How Modi turned India into a CPEC loser.

[Echo_419]

Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be another way to articulate the "CPEC is the answer to all of Pakistan's problems" thread.........



Indians get called all kinds of names but when India was never part of CPEC and never wanted to be, Pakistanis are now inserting India into this context and belittling it just to make themselves feel superior.


Whilst CPEC might have been a nice thing for India to be included in, the reality is that relying too much on Pakistan would never be something India is agreeable to and India is the ability to meets its strategic needs by other means- CPEC is neither the Golden egg nor the holy grail it is made out to be. India has plenty of irons in the fire, don't you worry about that...

Exactly it will only harm our long term interest by joining this corridor

What can i say,Pakistanis have been suffering from delusions like this since the last 7 decades!!

Pakistanis are a delusional bunch indeed

 

[Sky lord]

From reading this thread, one would get the impression that the only way to development is to have a border with central asian countries... I wonder how wester Europe, Japan or usa managed so long without any land routes to Kazakhstan.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

From reading this thread, one would get the impression that the only way to development is to have a border with central asian countries... I wonder how wester Europe, Japan or usa managed so long without any land routes to Kazakhstan.

Ever heard of the "Great Game"?

The British Empire and the Russian Empire were fighting for influence in Central Asia. The USA is also betting big on increasing their influence there.

Everyone realizes how important it is, why do you think India was so desperate to join the SCO?

 

[Sky lord]

Ever heard of the "Great Game"?

The British Empire and the Russian Empire were fighting for influence in Central Asia. The USA is also betting big on increasing their influence there.

Everyone realizes how important it is, why do you think India was so desperate to join the SCO?

So if india doesn't have a land route to Kazakhstan , then everything is over for us !! Ok , if you say so buddy.

We don't have a land route to USA either or Japan or Australia...so no way to trade....no hope ....jeez we should just kill ourselves...excuse me while I go cry for a bit.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So if india doesn't have a land route to Kazakhstan , then everything is over for us !! Ok , if you say so buddy.

I obviously never said that.

Because that is quite a dumb thing to say.

Your government obviously understands the importance of Central Asia, hence all their excitement about that Iranian port, that crazy underwater pipeline, and their willingness to plead for SCO membership.

 

[Sky lord]

I obviously never said that.

Because that is quite a dumb thing to say.

Your government obviously understands the importance of Central Asia, hence all their excitement about that Iranian port, that crazy underwater pipeline, and their willingness to plead for SCO membership.

Oh good...I am so relieved that india will not be completely destroyed as a nation if we cant walk to Tajikistan or wherever..isn't that where borat comes from?

There are many ways to skin a cat my friend...I am sure that the Indian government is smart enough to figure out a way to meet our energy needs and export markets with or without Borat..and in the meantime they will continue to explore all options including talking to the devil if need be.

 

[coffee_cup]

...
Afghan President Ashraf Ghani told the Pakistani leadership that if they do not open up the road to India, they will deny Pakistan access to Central Asia...

1) With all their food supplies going through Pakistan and millions of Afghan refugees living in Pakistan, why would Afganistan want to commit suicide by denying access to Central Asia?

2) Pakistan is working on an alternate route which goes through China to Central Asia.

So no real problem for Pakistan, Afghans will be a complete losers though, if they ever deny us access to Central Asia via Afghanistan.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh good...I am so relieved that india will not be completely destroyed as a nation if we cant walk to Tajikistan or wherever..isn't that where borat comes from?

There are many ways to skin a cat my friend...I am sure that the Indian government is smart enough to figure out a way to meet our energy needs and export markets with or without Borat..and in the meantime they will continue to explore all options including talking to the devil if need be.

I love those straw man arguments.

Which is when you can't contest the actual arguments, so you invent a silly argument (that India will be destroyed if they don't have a land connection to Central Asia), pretend that someone else said it, then you DEFEAT your own argument.

Victory!

 

[Sky lord]

I love those straw man arguments.

Which is when you can't contest the actual arguments, so you invent a silly argument (that India will be destroyed if they don't have a land connection to Central Asia), pretend that someone else said it, then you DEFEAT your own argument.

Victory!

"trade with Central Asia" is NOT AN END IN ITSELF, it is only one MEANS of many to improve our lot in the world. We are looking to trade, prosper and develop. For that we need energy, raw materials, technology and markets. If tomorrow Central Asia disappeared from the planet, the rest of the world would go on....maybe a little jolt in the energy markets....but ultimately ....puf ! Nothing terrible. ( sorry to any central Asians reading this - I love Borat ) there are other sources for energy ...and technology in this area is moving fast.


Don't confuse what the Indian government is trying to do.

 

[ravindra1455]

Yunhi tou "(Most) Stupid Prime Minister" google search karnay per 1st number pey nahi ata.

ye to samay hee batayega pakistanio ko ki modi kis balaa ka naam he.

 

[Defunct]

The Indians on this site are some of the dumbest people in the world.

 

[arbit]

See this is my point.

China's goal now is to increase economic connectivity in the region. Everyone knows the history of bloodshed between China and Japan (WW2 being the bloodiest conflict in human history), yet today they are our largest trading partner in Asia. And there is ZERO cross border bloodshed between us. Same as Germany and Britain, who had a similar history of bloodshed. Today there is zero cross-border bloodshed and an overwhelming amount of trade.

India on the other hand, rejects economic connectivity with Pakistan (and regularly fires masses of artillery shells, killing scores of civilians last week alone), rejects CPEC, rejects the One Road One Belt initiative, rejects China's initiatives to increase economic connectivity in Asia, etc.

I don't know, will you be finally happy when there is a nuclear war between India and Pakistan? Is that what you are aiming for?

@Horus

See the original post is basically pathological level of hatred masquerading as analysis. Which in itself is so wrong at so many levels that it would be a pointless wastage of 5 minutes of my life dissecting that but lets discuss what you have said (though I strongly suspect you wrote this with tongue firmly in cheek)


1. Yes, China and Japan have had their history but neither of you will stake its survival or progress to spite the other. Economy is the weapon of choice in this battle. Like you said China's goal is to increase economic connectivity, I believe Japans prefers the same path itself.
This is where we differ from this eastern equation.

For example consider the fact that - India granted MFN status to pakistan decades back. Unilaterally. pakistan still hasn't reciprocated.
MFN status was not granted to trade Jalebis. It was done to enhance financial interdependence, promote peace and prosperity and probably lessen the chances of war. pakistan instead prefers to sulk and follow its stated policy of bleeding india through thousand cuts.

This kind of diabolical hatred where everything ends with pakistan lobbing a nuclear hand grenade inside our territory has no solution. Not now atleast. There was a time when we had a similar culture and values but now the society of pakistan is radicalised beyond redemption ( i'l elaborate on this society aspect some other time), which you chinese (no offence) might find difficult to comprehend as well as us.

Also note, China and India share a border as well where not a bullet has been fired between each side's forces inspite of transgressions from either side. This reflects the maturity of the leadership of both countries but we just can't keep things calm on our western side. Tells you something eh.
By the way, FYI, Sartaj Aziz, pakistan's NSA has recently issued us a nuclear threat. Again When was the last time our government official threatened to nuke beijing ! Or China and Japan threatened to nuke each other.

2. This brings me to another point of you acting like a innocent teen and blaming everything on India. We fire shells into pakistan, we oppose trade etc etc. Though i CAN understand you taking a biased view of pakistan on account of you being their higher and deeper than stuff friends but your Xi is more pragmatic than you think.

Lastly, We aint looking for a nuclear war we have much further to go and we are just starting, why would we want to jeopardise that with a nuclear holocaust!

 

[Abingdonboy]

The level of insecurity that must exist to create such a thread is truly mind-boggling.


I've never seen a thread titled "How Zadari/Sharif turned Pakistan into a DMIC loser"

The DMIC is not all too dissimilar to CPEC in turns of goals and has investments from Japan, Israel, France, UK and perhaps China and Russia in the future. But I forgot the new golden rule of PDF- CPEC is world-changing and simply unfathomably amazing that has been sent down from the heavens from God himself to bless the holy land of Pakistan.

Oh but it is Indians that get labelled obsessed and paranoid with Pakistan

This is a new low on PDF



Unless this is an attempt by the Mod to intentionally provoke Indian members and get themselves banned......

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

@ all Indians

Nobody cares what projects are being implemented in India since this a PAKISTANI website everything relevant to Pakistan will be discussed and perhaps countless times. Projection will always go to Pakistani interest. If you Indians are not liking it or getting bored with it than better start learning to ignore those topics.Yes CPEC is a mega project for Pakistan and will be discussed 1000^1000 times moving forward.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

@ all Indians

Nobody cares what projects are being implemented in India since this a PAKISTANI website everything relevant to Pakistan will be discussed and perhaps countless times. Projection will always go to Pakistani interest. If you Indians are not liking it or getting bored with it than better start learning to ignore those topics.Yes CPEC is a mega project for Pakistan and will be discussed 1000^1000 times moving forward.

If you missed it, it was NOT the Indians that started this thread. A Pakistani Mod, who normally indulges only in one-liners, started this thread for a change and decided to call Modi a "CPEC loser" for not joining hands for CPEC (whatever that "CPEC loser" means)!

Obviously he had to be shown the mirror for how Pakistanis can also be called as "DMIC losers".

Indians, on their part, couldn't care less about any Chinese investment in Pakistan except for their involvement in the "Disputed territory of J&K".

As for the "rest of your country", sell it out to the highest bidder, for all we care.