lot of talk but nothing concrete from any quarters. The SCoP has clearly disagreed with these claims.

SC hasn't even tried to investigate the ciphergate scandal despite repeated calls from ex PM Imran Khan, ex speaker, ex deputy speaker and current president of Pakistan. SC has outright rejected PTI claims regarding the cipher without having any proof of inquiry. Typical Bughaz Imran operation ordered by neutral Bajwa.
Same SC in the past has itself made many fact finding judicial commissions such as during Memogate and Panamagate scandals

 

[imadul]

SC hasn't even tried to probe the cipher gate scandal despite repeated calls from ex PM Imran Khan, ex speaker, ex deputy speaker and current president of Pakistan. SC has outright rejected PTI claims regarding the cipher without having any proof of inquiry. Typical Bughaz Imran operation ordered by neutral Bajwa

Need to see who and how SC was approached. No secret how SC has played in the hands of PATRIOT CHAMPIONS throughout our 75 years.
And who was sending prison vans on the night of April 9th.
Their time shall come, they shall be tried.

 

[blain2]

Which cpec details were shared, actually it was another bajwa playing with cpec, who was kicked out by china.
OIC is a useless organisation, Alliance with Malaysia Iran and Turkey could be better for pak, but that can only happen if you are independent.
At least he made noises directly to India and international audience, what has been past performance of pak on kashmir for 70 years?

Pakistan was kicked out of CPEC and that too because of Bajwa playing with CPEC? Really? Can we get a hold of reality for a change please?

 

[Norwegian]

And who was sending prison vans on the night of April 9th.

And who was opening Islamabad High Court at midnight with a frivolous petition dated from March 2022 that had a blank executive order number to stop then PM Imran Khan from firing neutral Bajwa. Ex PM Imran Khan never gave orders to fire neutral Bajwa so why was IHC opened to hear the said petition at midnight? Was neutral Bajwa afraid of losing his job on the last day of ex PM Imran Khan?

 

[truthseeker2010]

Pakistan was kicked out of CPEC and that too because of Bajwa playing with CPEC? Really? Can we get a hold of reality for a change please?

Why was asim bajwa shown the door? Please get a reality check, CPEC has only benefitted either FWO due to construction contracts or Chinese companies. Pakistan has so far unable to extract any economic benefits out of it.

 

[mudas777]

Yes
Yes, in a normal democracy!
Not militocracy.

This militocracy need to be crushed once for all. Other nations got independence and get on with their developments albeit of smooth or bumpy roads. While our generals decided they are better then the rest of the country folks and hijacked the country by the gun, paid by the civilians hard earned money. As a result we never managed to put the country on the path of the progress as these bunch of idiots kept on interfering either in the uniform or via the back door by propping up the Nora's Zardari's or the rest.
As one of my Uni days friend used to say these generals mentality and training is how many artillery shells they have got, how much they know of running the country or the economy. Alas he was right and now we find ourselves worse then the Somalian economical situation. The best bajwa or the Kunzire bajra have done is to show us the true face of these black faced traitors and ISI Anjumans how much they are loyal to our own country and how they are crushing the dissent of ordinary Pakistani's.

 

[blain2]

SC hasn't even tried to investigate the ciphergate scandal despite repeated calls from ex PM Imran Khan, ex speaker, ex deputy speaker and current president of Pakistan. SC has outright rejected PTI claims regarding the cipher without having any proof of inquiry. Typical Bughaz Imran operation ordered by neutral Bajwa.
Same SC in the past has itself made many fact finding judicial commissions such as during Memogate and Panamagate scandals

Ciphergate?

All the contents of the "interaction" with a nobody in the US State Department at a social event were made available to the SCP.

He said every word of it, but then SO WHAT?

It was a verbal interference in the internal affairs of another foreign country. We say that Modi should go to hell. Americans say Iranian mullahs should be kicked out of office by their own people and Iranians say American devils should be destroyed along with their Zionist partners. These are all par for the course in international relations. They may not be appropriate but until and unless there is *tangible* evidence of direct intervention in dislodging a sitting government, its just "diplomatic interference" for which an appropriate demarche was sent to the US side.

What is the evidence of a "conspiracy"? Were funds or overt/covert aid sent by the US to the idiots on our side? Where is the money trail? Ask the hard questions instead of pushing the cosmetic sloganeering around.

You will get your useless commission in due time too to research this nonsense. End result will be, khoda pahar, nikla chuaa.

 

[Norwegian]

You will get your useless commission in due time too to research this nonsense. End result will be, khoda pahar, nikla chuaa.

Useless? This judicial commission to investigate ciphergate will be the final nail in coffin of PTI if its findings turned out to be the way you described it. Yet neither SC nor imported govt has gone ahead with investigation of ciphergate because they know they themselves will be caught during the investigations along with their handler neutral Bajwa