How India’s QR-SAM has poured Cold water on Pakistan’s NASR

[Osiris]

No, what is being discussed is how india keeps cooking up fake fantasies to feed its delusions of nonexistent superiority.

Well if they were fake, then there no need to get your panties in a bunch.

But only one of out country's army has a history of lying to its people.

 

[GumNaam]

Well if they were fake, then there no need to get your panties in a bunch.

But only one of out country's army has a history of lying to its people.

Yeah and that country is india that claims victory in spite of loosing the huge ajk. And we just love rubbing your own lies in your faces, it's very entertaining to see you the likes of you grappling got shreds to hang on to your delusions for your dear life.

 

[Osiris]

Yeah and that country is india that claims victory in spite of loosing the huge ajk. And we just love rubbing your own lies in your faces, it's very entertaining to see you the likes of you grappling got shreds to hang on to your delusions for your dear life.

No, that is Pakistan army, eg Kargil, or the fact that just a day before 93000 of your country men surrendered, your army was telling your nation, that you were actually winning the war.

As far as AJK is concerned, one can not loose something, one never had, however Pakistan was already in Srinagar even before war started, and now can only dream about it. That is a definite defeat.

 

[GumNaam]

No, that is Pakistan army, eg Kargil, or the fact that just a day before 93000 of your country men surrendered, your army was telling your nation, that you were actually winning the war.

As far as AJK is concerned, you can not loose something, you never had, however Pakistan was already in Srinagar even before war started, and now can only dream about it. That is a certain defeat.

As far as kargil is concerned, watch this and weep:

Oh and save the horse manure about you taking bigger and higher make belief peaks that only exist in the indian imagination. As for 93000, it's been discussed to death the crookedness of bhutto and mujib so it's no wonder that they lied. Funny though, all three involved got the humiliation they deserved. And if as ajk was not important then care to explain why after we pulled out of srinagar, why india kept trying to take ajk back throughout 1948 and yet, miserably failed at it to this day? And as far as the dream is concerned, you own government says that Pakistan is infiltrating in srinagar along with the rest of iok.

 

[Osiris]

As far as kargil is concerned, watch this and weep:

Oh and save the horse manure about you taking bigger and higher make belief peaks that only exist in the indian imagination. As for 93000, it's been discussed to death the crookedness of bhutto and mujib so it's no wonder that they lied. Funny though, all three involved got the humiliation they deserved. And if as ajk was not important then care to explain why after we pulled out of srinagar, why india kept trying to take ajk back throughout 1948 and yet, miserably failed at it to this day? And as far as the dream is concerned, you own government says that Pakistan is infiltrating in srinagar along with the rest of iok.

Aren't we discussing lies Pakistani army told you are nation -

1) The Kargil lie is one most famous ones, for ten years, your army kept saying that it was not involved and then finally accepted the truth.

2) In 1971 - Bhutto wan not in-charge of your nation, you army was. So any propaganda, on how Pakistan was winning the war, just days before, the largest surrenders after world war 2, too came from the army and not from Bhutto.

3) You did not pull out of Srinagar, you were driven back, as far as who lost in Kashmir war 1948. You just need to compare, where you were before the war started and where you were after war the war ended.

4) When I said, Pakistan can only dream about capturing Srinagar, If your ability to send terrorist to an area - means that you have captured it, then congratulations, you have successfully captured many countries including America...lol.

 

[GumNaam]

Aren't we discussing lies Pakistani army told you are nation -

1) The Kargil lie is one most famous ones, for ten years, your army kept saying that it was not involved and then finally accepted the truth.

2) In 1971 - Bhutto wan not in-charge of your nation, you army was. So any propaganda, on how Pakistan was winning the war, just days before, the largest surrenders after world war 2, too came from the army and not from Bhutto.

3) You did not pull out of Srinagar, you were driven back, as far as who lost in Kashmir war 1948. You just need to compare, where you were before the war started and where you were after war the war ended.

4) When I said, Pakistan can only dream about capturing Srinagar, If your ability to send terrorist to an area - means that you have captured it, then congratulations, you have successfully captured many countries including America...lol.

You really need to stop living in the 20 years ago, the label "terrorist" has long become irrelevant ever since your sugar daddy uncle sam knelt in front of the Taliban and started begging for mercy and admitted that are somehow no longer terrorists. If sending freedom fighters across the loc virtually unchallenged isn't a problem for us, what makes you think we can't send it the regular army.

And it doesn't matter if bhutto was in charge or not. his popularity in the west basically put him in the position to make all the calls just as much as mujib's popularity in the east have him the same power. Given the fact that treachery led to the 71 debacle pours cold water on your claim that you somehow made bd. no, they made bd through their greedy treachery.

And information is normally kept secret during any given operation and only to be declassified later. All countries do this and it can hardly be considered as lying. Speaking of which, only the crooked indian mind can consider kargil as a victory in spite of loosing the biggest peak there. Care to explain why your government continues to lie to its people and labels anyone who questions why the government is hiding the truth shift point 5353 as unpatriotic and a Pakistani sympathizer?

 

[ziaulislam]

as per the indian media, we still do...

So basically India claims it did a surgical strike and Pakistan says a drone canr fly who come india did...
And than india claims Pakistan did it on india and we say okay if you say so...
Ironic

 

[GumNaam]

So basically India claims it did a surgical strike and Pakistan says a drone canr fly who come india did...
And than india claims Pakistan did it on india and we say okay if you say so...
Ironic

Only rubber slippery indian would play the twist the words game to make their humiliating defeats appear as a glorious victory. Much like how a rape victim convinces themselves that they actually wanted to have their bunghole violated! Pathetic spunk monkeys!

 

[Osiris]

You really need to stop living in the 20 years ago, the label "terrorist" has long become irrelevant ever since your sugar daddy uncle sam knelt in front of the Taliban and started begging for mercy and admitted that are somehow no longer terrorists. If sending freedom fighters across the loc virtually unchallenged isn't a problem for us, what makes you think we can't send it the regular army.

And it doesn't matter if bhutto was in charge or not. his popularity in the west basically put him in the position to make all the calls just as much as mujib's popularity in the east have him the same power. Given the fact that treachery led to the 71 debacle pours cold water on your claim that you somehow made bd. no, they made bd through their greedy treachery.

And information is normally kept secret during any given operation and only to be declassified later. All countries do this and it can hardly be considered as lying. Speaking of which, only the crooked indian mind can consider kargil as a victory in spite of loosing the biggest peak there. Care to explain why your government continues to lie to its people and labels anyone who questions why the government is hiding the truth shift point 5353 as unpatriotic and a Pakistani sympathizer?

1) No the word terrorist has not become irrelevant, Pakistan's kashmir centric armed organisations LeT, JeM etc are still classified terrorist organisations by the entire world.

2) It wasn't Bhutto, who was telling your nation, that it was close to a victory in 1971, when you were actually on the verge of defeat. It was your army's propaganda through it offices.

3) Just like Kargil, where again your army lied again about not being present, despite the fact, no one believed it and it took then 10 long years to accept the truth.

4) No government has lied about point 5353, It lies right on the LOC, they accept that peak was never under Indian control to begin with, but is now under Pakistani control since Kargil, but it was also under Pakistani control previously and was briefly vacated in 90s prior to Kargil.

So basically India claims it did a surgical strike and Pakistan says a drone canr fly who come india did...
And than india claims Pakistan did it on india and we say okay if you say so...
Ironic

Forget about the Indian claims on the extent and magnitude of the strike, it is Pakistani army which claims that no Indian troops crossed the LOC on the night of surgical strikes. Do you concur with that statement of your army's ?

 

[JohnWick]

1) No the word terrorist has not become irrelevant, Pakistan's kashmir centric armed organisations LeT, JeM etc are still classified terrorist organisations by the entire world.

2) It wasn't Bhutto, who was telling your nation, that it was close to a victory in 1971, when you were actually on the verge of defeat. It was your army's propaganda through it offices.

3) Just like Kargil, where again your army lied again about not being present, despite the fact, no one believed it and it took then 10 long years to accept the truth.

4) No government has lied about point 5353, they accept that the peak is now under Pakistani control since Kargil, they also accept that peak was never under Indian control to begin with.



Forget about the Indian claims on the extent and magnitude of the strike, it is Pakistani army which claims that no Indian troops crossed the LOC on the night of surgical strikes. Do you concur with that statement of your army's ?

We are not fully involved
For example we also don’t use our g3 so that there might be a proof of the involvement of Pakistan army and unfortunately don’t use the phenomenon of 7.76*51
One shoot one fkin kill!

 

[GumNaam]

1) No the word terrorist has not become irrelevant, Pakistan's kashmir centric armed organisations LeT, JeM etc are still classified terrorist organisations by the entire world.

Uh huh, and how many countries do you see paying 2 cents worth of attention to your whining about terrorism? Even Russia gave got pm the shut up call on terrorism. As I said, it has become completely irrelevant.

2) It wasn't Bhutto, who was telling your nation, that it was close to a victory in 1971, when you were actually on the verge of defeat. It was your army's propaganda through it offices.

And whose pocket was general yahya in? bhutto's. Who made general yahya go back on his word that mujib would be the pm? bhutto.

3) Just like Kargil, where again your army lied again about not being present, despite the fact, no one believed it and it took then 10 long years to accept the truth.

So? Pakistan did what every country including india does about classified info. Still doesn't change the fact that your government lied to your public about losing in kargil just like it lied to its public on s siachin that your objective to actually get stuck on a frozen barren wasteland instead of admitting to its public that they failed to use it to their advantage to invade ajk and thus wasted billions and hundreds of lives to no avail. Ab akaylay baith kar kulfian hago sa

4) No government has lied about point 5353, they accept it is the peak is now under Pakistani control since Kargil, they also accept that peak was never under Indian control to begin with.

@ it was never under indian control to begin with. Yet another lie fed to you after denying that it was ever under in Pakistan's control. Don't forget, vajpayee wouldn't even address the issue until the congress party propagated it on the indian media and raised hell in holy lok sabha. the indian government was arm twisted into admitting it and then still turned around and fed you yet another lie that india never had this peak in spite of its huge strategic importance...pathetic!

Forget about the Indian claims on the extent and magnitude of the strike, it is Pakistani army which claims that no Indian troops crossed the LOC on the night of surgical strikes. Do you concur with that statement of your army's ?

No it is exactly the indian claim that we are going to discuss here where the indian military narrative is completely different from the indian government's narrative while your own parliament members are demanding proof with your own elected reps saying that they caught the indian army trying to film a fake surgical strike footage with your former government officials calling it furjical strike... baygharti ki bhi hud hoti hay!

 

[JohnWick]

Uh huh, and how many countries do you see paying 2 cents worth of attention to your whining about terrorism? Even Russia gave got pm the shut up call on terrorism. As I said, it has become completely irrelevant.

And whose pocket was general yahya in? bhutto's. Who made general yahya go back on his word that mujib would be the pm? bhutto.

So? Pakistan did what every country including india does about classified info. Still doesn't change the fact that your government lied to your public about losing in kargil just like it lied to its public on s siachin that your objective to actually get stuck on a frozen barren wasteland instead of admitting to its public that they failed to use it to their advantage to invade ajk and thus wasted billions and hundreds of lives to no avail. Ab akaylay baith kar kulfian hago sa

@ it was never under indian control to begin with. Yet another lie fed to you after denying that it was ever under in Pakistan's control. Don't forget, vajpayee wouldn't even address the issue until the congress party propagated it on the indian media and raised hell in holy lok sabha. the indian government was arm twisted into admitting it and then still turned around and fed you yet another lie that india never had this peak in spite of its huge strategic importance...pathetic!


No it is exactly the indian claim that we are going to discuss here where the indian military narrative is completely different from the indian government's narrative while your own parliament members are demanding proof with your own elected reps saying that they caught the indian army trying to film a fake surgical strike footage with your former government officials calling it furjical strike... baygharti ki bhi hud hoti hay!

Han Sir je yh tu hai!

 

[Mav3rick]

So long as Indian Air Defence capabilities cannot guarantee a 100% neutralization rate against incoming TNW's, the NASR will remain effective. Let's say 5 out of 10 NASR's get shot down, that's still a massive blow against an advancing Indian offensive column. Pakistan has been increasing it's plutonium and enriched uranium capacity over the last decade or so, and, subsequently, increasing the number of nuclear warheads.

Pakistan will likely account for the probability of Indian Air Defence systems intercepting some of the NASR's, without even taking into account technological advancements in the missile systems, by saturating targets.

The Indian government and military then return to the same problem - making a decision on whether an advancing Indian military column can sustain the losses inflicted upon them and, if it can sustain those losses, whether those losses are worth the gains.

I find it thoroughly absurd that PakMil, and many of my fellow Pakistanis, actually have plans, and support for plans respectively, to NUKE our own country!

Why don't we make plans to blunt all Indian advances, including any cold start doctrine, with effective defenses at the border and with our own plans to push Indian Military behind her own border instead?

 

[GumNaam]

I find it thoroughly absurd that PakMil, and many of my fellow Pakistanis, actually have plans, and support for plans respectively, to NUKE our own country!

Why don't we make plans to blunt all Indian advances, including any cold start doctrine, with effective defenses at the border and with our own plans to push Indian Military behind her own border instead?

the indian military wouldn't make it across the border. The fact is that the indians know that as soon as their strike corps cross into their side of the dmz, they'll go up in a puff of clouds which will leave india open and naked for us to enter deep inside get whenever we want. MAD is the best that india can hope for. All these little shenanigans about limited strikes or trying to take land is just brain farting on the part of the indians to hide their utter helplessness that their is really nothing they can do to stop us from supporting the Kashmiri people.

 

[Mav3rick]

And this will happen in Pakistan territory. We shall not mind a bit collateral damage. Pakistan can very happily nuke our forces when they are in Lahore.

Basically, your Military plays to her audience and our Military plays to her. But, whenever tested, your Military could not get to Lahore even when the odds were heavily in your favor, at 3:1 and more, in '65 and when most of our forces were concentrated at Jammu Kashmir side. When push comes to shove, your Military is well aware of our resolve! This is why Indian Military did not dare cross a single inch of the Border in 2001/2 despite the entire Indian population itching for war.