How much is it his own making: Imran Khan Down Fall?

[Zowais]

Nope, not my logic at all. Imran Khan was the only PM to be voted out via parliament. Most/All others were kicked out be generals, courts, murdered, president's dismissal. All you need to be a victim of the former is to lose your majority, which he never had without the support of his allies. He lost it, he went.

So now you say murder by gun is a murder. But by poisoning, its not.

Or you beleive, this 12 party pdm joined eachother for regime change by themselves, because of their concern for the poor and price hike??

 

[Olympus81]

Imran Khan’s downfall

1. Giving extension to Bajwa
2. Arrogantly sticking to Buzdar
3. Going too easy on PDM corruption
4. Failure to reform Judiciary

Coming to the regime change. Let’s assume for a minute there was no letter and no NSA meeting concluding interference. Nor did courts open at midnight and no prison vans were visible. Or Bajwa was never in contact with the opposition.

Bajwa interference in political affairs during IK’s tenure is well known (openly admitted during his meeting with retired officers).

How did the PDM come out from the dead and colluded miraculously to file a NCV. How PTM and MNAs brought out from jail and Dubai to come and vote in NCV?

If you all think establishment had no hand in the NCV then I dont know what what to say.

Coming to present, the establishment did their thing, PDM did their thing. The regime change happened and became a resounding success.

The whole excuse this regime change kickstarted ie economy, inflation etc blew in the face and has seriously setback Pakistan.

Coming to PTI, Imran Khan, from a politician whose party seemed to be losing the next general elections in 2023, now, has managed to lift the ‘veil’ and his narrative is resonating with majority of Pakistanis.

The holy cows and PDM stand completely naked. So why complain? Just because all past coups culminated in Pakistanis distributing sweets and now the tables have turned on the establishment, it is not kosher?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Noo
No one has to tell me. I read speech of this double faced general who is acting asv Naked Emperor.
Go and read his speech.
That was the last opportunity IK should have fired him.

"despite legitimate security concerns of russia its aggression against a smaller country cant be condoned."

@11:11

This is 100% stance of imran khan.. not even a bit here or there.

Because Bajwa's statement at the security summit directly contradicted IK's with regards to Ukraine invasion.

 

[Black.Mamba]

I would trust my military over the corrupt politicians when it comes to National security and foreign policy.

Did you ever bother yourself to ponder upon it?

 

[Enigma SIG]

What you suggest does not happen in real world. French revolution was not an overnight fixing of everything. There are more examples of countries reforming themselves iteratively instead of massive bloodshed to bring about a change. So let's get off this anarchic thinking.

I drew a parallel to Libya and Iraq for the dysfunction out of which they are now having to create a semblance of a working country. I am not comparing the triggers between those countries and Pakistan. if we lose our establishment (military, judiciary, bureaucracy) we are going back many decades and may end up losing a lot more of what is today's Pakistan.

So these overly dramatic statements like "You can't build a house on a weak crumbling structure" are better suited for movies and dramas. The oft-quoted State of Madina was a hard slog of work over decades to get it to a point where it was able to offer its residents relative justice, equality etc. Pakistan is 70+ years old, there are many countries (first world) that have taken 2, 3 and even 4 centuries to get to where they are. I am not suggesting we go slow, but tearing it down to the ground is not an option.

Pakistan is as resilient as it always has been. It is the narrative of one political party that is trying to undo this resiliency by attacking all other pillars of the state for their political ends. Everyone has gripes, including the establishment, but we need to learn to play within the rules set. If you get booted out for losing parliamentary majority, you come back with a more resounding mandate. In the meantime, don't burn everything down just because it did not go your way.



Not your place to say that. They get votes just the same as IK. They have their supporters. Who are you to sit in judgement against everyone else? I say this not because I have any love for these people, but this holier than thou, "otherization" of fellow Pakistanis is poison.

Meat grinder it is huh. PA never learns.

PA discharged Matiullah from PMA for sodomy. Yet they continue to court and bring up excuses for criminals raping the country ad infinitum "oh the awam voted for them".

Hypocrisy and self serving lot.

 

[ziaulislam]

His was a new dimension, a new voice, and a vision, and he struggled ardently for 17 years to get major triumph in 2013 elections forming KPK government and second largest in NA.
In 2018 he again won KPK, formed Punjab and federal governments with difficult compromises.
First year was spent to know how to govern. He performed well in atrocious conditions of COVID-19 pandemic and resurrected stagnant economy. All this time PMIK outsourced lots of political debt to now so-called NEUTRALS who got more and more control.

IK says he knew about conspiracies for about an year, yet he did not ACT!

Conspiracies CLIMAXED in March-April. He remained undecisive. General Bajwa who was actively shuffling political cards after IK resisted DG ISI appointment loathefully bared his real face during Islamabad Security Dialogue when he flagrantly opposed civil government declared policy on Russia-Ukraine crisis. It was the time IK should have shown mettle and fired double faced General Bajwa.
In coming few weeks Bajwa blockaded few remaining options and gave final order to attack.
IK resisted, but still could not declassify the cipher due to undecisiveness. Courts convened midnight on April 9th, 2022.
IK legal team could not present a forceful case, did not present the cipher and chose to send the cipher separately later rather as an evidence and in its full form.

In the battle of power, weakness and undecisiveness are self inflicted blows while the enemy is a trained ruthless puppet master who uses cold hearted calculation of an assassin to drive the final blow, one is only left to lament.

1- inability to tax the elite and land mafia and services sector(small business)
2- failure to implement universal education
Pakistan still ranked in sub sahara

 

[imadul]

1- inability to tax the elite and land mafia and services sector(small business)
2- failure to implement universal education
Pakistan still ranked in sub sahara

He tried that and FBR collected more taxes.
Also tried single education system.

Tax theft is an art in Pakistan. Nawaz did not tax his power base, the merchant class of Punjab. Yes, the merchant class of Punjab does not pay taxes or less than pea nuts.
Tax system needs reforms and every section, and province has to pay taxes fairly. Wadera and feudal class still don't pay taxes. It is not just Karachi responsibility to feed all of Pakistan and the military.
And it is very primitive thinking that IK could fix every malaise of 75 years in 3 1/2 years, rather 2 1/2 as 1 year one just get to know the system.
Plus arrogant NEUTRALS were controlling most the policies.

 

[imadul]

So he and the team wasn't prepared to take on the reins?

He should have come clean to the public and ask for support against the neutrals. Instead he decided to enjoy their support as he himself admitted yesterday, that he had to beg neutrals to bring people to vote in the parliament.

His govt legislated the extension, enjoyed their full support and the moment he showed them some teeth they got rid of him. PTI has no right to cry foul against the neutrals.

Imran in the govt was not the same principled man we voted for. He made compromises after compromises just to become the PM. What he got in return was to be the first PM in Pak's history to lose a no confidence vote. He was never able to bring the tabdeeli he promised. But his career has not ended yet, so we can't say what his legacy will be yet.

Pakistan is an abnormal country. In a normal and working country incumbent government gets a functioning system, in Pakistan he has to reinvent the wheel.
For 32 years Nawaz and Zardari has littered bureaucracy, police and lowe judiciary with their cronies and loyalists.
He was failed by them.
He trusted the NEUTRALS who deceived him as they are only loyal to their interests. Pakistan is a tool in their hands for their supremacy.

Yes, he wasn't ready as Pakistani system is an abnormality.

یہاں الٹا لٹکو گے تو سیدھا نظر آئے گا۔

 

[imadul]

That was the expectation, tabdeeli. Naya nizam. Naya Pakistan. I can vividly remember the youthful optimism and hope, all gone now. It's back to reality for us.

You know approximate time period to bring a medicine from trial to patients takes 12 years?
Easy to Destroy but difficult to Rebuild?
And when you have mafias working non stop to pull the rug out of your feet!??
....and powerful institutions double crossing you!!??
I mean, I am from Karachi.
Why Karachi which provides over 50% taxes is Pakistani most backward and ruined area? Army fully behind zardari mafia and PTI could do nothing!
Personally know Parween Rehman was assassinated by land mafia while ranges looked on!!?
Thus is a tiny example from sindh and karachi.