How LCA-Tejas MK1A stakes up against JF-17 and Gripen-E in terms of Affordability?

[ni8mare]

a prototype.

How it is a prototype???

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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You are talking as if JF 17 is inducted by Pakistan Navy. Indian navy rejected it because it was under power for naval operation which requires atleast 20 to 30% higher thrust with twin engine configuration and Tejas does not fit into that. When we will build one with our own HAL 35 to 40 KN Dry thrust twin engine version, IN will happily accept it.

What the fuk are you smoking?

It's already being used for that purpose by PAF

 

[Water Car Engineer]

where are they stationed ?

For now, Bangalore.

 

[ni8mare]

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What the fuk are you smoking?

It's already being used for that purpose by PAF


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So it is taking off from any carrier??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So it is taking off from any carrier??

Are all aircrafts supposed too? or are u just too thick.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Are all aircrafts supposed too? or are u just too thick.

In the context you quoted, it is. Jaugar is also doing those ops, IN doesn't want a jaugar either.

IN wants a fighter that is already operating from a carrier, long legged. JF17 would get rejected no different to Tejas, or 90%+ of fighters out there.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In the context you quoted, it is. Jaugar is also doing those ops, IN doesn't want a jaugar either.

IN wants a fighter that is already operating from a carrier, long legged. JF17 would get rejected no different to Tejas, or 90%+ of fighters out there.

Jaguar is a ground attack aircraft... JF a multirole... and to reject an aircraft... it should be operational... u dont operate "test sqds" with 3 jets.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Jaguar is a ground attack aircraft...

It does naval hunting too.

 

[baajey]

For now, Bangalore.

I hope they are flying regular sorties.....will enhance the pilot's understanding about the planes....in lesser time period.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It does naval hunting too.

So can any a heli.

 

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

JF-17 inducted in haste, coz PAF was crying for jets, and were ready to induct anything offered within the range of $ 25 million, just to show the numbers, the other two jets not in production or proper prototype. So its futile to compare any of them.

But looking on the paper and specification :

Jet >>>Gripen E >> LCA MK1A >> JF Blk 3
Score(/10) >> 7 >> 5 >> 4

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Jaguar is a ground attack aircraft... JF a multirole... and to reject an aircraft... it should be operational... u dont operate "test sqds" with 3 jets.

I don't know wtf you're saying. Look at the Navy's rfi to find out why they would never look at the jf17.

The guy said there are no Tejas being tested, operated by the IAF. This is wrong. Those aren't prototypes either. Also wrong.

 

[ni8mare]

Any one who is thick through out thread is you who cannot even understand what being talked about.......none is talking about land base fight here we talking about naval/ from AC....IN said clearly that in present form that is Tejas with low thrust for carrier is not required

They want a twin like mig29k......that they have

Are all aircrafts supposed too? or are u just too thick.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I don't know wtf you're saying. Look at the Navy's rfi to find out why they would never look at the jf17.

As if JF is on offer? ur navy nor airforce wants it.. convincing others is imposible..

The guy said there are no Tejas being tested, operated by the IAF. This is wrong. Those aren't prototypes either. Also wrong.

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. India's home-made combat planes to undergo test flights to resolve flaws
2. Despite flaws, aircraft inducted to keep the Tejas programme alive
3. It also helps Air Force bolster its flagging squadron numbers

India will get its Tejas fighter squadron -- indigenously built Combat Aircraft -- on July 1, with two planes. The squadron will be based in in Tamil Nadu's Sulur.

Another two fighters are expected in the next financial year, 2016-17, a senior Air Force commander told NDTV. The total strength of the squadron - normally they have 14 to 16 aircraft -- and its name will be decided later.

The first two Tejas fighters, however, won't be used for operations now. They will undergo test flights to resolve certain flaws. The clearance for operations is expected in December.


The Tejas still has 19 unresolved issues - including nose wheel vibrations, high noise level in the cockpit -- which need to be sorted out. "The HAL (the manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) and IAF are working closely to sort out these issues, we expect them to go through it quickly," the commander said.

For now, the Air Force will start the training and induction of pilots. Also, test pilots manning the squadron will work closely with HAL to "deal with the niggling issues," he added.

Despite its flaws, the Air Force had agreed to induct the aircraft to keep the Tejas programme alive and bolster its flagging squadron numbers. The Air Force is down to 33 fighter squadrons against the required 42. Each squadron has 14 to 16 jets. Over the next few years, the IAF will lose another 14 squadrons comprising the aging Russian-made MiG-21 and MiG 27s.

To make up the numbers the Air Force has ordered 80 more Tejas fighters, and their total number will be 120 -- the delivery will depend on HAL's production capacity.

The first batch 20 fighters produced by HAL will not have the capacity to refuel on air - a critical quality during operations.

"That, a better radar , and the ability to fire missiles beyond the visual range will be incorporated in the second batch of 20 fighters," the officer said. India is hoping to use Israeli radars.

The Defence ministry and HAL are in the process of increasing the production capacity of Tejas fighters. The plan is to produce at least 8 aircraft annually and then increase it to 16 fighters, that is one squadron, a year.



The first 20 wont even have BVR.

JF-17 inducted in haste, coz PAF was crying for jets, and were ready to induct anything offered within the range of $ 25 million, just to show the numbers, the other two jets not in production or proper prototype. So its futile to compare any of them.

But looking on the paper and specification :

Jet >>>Gripen E >> LCA MK1A >> JF Blk 3
Score(/10) >> 7 >> 5 >> 4

 

[Water Car Engineer]

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. India's home-made combat planes to undergo test flights to resolve flaws
2. Despite flaws, aircraft inducted to keep the Tejas programme alive
3. It also helps Air Force bolster its flagging squadron numbers

India will get its Tejas fighter squadron -- indigenously built Combat Aircraft -- on July 1, with two planes. The squadron will be based in in Tamil Nadu's Sulur.

Another two fighters are expected in the next financial year, 2016-17, a senior Air Force commander told NDTV. The total strength of the squadron - normally they have 14 to 16 aircraft -- and its name will be decided later.

The first two Tejas fighters, however, won't be used for operations now. They will undergo test flights to resolve certain flaws. The clearance for operations is expected in December.


The Tejas still has 19 unresolved issues - including nose wheel vibrations, high noise level in the cockpit -- which need to be sorted out. "The HAL (the manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) and IAF are working closely to sort out these issues, we expect them to go through it quickly," the commander said.

For now, the Air Force will start the training and induction of pilots. Also, test pilots manning the squadron will work closely with HAL to "deal with the niggling issues," he added.

Despite its flaws, the Air Force had agreed to induct the aircraft to keep the Tejas programme alive and bolster its flagging squadron numbers. The Air Force is down to 33 fighter squadrons against the required 42. Each squadron has 14 to 16 jets. Over the next few years, the IAF will lose another 14 squadrons comprising the aging Russian-made MiG-21 and MiG 27s.

To make up the numbers the Air Force has ordered 80 more Tejas fighters, and their total number will be 120 -- the delivery will depend on HAL's production capacity.

The first batch 20 fighters produced by HAL will not have the capacity to refuel on air - a critical quality during operations.

"That, a better radar , and the ability to fire missiles beyond the visual range will be incorporated in the second batch of 20 fighters," the officer said. India is hoping to use Israeli radars.

The Defence ministry and HAL are in the process of increasing the production capacity of Tejas fighters. The plan is to produce at least 8 aircraft annually and then increase it to 16 fighters, that is one squadron, a year.

As if JF is on offer? ur navy nor airforce wants it.. convincing others is imposible..



NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. India's home-made combat planes to undergo test flights to resolve flaws
2. Despite flaws, aircraft inducted to keep the Tejas programme alive
3. It also helps Air Force bolster its flagging squadron numbers

India will get its Tejas fighter squadron -- indigenously built Combat Aircraft -- on July 1, with two planes. The squadron will be based in in Tamil Nadu's Sulur.

Another two fighters are expected in the next financial year, 2016-17, a senior Air Force commander told NDTV. The total strength of the squadron - normally they have 14 to 16 aircraft -- and its name will be decided later.

The first two Tejas fighters, however, won't be used for operations now. They will undergo test flights to resolve certain flaws. The clearance for operations is expected in December.


The Tejas still has 19 unresolved issues - including nose wheel vibrations, high noise level in the cockpit -- which need to be sorted out. "The HAL (the manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) and IAF are working closely to sort out these issues, we expect them to go through it quickly," the commander said.

For now, the Air Force will start the training and induction of pilots. Also, test pilots manning the squadron will work closely with HAL to "deal with the niggling issues," he added.

Despite its flaws, the Air Force had agreed to induct the aircraft to keep the Tejas programme alive and bolster its flagging squadron numbers. The Air Force is down to 33 fighter squadrons against the required 42. Each squadron has 14 to 16 jets. Over the next few years, the IAF will lose another 14 squadrons comprising the aging Russian-made MiG-21 and MiG 27s.

To make up the numbers the Air Force has ordered 80 more Tejas fighters, and their total number will be 120 -- the delivery will depend on HAL's production capacity.

The first batch 20 fighters produced by HAL will not have the capacity to refuel on air - a critical quality during operations.

"That, a better radar , and the ability to fire missiles beyond the visual range will be incorporated in the second batch of 20 fighters," the officer said. India is hoping to use Israeli radars.

The Defence ministry and HAL are in the process of increasing the production capacity of Tejas fighters. The plan is to produce at least 8 aircraft annually and then increase it to 16 fighters, that is one squadron, a year.

Thanks for proving my point. Those are still IAF operated birds. The ones in production aren't prototypes.