How Modi turned India into a CPEC loser.

[Echo_419]

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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Your tape recorder is stuck on hindutva
The fact of the matter is we cannot improve pur ties with pak while you support terrorism in our country

Its because of people like you a lunatic like him got elected in the first place. He attacks Pakistan, we will make sure you have funerals in your homes.

Funeral kiske yaha hinge woh toh wakt bateyaga

 

[Beta-Fighter]

when you have all that facility then why dont you presented to UN that look Pak is attacking us... why you want Pakistan to invested to install everything which you are doing for us..
Plus Pak already requested to UN peace observer to visit sites multiple times.. dont worry we know what to do... we are just not indian who attack on civilian.

Well... India also provided proof to UN about HZ and Un put your country Hero HZ under ban terrorist list? what u have done?

India Don't recognise the UN observes now. Even when they report that terrorist came from PAK , what you did? nothing . therefore no use of them.

If you are so concern show them your TV like India do or are PA afraid that showing up will tell PAK people that they army is getting defeated?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

The thing is the whole land route thing is totally overhyped.Its way more costly to transport over land than over sea.The land connections is middle age caravan mentality in many ways.I don't understand OP's point - how would investing in CPEC help india?Except giving pakistan leverage over india's energy supply chain?
Secondly why would we invest in pakistan when we can do the same in iran with sanctions lifted?Its makes more strategic sense and is more safer.

 

[WAJsal]

First you need to understand that the CPEC runs through disputed territory and therefore illegal.
Secondly, investing in Pakistan for the CPEC with the likes of terrorists such a Hafiz Saeed and his mercenary army on the loose, it would have been a non starter.

Get real. Your delusions are spectacular in scope.

I never really understood India's concerns, let me go in a little details: India has raised concern that CPEC runs through Gilgit-Baltistan, which is a disputed territory and etc, etc....correct. Moving on we need to understand as to what is CPEC, in other words it is better connectivity. Now India's concern sounds the most retarded one to me, reason being GB part of the CPEC was completed back when Karakorum highway was made, we simply fixed roads here and there, better connectivity really. India has a problem with better infrastructure? what is does have a problem with is Pakistan trading with China, and using CPEC as an excuse. In other words GB side of the CPEC(which means better connectivity) was completed a long time ago.
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There is a reason why India never constantly raises it concerns because it too understands as to how stupid these concerns really are. So now India has a problem with Pakistan trading with China, should have raised your concerns back when Karakorum highway was made, my friend.

First you need to understand that the CPEC runs through disputed territory and therefore illegal.
Secondly, investing in Pakistan for the CPEC with the likes of terrorists such a Hafiz Saeed and his mercenary army on the loose, it would have been a non starter.

It is not illegal, GB side of the CPEC is already made, India has a problem with Karakorum highway, that's it.

Let's understand this image, eh...

Basically shit was already completed when Karakorum highway was made, we are simply modifying it, again nobody gives a shit of these concerns, Chinese going through. Russia is investing, Central Asian countries connecting to it, Iran considering, US and UK investing. I can see that it hurts.

@Horus , if you would like to add anything, be my guest.
@Chinese-Dragon , please use this post as reference for future debates.

 

[The Terminator]

Who cares about India? Let them have their own kathak dance alone nobody needs them in CPEC as Pakistan has leverage of too many countries eager to connect to central asia and China through us. From middle East to Europe Gwadar would act like hub for all trade routes of the region

 

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[New Resolve]

See I disagree with the Indian notion that CPEC passes through disputed territory. Ive had a very good look at the map and Nowhere does the CPEC enter Indian Occupied Kashmir hence the Indians are Liar Liar Dhotis on Fire.

far as Modi is concerned, he's been reduced to the typical Hindu Extremist with nothing more than Jingoism to offer, he's just added the selfie to the age old mantra.

 

[Malik Usman]

First time after Indira Gandhi an Indian PM shows spine and deals with Pakistan harshly then he is a terrorist, hindutva, bigot bla bla bla. Get a life. If Pakistan really wanted to have peace talks they would not have invited some third party baboons. Even if the peace talks went ahead Pakistan will not entertain India into CPEC. Even if Pakistan did, Pakistan could have gained a lot from India.So ultimately in this situation due to the ego problems of both countries, both of them have lost out on quite a big opportunity. Just blame Modi for everything haha like Pakistan is always on the right. BTW if a Pakistani is saying India is in wrong hands, that is so much more assuring that whoever is handling India is doing something right and till now Modi has done a lot in various fields than the previous PMs.

And here comes the same old Indians stubbornness...

 

[mpk1988]

Central Asia is overrated?

Do you know Central Asia is called the "geostrategic pivot of history"? And was the main focus of the "Great Game"?

Why do you think we set up the SCO, which India was so desperate to join? It's all about Central Asia.

Precisely why I termed it as overrated!!!

We are not looking to be a superpower or control world politics (Don't mind the ego-inflated posts by some idiots). We will become quite influential simply due to our size, population and potential. That's un-avoidable. However, India does not and cannot afford expansionist or imperial ambitions to play the great game or control the geo-strategic pivot. Besides, our people become satisfied and holistic too easily. We don't really look at a very big picture and it's not in our nature to be all controlling or all powerful.

We leave those imperialistic ambitions to you guys (Chinese), Americans and Russians.. Please leave us out of it!!! Enjoy your success (Pak too) !!!

All we want is access to Central Asia for the market and resources primarily. Strategic games in that region is fraught with peril and would negatively affect our slow but steady development.

BTW, it's not the 1800's or 1900's anymore for vassal states and going after the Indian crown Jewel. I hope you understand that.

Again.. Thanks for the invitation but no thanks!!!

 

[Immanuel]

Why does CPEC have any benefits to India, why would India invest billions into Pak, with no guarantee of returns. The Chinese can take such risks. India doesn't need trade with Pak. India has plenty in its own back yard to invest in.

 

[saiyan0321]

The cpec is a very grand project that has the ability to connect various nations to the central Asian countries. The thing is India can be a huge beneficiary from this project but the lack of trust between india, Pakistan and China plus creating the main route to central Asia through two nations against whom it has disputes with and have fought wars with would always cause uncertainty in India's mind. It would have forced India and Pakistan to have warmer ties since both sides would have gained from this. Indian hostility in recent times will see India being kept out of a very grand and a very easy route to central Asia ...

As for illegal project due to investment in disputed territory. Well that's just senseless and holds no water at all. T

 

[ganesh623]

Indians just need to be stop being jealous of cpec.
Cpec is that magic wand for which pakistan has been waiting for ever. Now just see pakistan transform into a super power over night.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Precisely why I termed it as overrated!!!

We are not looking to be a superpower or control world politics (Don't mind the ego-inflated posts by some idiots). We will become quite influential simply due to our size, population and potential. That's un-avoidable. However, India does not and cannot afford expansionist or imperial ambitions to play the great game or control the geo-strategic pivot. Besides, our people become satisfied and holistic too easily. We don't really look at a very big picture and it's not in our nature to be all controlling or all powerful.

We leave those imperialistic ambitions to the you guys Chinese, Americans and Russians.. Please leave us out of it!!! Enjoy your success (Pak too) !!!

All we want is access to Central Asia for the market and resources primarily. Strategic games in that region is fraught with peril and would negatively affect our slow but steady development.

BTW, it's not the 1800's or 1900's anymore for vassal states and going after the Indian crown Jewel. I hope you understand that.

Again.. Thanks for the invitation but no thanks!!!

Eh?

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[Hulk]

after reading Horus posts... I am amazed. .. he is talking like CPEC will turn 500million (acc to Horus statics) poor into rich blessed citizens. .. CPEC become magic wand to human race....

They keep finding something like that, I have seen tendency with Pakistani's they believe in something will happen and they will be in good shape. Never seen them talking about process but focus more on someone coming and they getting better. All of their policy is totally based on leasing their land one way or other.

Some day back they found trillion dollar worth coals and the news popped up few times

 

[noksss]

Its because of people like you a lunatic like him got elected in the first place. He attacks Pakistan, we will make sure you have funerals in your homes.

Typical Pakistani mentality threating with terror attack when you run out of argument ............Oh wait am I expecting something from a guy who boasted about killing the ex-afghan president

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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Wake me up when you guys give MFN status to India and then we cant discuss about allowing us in CPEC