"How much did you sell 4,000 Pakistanis for?"

[Max]

Things are getting out of control.this large crowd is not good for pakistan.

It was organized by over Hundred Mom bati Mafia Organizations. still cant match a jalsi of any mainstream party.

 

[Maarkhoor]

• 
  Ailia Zehra
  in PakistanOn April 23, 2018

‘How much did you sell 4,000 Pakistanis for?’
* Manzoor Pashteen seeks truth and reconciliation commission on the country's war against terrorism and its fall out in tribal regions

LAHORE: “Tell us how much money did you get in return for the Pakistani citizens you sold to Americans. We will raise funds on our own and pay you so that our loved ones can be brought back. We don’t even demand that you release them. Present them before courts and punish them under the law if they are found involved in any crime,” 25-year-old Manzoor Pashteen, the founding leader of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement, said on Sunday.

He was addressing a public gathering at Lahore’s Mochi Bagh that was packed to capacity. The gathering went ahead as planned despite attempts like detention of PTM leaders arrested on Saturday and harassment of workers convoys on their way to Lahore from other cities.

Earlier in his speech, Pashteen said that a high official had come to him and other PTM leaders for negotiations three weeks ago and asked them to withdraw the demand for recovery of those forcibly disappeared. “When we asked him why can’t the missing people be released, he dodged the question. A judge later told the nation that most of them had been sold to Americans.”

Pashteen began his speech by stating that because of the mainstream media’s blackout of the movement, it was the Pashtun community’s desire [to hold the jalsa] to tell their stories of injustices to the residents of Lahore.

“Our movement started with Rao Anwar’s arrest in the wake of Naqeebullah Mehsud’s killing. Anwar and his accomplices wanted the nation to believe that Naqeebullah was a terrorist and he was a hero. But the people’s power proved that it is the other way around,” he said, adding that the entire country saw the result of the PTM’s protest against Anwar.

Speaking about extrajudicial killing, he said under the Constitution of Pakistan, it was mandatory for security officials to produce a detainee before the courts within 24 hours detention, adding that the Constitution was clear that whoever abroagated it was guilty of treason. “You are traitors since you have violated the Constitution,” he said, addressing the authorities concerned.

Further, He told stories of Pashtuns from tribal areas who he said had been victims of atrocities meted out by security personnel. He narrated the story of two children from North Waziristan whose father had wanted them to become doctors. He identified the children as Wajah and Wajeeha and said that their house came under attack by military’s shelling. The two children died as a result. The next day, he said, the newspapers reported that terorrists were killed in military’s bombardment. The crowd chanted slogans of ‘shame’ in response.

“Anyone who wants to verify our claims about violence against the innocent Pashtun citizens can go to the villages and ask if it is a lie.”You are welcome to investigate our claims. We wil tell you names of the villages and the dates when these atrocities took place.”

He also told stories of youngsters from FATA who were allegedly arrested by security forces despite having no links with militants. “Should we side with the oppressor or with the oppressed”, he asked, adding that it was Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who taught us to side with the oppressed.

“When the Pashtun citizens speak of peace, they are shot,” he said, adding that traditional jirga were disbanded and their elders were killed. He said ‘fake’ mashairs were installed in their place.

Referring to the flooding of the jalsa venue earlier in the day with sewage water, Pashteen said, “The dirt you spread was cleaned by our youngsters. This is the difference between you and us. We have been cleaning the filth you have been spreading.”

Explaining the movement’s criticism of the military, he said, “we are only against those higher-ups in the military whose flawed decisions have brought us where we are today. The military dictators who violated the constitution are real traitors and they should be tried for their criminal acts.”

Pashteen announced that the PTM would hold a public meeting in Karachi on May 12. Before that, it would hold a gathering in Swat on April 29.

Before concluding his speech, he extended solidarity with students and an academic of Punjab Univeristy who had been threatened with dire consequences for their support for the movement. He thanked the leadership of the Awami Workers Party, Pashtun community and the residnets of Lahore for attending the rally.

After his speech, Pashteen was surrounded by young activists and supporters who wanted selfies with him. Once done with the selfies, he went to a side and offered Maghrib prayers on the stage. Earlier, he stopped in the middle of his speech in respect for the azaan.

Another PTM leader Ali Wazir, who lost several of his family members in military operations and could not attend their funerals because he was incarcerated under colonial-era FCR, said the youngsters born and raised in the shadows of war were leading the movement. He said the PTM stood with the peasant households in Okara who were being victimised by the authorities for demanding rights to the land their families had been tilling for generations.

Lawyer Hina Jillani also spoke at the jalsa. She said that safe return of those forcibly disapeared would not be enough. “We want to know who picks up our sons and daughters and makes them disappeared.”

Advocate Fazal, whose son died in the Army Public School (APS) attack in December 2014, lamented that no judicial commission had been formed to investigate the massacre. He said the APS was a consequence of flawed polcies of seucrity establishment. “I was in touch with my son during the attack. He was alive 20 minutes into the attack and could have been saved if there had been timely action.”

Published in Daily Times, April 23rd 2018.

@waz @Irfan Baloch
How many times Indian troll post same propaganda threads on same topic.....? Did they have any documented figures to prove 4000 figure?

 

[pak-marine]

• 
  Ailia Zehra
  in PakistanOn April 23, 2018

‘How much did you sell 4,000 Pakistanis for?’
* Manzoor Pashteen seeks truth and reconciliation commission on the country's war against terrorism and its fall out in tribal regions

LAHORE: “Tell us how much money did you get in return for the Pakistani citizens you sold to Americans. We will raise funds on our own and pay you so that our loved ones can be brought back. We don’t even demand that you release them. Present them before courts and punish them under the law if they are found involved in any crime,” 25-year-old Manzoor Pashteen, the founding leader of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement, said on Sunday.

He was addressing a public gathering at Lahore’s Mochi Bagh that was packed to capacity. The gathering went ahead as planned despite attempts like detention of PTM leaders arrested on Saturday and harassment of workers convoys on their way to Lahore from other cities.

Earlier in his speech, Pashteen said that a high official had come to him and other PTM leaders for negotiations three weeks ago and asked them to withdraw the demand for recovery of those forcibly disappeared. “When we asked him why can’t the missing people be released, he dodged the question. A judge later told the nation that most of them had been sold to Americans.”

Pashteen began his speech by stating that because of the mainstream media’s blackout of the movement, it was the Pashtun community’s desire [to hold the jalsa] to tell their stories of injustices to the residents of Lahore.

“Our movement started with Rao Anwar’s arrest in the wake of Naqeebullah Mehsud’s killing. Anwar and his accomplices wanted the nation to believe that Naqeebullah was a terrorist and he was a hero. But the people’s power proved that it is the other way around,” he said, adding that the entire country saw the result of the PTM’s protest against Anwar.

Speaking about extrajudicial killing, he said under the Constitution of Pakistan, it was mandatory for security officials to produce a detainee before the courts within 24 hours detention, adding that the Constitution was clear that whoever abroagated it was guilty of treason. “You are traitors since you have violated the Constitution,” he said, addressing the authorities concerned.

Further, He told stories of Pashtuns from tribal areas who he said had been victims of atrocities meted out by security personnel. He narrated the story of two children from North Waziristan whose father had wanted them to become doctors. He identified the children as Wajah and Wajeeha and said that their house came under attack by military’s shelling. The two children died as a result. The next day, he said, the newspapers reported that terorrists were killed in military’s bombardment. The crowd chanted slogans of ‘shame’ in response.

“Anyone who wants to verify our claims about violence against the innocent Pashtun citizens can go to the villages and ask if it is a lie.”You are welcome to investigate our claims. We wil tell you names of the villages and the dates when these atrocities took place.”

He also told stories of youngsters from FATA who were allegedly arrested by security forces despite having no links with militants. “Should we side with the oppressor or with the oppressed”, he asked, adding that it was Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who taught us to side with the oppressed.

“When the Pashtun citizens speak of peace, they are shot,” he said, adding that traditional jirga were disbanded and their elders were killed. He said ‘fake’ mashairs were installed in their place.

Referring to the flooding of the jalsa venue earlier in the day with sewage water, Pashteen said, “The dirt you spread was cleaned by our youngsters. This is the difference between you and us. We have been cleaning the filth you have been spreading.”

Explaining the movement’s criticism of the military, he said, “we are only against those higher-ups in the military whose flawed decisions have brought us where we are today. The military dictators who violated the constitution are real traitors and they should be tried for their criminal acts.”

Pashteen announced that the PTM would hold a public meeting in Karachi on May 12. Before that, it would hold a gathering in Swat on April 29.

Before concluding his speech, he extended solidarity with students and an academic of Punjab Univeristy who had been threatened with dire consequences for their support for the movement. He thanked the leadership of the Awami Workers Party, Pashtun community and the residnets of Lahore for attending the rally.

After his speech, Pashteen was surrounded by young activists and supporters who wanted selfies with him. Once done with the selfies, he went to a side and offered Maghrib prayers on the stage. Earlier, he stopped in the middle of his speech in respect for the azaan.

Another PTM leader Ali Wazir, who lost several of his family members in military operations and could not attend their funerals because he was incarcerated under colonial-era FCR, said the youngsters born and raised in the shadows of war were leading the movement. He said the PTM stood with the peasant households in Okara who were being victimised by the authorities for demanding rights to the land their families had been tilling for generations.

Lawyer Hina Jillani also spoke at the jalsa. She said that safe return of those forcibly disapeared would not be enough. “We want to know who picks up our sons and daughters and makes them disappeared.”

Advocate Fazal, whose son died in the Army Public School (APS) attack in December 2014, lamented that no judicial commission had been formed to investigate the massacre. He said the APS was a consequence of flawed polcies of seucrity establishment. “I was in touch with my son during the attack. He was alive 20 minutes into the attack and could have been saved if there had been timely action.”

Published in Daily Times, April 23rd 2018.

How much they got for slaughtering 80,000 Pakistanis for ?

 

[ranjeet]

@waz @Irfan Baloch
How many times Indian troll post same propaganda threads on same topic.....? Did they have any documented figures to prove 4000 figure?

From here ...

Handed over for bounty: Apex court to look into Musharraf’s book claims

“Human rights organisations are alleging that approximately more than 4,000 people went missing in the country after the 9/11 incident and Musharraf could be tried for handing over these people,”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/673489...ex-court-to-look-into-musharrafs-book-claims/

 

[Vortex]

How many were reported missing each year before 9/11 ? maybe those 4000 missing are "usual" missing people. not necessarly related to 9/11.

 

[Armchair]

He is speaking the truth. Musharraf's Pakistan sold their own people to the Americans, without trial, without evidence, without judgment. Sold them for dollars. I remember. I was there. Including the son of a military officer who was an elected member of the local government in Kashmir.

 

[shahbaz baig]

I observed that most of them are afganis those have been continuously attending PTM Jalsa. So let me put some thoughts.

Only if afghans can understand what Pakistanis have done for them by providing them shelter, food, security and jobs. Look at their countrymen stooping to prostitution to earn a buck.

Soon afghnis would be kicked out from pakistan.. They dont deserve pakistan's humble shelter, food, security and jobs.

 

[Maarkhoor]

From here ...

Handed over for bounty: Apex court to look into Musharraf’s book claims

“Human rights organisations are alleging that approximately more than 4,000 people went missing in the country after the 9/11 incident and Musharraf could be tried for handing over these people,”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/673489...ex-court-to-look-into-musharrafs-book-claims/

It is just a news article not proof.

 

[I.R.A]

“When the Pashtun citizens speak of peace, they are shot,” he said, adding that traditional jirga were disbanded and their elders were killed. He said ‘fake’ mashairs were installed in their place.

Wasn't that TTP killing the elders and aman lashkar?

Aren't Fazlullah, Muslims Khan, Baitullah Mehsud, Hakeemullah Mehsud, Mangal Bagh, their associates and many of their foot soldiers (numbered in thousands) Pashtuns? We must missed their slogans for peace .... in the louder noises of all the bomb blasts.

I wonder how conveniently this Manzoor has ignored the suffering of whole Pakistan at hands of TTP, every terrorist bomb blast in any corner of Pakistan had its links to FATA ..... how easy it is for him to forget that fact and reality. PTM is disrespecting 70,000 Pakistanis who were killed in their mosques, churches, schools, universities and markets ........ by all this drama for missing persons.

 

[ranjeet]

It is just a news article not proof.

It's not just a news article, It reports Supreme Court of Pakistan wants to probe claims made by Mushy in his book ....


"The Supreme Court on Tuesday said it would like to probe the fate of hundreds of Pakistanis who were caught and handed over to foreign powers for bounty after the September 11 attacks in the United States, as claimed by former military ruler Gen Pervez Musharraf in his 2006 book In the Line of Fire.

A three-judge bench of the apex court, headed by Justice Jawwad S Khawaja, directed Additional Attorney General Tariq Khokhar to file excerpts from Musharraf’s book which alluded to the handing over of Pakistanis to foreign powers in exchange for bounty."

 

[shahbaz baig]

Daily Times mean marvi sarmad... She is propagating the matters, and indirectly promoting the PTM campaign now a days..

invite her and ask the proofs..

@Imad.Khan @Irfan Baloch @Arsalan
@Horus @waz

 

[Maarkhoor]

It's not just a news article, It reports Supreme Court of Pakistan wants to probe claims made by Mushy in his book ....


"The Supreme Court on Tuesday said it would like to probe the fate of hundreds of Pakistanis who were caught and handed over to foreign powers for bounty after the September 11 attacks in the United States, as claimed by former military ruler Gen Pervez Musharraf in his 2006 book In the Line of Fire.

A three-judge bench of the apex court, headed by Justice Jawwad S Khawaja, directed Additional Attorney General Tariq Khokhar to file excerpts from Musharraf’s book which alluded to the handing over of Pakistanis to foreign powers in exchange for bounty."

So, why you so exited ? many of them killed during anti terrorist operations and remaining ones fled to Afghanistan....few of them handed over to US as per agreement since we were allies back then and those who were handed over were cross into Pakistan to save their asses but we caught them and handed over Al Qaeda scums to US.......Now you tell me you have any problem with that?

 

[ranjeet]

So, why you so exited ? many of them killed during anti terrorist operations and remaining ones fled to Afghanistan....few of them handed over to US as per agreement since we were allies back then and those who were handed over were cross into Pakistan to save their asses but we caught them and handed over Al Qaeda scums to US.......Now you tell me you have any problem with that?

I am not excited, you asked a source for the number and I gave you one. What you do or don't do with missing people within your country is your headache entirely.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I am not excited, you asked a source for the number and I gave you one. What you do or don't do with missing people within your country is your headache entirely.

Lols your obsession with Pakistan is too much.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

I am not excited, you asked a source for the number and I gave you one. What you do or don't do with missing people within your country is your headache entirely.

your source is not a proof rather an allegation.
please quote from Musharraf Book where he stated <4000 Pakistani Handed Over>
In his past Interviews he mentioned that those people were not pakistani, & neither their Govt willing to take them nor we want them in Pakistan so we handed over to US.