How Malcom X urged Americans to convert to Islam

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

I don't think you claimed to be an expert so I give you that and that you are trying to learn. I appreciate that!

The shahada(testimony or profession of faith) to become a Muslim. It is also the first pillar of Islam which are five(Shahada, Salat, Zakat, Fasting, pilgrimage)


لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muḥammadur rasūlu-llāh
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.





Word game truth, perception or reality? However what you have mentioned above could be perception as I found "It would seem that photons would be matter whereas the waves wouldn't. It turns out that for both theories light isn't matter. A photon is not matter because it has no mass. This is different from matter such as electrons and neutrons which have masses" I don't think we are talking light here. You could be wrong about most perceptions but that will not be your way out on day of judgement! So indeed keep an open mind!



I do! Allah has ordered muslims to bring the peace on Islamic terms (call it pax Islamica). One that is bound by his covenant, by people who hold it for his supremacy and believe in the day of judgement. Your version of the truth may be whatever but there is only one divine Truth and therein lies salvation. I know it is hard to swallow for a non Muslim but the ayah above are not an order for chaos and killing they are for war and their are different ayahs for laws of war.



Wrong? Dhimmi is one under a dhimma a covenant of protection. You are right dhimma must accept Muslim dominance and that the dhimmis are not allowed to have weapons or form military. In return they live under their rule, their law and their religion. They pay jizyah but muslims pay a mandatory Zakat. There is plenty written in this forum that you can find and enlighten yourself.



Well if all kuffar were of same race it still wouldn't be racist! It is not about race! Do you object to muslims calling themselves as Muslim(and Muslims are not a single race)? Why would you object to muslims calling people who reject islam as kafir? Is gentile or goyim a racist term? Though goyim refers to as nations other then Isreal?




What a waste of time! Go fly kites

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Word game truth, perception or reality? However what you have mentioned above are perceptions as I found "It would seem that photons would be matter whereas the waves wouldn't. It turns out that for both theories light isn't matter. A photon is not matter because it has no mass. This is different from matter such as electrons and neutrons which have masses", I don't think we are talking light here. You could be wrong about most perceptions but that will not be your way out on day of judgement! So indeed keep an open mind!

Keep an open mind to consider the possibility there is no judgement day, only rebirth.

I do! Allah has ordered muslims to bring the peace on Islamic terms (call it pax Islamica). One that is bound by his covenant, by people who hold it for his supremacy and believe in the day of judgement. Your version of the truth may be whatever but there is only one divine Truth and therein lies salvation. I know it is hard to swallow for a non Muslim but the ayah above are not an order for chaos and killing they are for war and their are different ayahs for laws of war.

LOL....so in short Allah has told you to attack and kill kafirs, take my women and children shalves and convert al to muslims

Nice. It is kind of hard for me to swallow, but I guess evil is what evil does.

Wrong? Dhimmi is one under a dhimma a covenant of protection. You are right dhimma must accept Muslim dominance and that the dhimmis are not allowed to have weapons or form military. In return they live under their rule, their law and their religion. They pay jizyah but muslims pay a mandatory Zakat. There is plenty written in this forum that you can find and enlighten yourself.

What a pity you have to pay Zakat after invading, raping, killing and taking slaves from kaifirs and branding them "dhimmis" ...... I truly feel for you plight.

Well if all kuffar were of same race it still wouldn't be racist! It is not about race! Do you object to muslims calling themselves as Muslim(and Muslims are not a single race)? Why would you object to muslims calling people who reject islam as kafir? Is gentile or goyim a racist term? Though goyim refers to as nations other then Isreal?

Since you hold a narrow definition of "race" to be a Racist, maybe I should should call it "Bigotry". Does that work for you ?

What a waste of time! Go fly kites

Did you find out Islams view on Slavery ? ..... care to enlighten us ?

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Keep an open mind to consider the possibility there is no judgement day, only rebirth.

So you are pulling wool over the eyes of others and peddling your own hash... I know there are plenty of theories rebirth ad infinitum holds no water.

LOL....so in short Allah has told you to attack and kill kafirs, take my women and children shalves and convert al to muslims

Nice. It is kind of hard for me to swallow, but I guess evil is what evil does.

You must understand that the creator of the universe gives and takes life and it is a matter of fact. Death while maybe the end here in this life it is not necessarily the end all!

Good and Evil are domains of the creator! Who created men with a certain nature and laid down his law. Nothing could be called good without his blessing nor evil without his decree. Islam conforms to nature and abhors unnatural in act and deed.

What a pity you have to pay Zakat after invading, raping, killing and taking slaves from kaifirs and branding them "dhimmis" ...... I truly feel for you plight.

Branding dhimmis? Who has been schooling you kid? Dhimmi is the one under the covenant "Dhimma" this is arabic for you.

Since you hold a narrow definition of "race" to be a Racist, maybe I should should call it "Bigotry". Does that work for you ?

Face palm! What should muslims call group of people that reject islam? Further why would a Kafir feel offended if he or she is comfortable with what he or she is?

Looks like your thought is still developing Kafir is a generic term for a non Muslim. While they fundamentally remain hindu, Buddhist or Sikh.

Did you find out Islams view on Slavery ? ..... care to enlighten us ?

Check out Bilal or further yet Mamluk. Maybe you'll learn something.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

So you are pulling wool over the eyes of others and peddling your own hash... I know there are plenty of theories rebirth ad infinitum holds no water.

LOL...Hindus do not peddle religion like muslims or christians.

You must understand that the creator of the universe gives and takes life and it is a matter of fact. Death while maybe the end here in this life it is not necessarily the end all!

Good and Evil are domains of the creator! Who created men with a certain nature and laid down his law. Nothing could be called good without his blessing nor evil without his decree. Islam conforms to nature and abhors unnatural in act and deed.

How convenient ..... so all evil deeds on kafirs like me is sanctioned by god ........ nature also has incest and inbreeding. So in your own words islam has it too as it conforms to nature

Branding dhimmis? Who has been schooling you kid? Dhimmi is the one under the covenant "Dhimma" this is arabic for you.

So is Nigger english for you

Face palm! What should muslims call group of people that reject islam? Further why would a Kafir feel offended if he or she is comfortable with what he or she is?

You can call them Hindus, buddhists, christians, atheists etc. That is the civilized non bigoted way. .... I am not aware of anyone being comfortable with being called a kafir ..... you like being called a Nigger ?

Looks like your thought is still developing Kafir is a generic term for a non Muslim. While they fundamentally remain hindu, Buddhist or Sikh.

And Nigger is a generic term for a non White, and Faggot is a generic term for a Homosexual. They too fndamentally continue to remain black or Gay

Check out Bilal or further yet Mamluk. Maybe you'll learn something.

Why don't you check out what Allah himself has told you ? .... isn't that much better ?

Look up Quran and Slavery, and tell me what it says.

 

[terry5]

 

[SarthakGanguly]

He believed in a religion that legitimized violence. It did not grant him freedom to even leave the religion. Btw, Nation of Islam and Islam are slightly different, aren't they?

I have just completed my pilgrimage (Hajj) here to the Holy City of Mecca . . . which is absolutely forbidden for non-Muslims to even rest their eyes upon.

Is this the "equality" he is praising ?

Seems so.

It's a fundamental view in every religion otherwise that religion won't have any followers. Is that easy enough for you now? And Islam is indeed proven to be superior to other religions thus there's nothing wrong in calling it what it is.

Wrong. Only Abrahamic faiths say so. Christians and Jews hardly believe in the exclusivity of their superiority of their faith. So that leaves us with Muslims - the only group that believes in being higher than all other. In short, all men are equal, only Muslims are more equal than others.

As for Islam being superior, it is very evidently superior in a number of aspects, as we can see from Syria to Algeria, from Chechnia to Nigeria.

 

[terry5]

[QUOTE="SarthakGanguly, post: 7799064, member: 146551"]He believed in a religion that legitimized violence. It did not grant him freedom to even leave the religion. Btw, Nation of Islam and Islam are slightly different, aren't they?


Seems so. [/QUOTE]

Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam and converted to Sunni Islam

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He believed in a religion that legitimized violence. It did not grant him freedom to even leave the religion. Btw, Nation of Islam and Islam are slightly different, aren't t

When a Hindu extremist who encourages killings lies about another faith !

Islam just like every religion talks about war,peace, abd every aspect of human life...

Even your scriptures .. Jewish and Christian books also talk about war and killing... Does that mean those religions are legitimise violence ... Forgetting the fact that turds like yourself encourage killings of your own Muslim countrymen?


Islam doesn't talk about any punishment for leaving the religion... It say in Quran "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

As a lawyer we were also taught Islamic Jurisprudence.

Wrong. Only Abrahamic faiths say so. Christians and Jews hardly believe in the exclusivity of their superiority of their faith. So that leaves us with Muslims - the only group that believes in being higher than all other. In short, all men are equal, only Muslims are more equal than others.

As for Islam being superior, it is very evidently superior in a number of aspects, as we can see from Syria to Algeria, from Chechnia to Nigeria.

Says the clown whose religion considers others mlechas...

And whose followers (like yourself) are killing ppl over cows n imaginary temples.

I have just completed my pilgrimage (Hajj) here to the Holy City of Mecca . . . which is absolutely forbidden for non-Muslims to even rest their eyes upon.

Is this the "equality" he is praising ?

There are temples in India where non Hindus and even Dalits aren't allowed to enter..

[QUOTE="SarthakGanguly, post: 7799064, member: 146551"]He believed in a religion that legitimized violence. It did not grant him freedom to even leave the religion. Btw, Nation of Islam and Islam are slightly different, aren't they?


Seems so.

Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam and converted to Sunni Islam

[/QUOTE]

A White is not superior to a black .. A black is not superior to a White.. An arab isn't superior to a non Arab and a non Arab is not superior to an Arab ... A person is only superior by his virtue !

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

LOL...Hindus do not peddle religion like muslims or christians.

I have seen otherwise in fact peddling dharma and even trying to incorporate other religious practices. I guess trying to Present it as more palatable for Western audience. What you are saying above could be labeled as misrepresentation, exclusivity, living a lie so on and so forth.

How convenient ..... so all evil deeds on kafirs like me is sanctioned by god ........ nature also has incest and inbreeding. So in your own words islam has it too as it conforms to nature

I think human nature is not that would you agree? Each creature has its way and perversions to it oddly enough you can point to it! Just the point!

Also as I mentioned good cannot be good unless it is sanctioned as such and likewise for evil. So you may wear tights, not eat beef, eat pigs, no meat, only meat, dip in sewer so on and so forth... have no bearing! Pundits or Mullahs may call things good or bad hold no water.

So is Nigger english for you



You can call them Hindus, buddhists, christians, atheists etc. That is the civilized non bigoted way. .... I am not aware of anyone being comfortable with being called a kafir ..... you like being called a Nigger ?



And Nigger is a generic term for a non White, and Faggot is a generic term for a Homosexual. They too fndamentally continue to remain black or Gay

I see you don't want to be called as such but I'll maintain that Kafir is not a slur but annotates a non believer according to Islam. Would you rather be called a gentile by Christians?

Why don't you check out what Allah himself has told you ? .... isn't that much better ?

Look up Quran and Slavery, and tell me what it says.

I thought slaves themselves who became muslims could contextualize something for. If something really sticks out say it or stay quite! What you see are victims of persecution of caste of creed and color turning to Islam if that doesn't open your mind ... Nothing will! Yet you feel you should have say on how muslims call a non Muslim.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

When a Hindu extremist who encourages killings lies about another faith !

Islam just like every religion talks about war,peace, abd every aspect of human life...

Even your scriptures .. Jewish and Christian books also talk about war and killing... Does that mean those religions are legitimise violence ... Forgetting the fact that turds like yourself encourage killings of your own Muslim countrymen?


Islam doesn't talk about any punishment for leaving the religion... It say in Quran "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

As a lawyer we were also taught Islamic Jurisprudence.

Says the clown whose religion considers others mlechas...

And whose followers (like yourself) are killing ppl over cows n imaginary temples.


There are temples in India where non Hindus and even Dalits aren't allowed to enter..

Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam and converted to Sunni Islam

Islam is not a religion. It's a military doctrine.

As a lawyer we were also taught Islamic Jurisprudence.

Then you know what is abrogation.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

There are temples in India where non Hindus and even Dalits aren't allowed to enter..

True. Temples are not for Non Hindus ......... its not a public garden.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Islam is not a religion. It's a military doctrine.

Another one liner by a Hindu terrorist who encourages violence & killings...

Why am I not surprised at the hatred spewed by this ignorant hate filled creature..

Then you know what is abrogation.

And what diss abrogation have to do with your nonsense or even the topic? Merely douchebagery at display by you as usual..

True. Temples are not for Non Hindus ......... its not a public garden.

When you can't tolerate your own fellow Hindus of lower caste .. Then why cry about Mecca being off limits to non muslims?

 

[Mamsalaphala]

When you can't tolerate your own fellow Hindus of lower caste .. Then why cry about Mecca being off limits to non muslims?

All Hindus are allowed, NON Hindus are not allowed.

Non Hindus can enter if they follow the rules of Shuddhi.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

All Hindus are allowed, NON Hindus are not allowed.

Non Hindus can enter if they follow the rules of Shuddhi.

Dalits fume over fine on their women for entering temple in Karnataka: The Hindu - Mobile edition

Dalits not allowed to serve food at temple feast - The Times of India

100 Dalits arrested for trying to enter temple - NDTV

No entry for Dalits in Gujarat temple | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Dalits are not allowed to enter Temples in 77 villages of Gujarat | Muslim Issues


Shudi dhudi whudi.

 

[Maira La]

Its no different from discrimination based on Race or creed.

Not it is different. Racism is the most disgusting form of discrimination - it's based on your biological identity - looking down on one's biological identity is akin to disrespecting their biological existence.

I wish Muslims didn't discriminate against non-Muslims, but it's far better than the Hindus' "born low-caste and forever low-caste" discrimination!! Now that's hell, no escape - you can't even convert to higher caste!