How Malcom X urged Americans to convert to Islam

[Zarvan]

Unfortunately two years later Louis Farrakhan (who is just as bad as Elijah Mohammed) took over and may have reversed some/all of it. He's been running it ever since.

Nation of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In 1977, Louis Farrakhan rejected Warith Deen Mohammed's leadership and re-established the Nation of Islam on the original model. He took over the Nation of Islam's headquarter Temple,"

Louis has hardly few thousands members nation of Islam had more than million members all of them converted to Sunni Islam

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Louis has hardly few thousands members nation of Islam had more than million members all of them converted to Sunni Islam

I don't know the membership numbers in 1975 when Warith Dean Mohammed took over.
But yes he converted everybody to Sunni and then disbanded the Nation of Islam hoping everybody would go to regular Sunni Mosques. However two year later Louis Farrakan rebuilt the Nation of Islam, rejected what Warith told the former members, and now runs it with the "old way". Not sure of its membership numbers but it is big enough for Farrakan to be noticed.

It's way more than a few thousand.

 

[Zarvan]

I don't know the membership numbers in 1975 when Warith Dean Mohammed took over.
But yes he converted everybody to Sunni and then disbanded the Nation of Islam hoping everybody would go to regular Sunni Mosques. However two year later Louis Farrakan rebuilt the Nation of Islam, rejected what Warith told the former members, and now runs it with the "old way". Not sure of its membership numbers but it is big enough for Farrakan to be noticed.

It's way more than a few thousand.

No total members are 20000 and those who were converted to Sunni remained Sunnis in fact thousands and thousands of them went Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Islamic countries to learn Islam and after returning served Islam and are still serving Islam.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No total members are 20000 and those who were converted to Sunni remained Sunnis in fact thousands and thousands of them went Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Islamic countries to learn Islam and after returning served Islam and are still serving Islam.

I didn't say all of them rejoined the Nation of Islam. I'm sure a good percentage did not rejoin.

Nation of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Membership (2007) 50,000 (est.)[1]

"Malcolm X rose rapidly to become the minister and national spokesperson for the NOI. Highly influenced by Malcolm X's membership, the Nation claimed a membership of 30,000."

There wasn't many back then either but apparently there are more now.

Warith Mohammed had noble intentions. He saw (just as Malcom X did) that his father Elijah was basically running a cult. After his father's death he attempted to shut the cult down by converting everybody to Sunni and dissolving the NOI. Unfortunately Louis Farrakhan (a high ranking NOI member) was not in agreement and resurrected the NOI with himself at the helm.

I believe even Warith has attempted to sue Farakhan for using the name without permission.

Edit: Shirk: What’s in a name? - The Problem with the “Nation of Islam” (All parts) - The Religion of Islam

 

[JUBA]

There is no equality in Islam when you insist on treating Non-Islamic people with disresepct.

Its no different from discrimination based on Race or creed.


Calling oneself or their beliefs "superior" and others "inferior" is the very essence of Bigotry and Racism. The very opposite of Equality.

Again, read what I wrote carefully and take your western "version" of equality and flush it down the drain cuz it's baseless and illogical. So read carefully; Islamic equality is biased on race NOT religion all people of all colors are equal in Islam. Every religion on this earth believes and preach that it's the true superior religion so that is not exclusive to Islam. It's a fundamental view in every religion otherwise that religion won't have any followers. Is that easy enough for you now? And Islam is indeed proven to be superior to other religions thus there's nothing wrong in calling it what it is.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Again, read what I wrote carefully and take your western "version" of equality and flush it down the drain cuz it's baseless and illogical. So read carefully; Islamic equality is biased on race NOT religion all people of all colors are equal in Islam. Every religion on this earth believes and preach that it's the true superior religion so that is not exclusive to Islam. It's a fundamental view in every religion otherwise that religion won't have any followers. Is that easy enough for you now?

LOL..... My "version" is based on the Declaration of Principles on Equality as defined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which is part of the UN Charter

ALL Nations on earth is a signatory to that ...... including yours.

So you can take your "Islamic definition" and flush it down quicker cuz no one really gives a $hit.

You are in no position to either make a commentary or pass judgement on every other religion on earth. That is just a desperate attempt in white washing your ugly stains.

Dharmic religions do not claim desperate superiority .... they only provide explanation and show the path to higher aspirations. Not that I expect you to either know or understand this fundamental view.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

LOL..... My "version" is based on the Declaration of Principles on Equality as defined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which is part of the UN Charter

ALL Nations on earth is a signatory to that ...... including yours.

So you can take your "Islamic definition" and flush it down quicker cuz no one really gives a $hit.

You are in no position to either make a commentary or pass judgement on every other religion on earth. That is just a desperate attempt in white washing your ugly stains.

Dharmic religions do not claim desperate superiority .... they only provide explanation and show the path to higher aspirations. Not that I expect you to either know or understand this fundamental view.

Truth needs no superiority! It is evident or becomes evident. Islam calls to the universal monotheism of God. In fact all attributes of God in Islam are universal! Sorry to burst your bubble but muslims believe in universal Merciful God (Ar-Rahman) and each and every attribute is universal in its standing.

Now coming to truth! It will manifest itself

"In the name of God, the infinitely Compassionate and Merciful.
Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.
The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.
You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.
Guide us on the straight path,
the path of those who have received your grace;
not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray".
Al-Fateha

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Truth needs no superiority! It is evident or becomes evident. Islam calls to the universal monotheism of God. In fact all attributes of God in Islam are universal! Sorry to burst your bubble but muslims believe in universal Merciful God (Ar-Rahman) and each and every attribute is universal in its standing.

Now coming to truth! It will manifest itself

"In the name of God, the infinitely Compassionate and Merciful.
Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.
The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.
You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.
Guide us on the straight path,
the path of those who have received your grace;
not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray".
Al-Fateha

Be wary of strangers who come to sell you "truths"

If it was so self evident, then there is no need for someone to declare himself prophet and claim to speak on behalf of god, is there ?

Your can believe what ever you want. .......... as long as you do not declare others religion as "untrue" "inferior"or "devil worship" or just plain "kaffir"

Tell me you don't and burst my bubble.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Be wary of strangers who come to sell you "truths"

If it was so self evident, then there is no need for someone to declare himself prophet and claim to speak on behalf of god, is there ?

Your can believe what ever you want. .......... as long as you do not declare others religion as "untrue" "inferior"or "devil worship" or just plain "kaffir"

Tell me you don't and burst my bubble.

I think you didn't read my post completely. There can't be two or more truths could there? What I noted above is also the day of judgement(again a Muslim belief) where the transgressions will be judged. Now you are perfectly fine and free in believing what you want and that is what you and everyone else will be tried for. The argument falls flat for the one who doesn't believe in day of judgement but that doesn't mean it will not happen and here my friend is real difference "Belief" hence the terms which are totally native such as calling a non believer a Kafir! It implies to the brotherhood of believers are Muslim who submitted to Allah and ones who rejected as Kafirun.

I also think that this thread is doing disservice to the letter of Malcom X by not publishing the whole content of this letter. I'd see if I can do it.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

to americans islam is just a cult. I agree with them. has some rabid followers who just conform and can have no independent thoughts.

Enlighten me O wise one on your independent thought or return back to rock you popped out of!

 

[Mamsalaphala]

I think you didn't read my post completely. There can't be two or more truths could there?

"ill allah hi allah muhammad ya rasul allah"

Not according to Islam ........... as per islam there is ONLY ONE truth. There is no god but Allah Alone, and Muhammad is his only Messenger.

I don't think you have read islam correctly.

What I noted above is also the day of judgement(again a Muslim belief) where the transgressions will be judged.

This is also a Jewish and Christian belief. In short its an Abrahamic belief.

Now you are perfectly fine and free in believing what you want and that is what you and everyone else will be tried for. The argument falls flat for the one who doesn't believe in day of judgement but that doesn't mean it will not happen and here my friend is real difference "Belief" hence the terms which are totally native such as calling a non believer a Kafir! It implies to the brotherhood of believers are Muslim who submitted to Allah and ones who rejected as Kafirun.

This would have been fine if only islam had not called for the killing of kafirs, taking them and their women and children slaves ....... and saying allah will forgive for doing such to kafirs

As if that was not enough, the kafir then get to be branded as "dhimmis" i.e. second class citizens.

You should have just stuck to calling them "kafirs" or "niggers".

I also think that this thread is doing disservice to the letter of Malcom X by not publishing the whole content of this letter. I'd see if I can do it.

Malcom X rejected Christianity for Islam. It was a mark of protest, not faith.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

"ill allah hi allah muhammad ya rasul allah"

Not according to Islam ........... as per islam there is ONLY ONE truth. There is no god but Allah Alone, and Muhammad is his only Messenger.

I don't think you have read islam correctly.

What is this? A lesson in English? Or Arabic? I don't know what you scribbled up there...

If you had understood that is exactly what I meant! Capital T "Truth"! The straight path however that is what Muslims believe and the others are bound to find out.

This is also a Jewish and Christian belief. In short its an Abrahamic belief.

Correct!

This would have been fine if only islam had not called for the killing of kafirs, taking them and their women and children slaves ....... and saying allah will forgive for doing such to kafirs

As if that was not enough, the kafir then get to be branded as "dhimmis" i.e. second class citizens.

You should have just stuck to calling them "kafirs" or "niggers".

Now when you are trying to go deep be specific! Killing a Human being any Human is equal to killing the whole of humanity! Kafir or no Kafir nobody is fair play.

"Dhimmi" literally means protected by covenant! It doesn't mean 2nd class citizen... in fact it provides separate jurisprudence and protects way of life of non believers.

Again! Kafir is one who rejects Islam nigger is a racial slur!

Malcom X rejected Christianity for Islam. It was a mark of protest, not faith.

Malcom X rejected Christianity for Nation of Islam. He chose Islam on its full merits! Do read his writings after becoming Muslim including this letter.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Here is the full excerpt


"Mecca, Saudi Arabia – April 26th, 1964

I have just completed my pilgrimage (Hajj) here to the Holy City of Mecca, the hollyiest City on earth, which is absolutely forbidden for non-Muslims to even rest their eyes upon. This pilgrimage is the most important event in the life of all Muslims, and there are over 226,000 who are here right now from outside of Arabia. From Turkey came the largest contagion, around 50,000 in over 600 buses. This refutes Westerner propaganda that Turkey is turning away from Islam.

I know of only 2 others who have made the actual Hajj to Mecca from America, and both of them are West Indians who also converts to Islam. Mr. Elijah Muhammad, 2 of his sons, and a couple of his followers visited Mecca outside the Hajj season, and their visit is known as the “Omra”, or Lesser Pilgrimage. It is con-

(Page 2) -sidered a blessing in the Muslim World even to make the “Omra”. I very much doubt that 10 American citizens have ever visited Mecca, and I do believe that I might be the first American born Negro to make the actual Hajj itself. I’m not saying this to boast but only to point out what a wonderful accomplishment and blessing it is, and also to enable you to be in a better position intellectually to evaluate it in its proper light, and then your own intelligence can place it in its proper place.

This pilgrimage to the Holliest of Cities as been a unique experience for me, but one which as made me the recipient of numerous unexpected blessings beyond my wildest dreams.

Shortly after my arrival in Jeddah, I was met by Prince Muhammed Faisal who informed me that his illustrious father, his Excellency Crowned Prince Faisal had decret that I be that I The ruler of Arabia be his Guest. What has happened since then would take several books to described, but through the ***** of his Excellency I have since stayed in ***** hotels in Jeddah, Mecca, Mina – with a private car, a driver, a religious guide, and many servants at my disposal.

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Never have I been so highly honored and never had such honor and respect made me feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe that such blessing could be heaped upon an American Negro!!! (But) in the Muslim World, when one accepts Islam and ceases to be white or Negro, Islam recognizes all men as Men because the people here in Arabia believe that God is One, they believe that all people are also One, and that all our brothers and sisters is One Human Family.

I have never before witnessed such sincere hospitality and the practice of true brotherhood as I have seen it here in Arabia. In fact all I have seen and experienced on this pilgrimage as forced me to “re-arrange” much of thoughts pattern and to toss aside some

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of my previous conclusions. This “adjustment to reality” wasn’t to difficult for me to undergo, because despite my firm conviction in whatever I believe, I have always tried to keep an open mind, which is absolutely necessary to reflect the flexibility that must go hand in hand with anyone with intelligent quest for truth never comes to an end.

There are Muslims here of all colors and from every part of this earth. During the past days here in Mecca (Jeddah, Mina, and Mustaliph) while understanding the rituals of the Hajj, I have eaten. From the same plate, drank from the same glass and slept on the same bed or rug – with Kings, potentates and other forms of rulers – ******* with fellow Muslims whose skin was the whitest of white, whose eyes was the bluest of blue, and whose hair was the blondest of blond – I could look into their blue eyes and see that they regarded me as the same (Brothers), because their faith in One God (Allah) had actually removed “white” from their mind, which automatically changed their attitude and their behavior (towards) people of other colors. Their beliefs in the Oneness as made them so different from American whites that their colors played no part in my mind in my dealing with them. Their sincere

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To One God and their acceptance of all people as equals makes them (so called “Whites”) also accepted as equals into the brotherhood of Islam along with the non-whites.

If white Americans could accept the religion of Islam, if they could accept the Oneness of God (Allah) they too could then sincerely accept the Oneness of Men, and cease to measure others always in terms of their “difference in color”. And with racism now plaguing in America like an incurable cancer all thinking Americans should be more respective to Islam as an already proven solution to the race problem.

The American Negro could never be blamed for his racial “animosities” because his are only reaction or defense mechanism which is subconscious intelligence has forced him to react

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against the conscious racism practiced (initiated against Negroes in America) by American Whites. But as America’s insane obsession with racism leads her up the suicidal path, nearer to the precipice that leads to the bottomless pits below, I do believe that Whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, through their own young, less hampered intellects will see the “Handwriting on the Wall” and turn for spiritual salvation to the religion of Islam, and force the older generation to turn with them—

This is the only way white America can worn off the inevitable disaster that racism always leads to, and Hitler’s Nazi Germany was best proof of this.

Now that have visited Mecca and gotten my own personal spiritual path adjusted to where I can better understand the depth of my religion (Islam), I shall be living in a couple days to continue my journey into our African Fatherland. Allah willing, by May 20th before my return to New York, I shall have visited Sudan, Kenya, Tanguanyika, Zanzibar, Nigeria, Ghana, and Algeria.
You may use this letter in anyway you desire,

El-Hajj Malik El-Shabbazz
(Malcolm X)"

 

[Mamsalaphala]

What is this? A lesson in English? Or Arabic? I don't know what you scribbled up there...

If you understood that is exactly what I meant! Capital T "Truth"! The straight path however that is what Muslims believe and the others are bound to find out.

LOL. "ill allah hi allah muhammad ya rasul allah" is the very FIRST Kalima. One of the pillars of islam, one of its fundamental beliefs. It means there is no god but Allah Alone, and Muhammad is his only Messenger.

Truth is a patter of perception so there very well can be more than one truth. Light is matter AND energy. Two truths. Only you need to keep an open mind to realize it.

Now when you are trying to go deep be specific! Killing a Human being any Human is equal to killing the whole of humanity! Kafir or no Kafir nobody is fair play.

Let me me specific

Quran 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists (Kafir) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (Ransom), let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Looks like Allah has made killing of Kafir fair play. Maybe you should try reading quran for a change.

"Dhimmi" literally means protected by covenant! It doesn't mean 2nd class citizen... in fact it provides separate jurisprudence and protects way of life of non believers.

WRONG.

Dhimmi literally means indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. That makes them second class citizens.

Again! Kafir is one who rejects Islam nigger is a racial slur!

Kafir is anyone who has a different belief. A Racist term indicating those who are different. (because of their faith)

Not so different from a Nigger, a racist term indicating one who is different (by looks)

or Faggot, a racist term indicating one who is different (sexual orientation)

Malcom X rejected Christianity for Nation of Islam. He chose Islam on its full merits! Do read his writings after becoming Muslim including this letter.

Quite frankly Malcom X was a malcontent. I really don't care either way if he was a muslim or not.

You might want to read up on Quran sanction for Slavery.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

LOL. "ill allah hi allah muhammad ya rasul allah" is the very FIRST Kalima. One of the pillars of islam, one of its fundamental beliefs. It means there is no god but Allah Alone, and Muhammad is his only Messenger.

I don't think you claimed to be an expert so I give you that and that you are trying to learn. I appreciate that!

The shahada(testimony or profession of faith) to become a Muslim. It is also the first pillar of Islam which are five(Shahada, Salat, Zakat, Fasting, pilgrimage)


لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muḥammadur rasūlu-llāh
There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Truth is a patter of perception so there very well can be more than one truth. Light is matter AND energy. Two truths. Only you need to keep an open mind to realize it.

Word game truth, perception or reality? However what you have mentioned above are perceptions as I found "It would seem that photons would be matter whereas the waves wouldn't. It turns out that for both theories light isn't matter. A photon is not matter because it has no mass. This is different from matter such as electrons and neutrons which have masses", I don't think we are talking light here. You could be wrong about most perceptions but that will not be your way out on day of judgement! So indeed keep an open mind!

Let me me specific

Quran 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists (Kafir) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (Ransom), let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Looks like Allah has made killing of Kafir fair play. Maybe you should try reading quran for a change.

I do! Allah has ordered muslims to bring the peace on Islamic terms (call it pax Islamica). One that is bound by his covenant, by people who hold it for his supremacy and believe in the day of judgement. Your version of the truth may be whatever but there is only one divine Truth and therein lies salvation. I know it is hard to swallow for a non Muslim but the ayah above are not an order for chaos and killing they are for war and their are different ayahs for laws of war.

WRONG.

Dhimmi literally means indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. That makes them second class citizens.

Wrong? Dhimmi is one under a dhimma a covenant of protection. You are right dhimma must accept Muslim dominance and that the dhimmis are not allowed to have weapons or form military. In return they live under their rule, their law and their religion. They pay jizyah but muslims pay a mandatory Zakat. There is plenty written in this forum that you can find and enlighten yourself.

Kafir is anyone who has a different belief. A Racist term indicating those who are different. (because of their faith)

Not so different from a Nigger, a racist term indicating one who is different (by looks)

or Faggot, a racist term indicating one who is different (sexual orientation)

Well if all kuffar were of same race it still wouldn't be racist! It is not about race! Do you object to muslims calling themselves as Muslim(and Muslims are not a single race)? Why would you object to muslims calling people who reject islam as kafir? Is gentile or goyim a racist term? Though goyim refers to as nations other then Isreal?

Quite frankly Malcom X was a malcontent. I really don't care either way if he was a muslim or not.

What a waste of time! Go fly kites