How India’s QR-SAM has poured Cold water on Pakistan’s NASR

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The difference was, this was a simultaneous attack on multiple points across the LOC, earlier cross LOC ops were centered around single target or a single post.

There is no tangible evidence of such a 'large scale strike' at multiple targets.

Again, the reason Pakistan was so dismissive of the Indian claims was because these kinds of attacks have been conducted by both sides over the decades. It's usually the Indian side that tends to engage in hysterical 'rhona dhona' over these events by blowing things out of proportion, and of late the rhona dhona and jingoism by the BJP has gotten even worse (ironically) to highlight their '56 inch chest thumping'.

 

[GumNaam]

There is no tangible evidence of such a 'large scale strike' at multiple targets.

Again, the reason Pakistan was so dismissive of the Indian claims was because these kinds of attacks have been conducted by both sides over the decades. It's usually the Indian side that tends to engage in hysterical 'rhona dhona' over these events by blowing things out of proportion, and of late the rhona dhona and jingoism by the BJP has gotten even worse (ironically) to highlight their '56 inch chest thumping'.

more like 56 thun fondling!

 

[Khanate]

Fixed that headline for you.

Pakistan’s NASR giving India sleepless nights

 

[Osiris]

There is no tangible evidence of such a 'large scale strike' at multiple targets.

Again, the reason Pakistan was so dismissive of the Indian claims was because these kinds of attacks have been conducted by both sides over the decades. It's usually the Indian side that tends to engage in hysterical 'rhona dhona' over these events by blowing things out of proportion, and of late the rhona dhona and jingoism by the BJP has gotten even worse (ironically) to highlight their '56 inch chest thumping'.

Where do you expect to get the evidence from?

From your army, which categorically denied any Indian troops crossed the LOC that night, which you, yourself admit is a lie.

And If they are lying about, Indian troops crossing the LOC, what else are they lying about ?

 

[GumNaam]

Where do you expect to get the evidence from?

From your army, which categorically denied any Indian troops crossed the LOC that night, which you, yourself admit is a lie.

And If they are lying about, Indian troops crossing the LOC, what else are they lying about ?

instead of trying to play slippery like a fish out of water struggling for its life, why don't you stick with convincing your own citizens of the truth instead of threatening them at gunpoint to believe or else?

can't handle Pakistan so takin' out the anger and frustration on your own unarmed citizens, aye?

 

[randomradio]

i think you have everything more since the beginning.i think we know that you have more men,more weapons but again defending is always easy as compared to attacking.i still feel that we have counter to this doctrine.may be we hide our own doctrine but god knows better.i hope for truce,not for war but as a country,we love our independence and i know there are lots of people working hard just to make sure that we don't left behind when it comes to weapons.there are ongoing projects.army is in great shape and more troops will come near loc after american withdrawal of afghanistan.i believe that we can repel any attack but economic situation favors india.

For Cold Start, it's our side that's defending once we have taken over our objectives.

'Surgical strikes', in terms of what the Indian's are alleging, can be carried out by both sides.

Who will you attack? In our case we attacked terrorist launch pads. So are you going to attack the Indian Army?

Because what occurred was nothing extraordinary or out of the norm for both sides across the LoC. Some Indian & Pakistani journalists (one Indian gentleman who used to work for the Hindu, can't recall his name right now) have written about these exchanges for decades. The two countries will send small units across the LoC to attack targets. Tit for tat continues, much of it not always reported.

Not at this scale, AFAIK.

 

[GumNaam]

For Cold Start, it's our side that's defending once we have taken over our objectives.

why don't you concentrate on actually becoming capable of taking over your objectives FIRST instead of constantly getting caught in a dead zone like siachin. your "objective" was to go and gain a foothold deep inside GB using siachin as a stepping stone and then take over the rest of AJK while Pakistan was busy on the afghan border due to the soviet invasion. and yet, your ineptitude resulted in your forces getting stuck on a frozen and barren wasteland where you'll get killed if you move an inch forward and humiliated if you move back. ab baith kay kulfiyaan hago!

Who will you attack? In our case we attacked terrorist launch pads. So are you going to attack the Indian Army?

you "attacked"??? still trying to convince us aye?

Not at this scale, AFAIK.

if you want to talk scale, your own government admits that Pakistan sends in BAT teams and fighters across the LOC on a massive scale. and response, you only have the fakery of the bluff sir ji kaal strike to show for? come on boy, show a backbone for a change...

by the way, the qrsam that the indians here are so giggly over has apparently long been abandoned... this discussion is a waste of time.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/02/india-to-scrap-qr-sam-surface-to-air.html

 

[randomradio]

On the same note, perhaps India has the capability to actually implement Cold Start, but whats interesting is that despite the repeated ranting, raving and hysterical outbursts (against Pakistan) of the Indian political and military leadership over insurgent attacks in Kashmir, nothing even close to Cold Start has been put in place to inflict some kind of cost on Pakistan.

Actions speak louder than words - India's impotence in inflicting any kind of serious, tangible cost (lets not even get into the farce called surgical strikes) on Pakistan quite clearly points to an Indian lack of capabilities (or at least a belief) that they can take on Pakistan in a conventional war and win in a manner that makes the Indian losses sustainable.

You are quite mistaken. The new reforms happening now with the formation of 8-10 new IBGs for the Western border is for Cold Start. Before this, we have been working on something the army simply calls proactive strategy, where the Pivot Corps will attack Pakistan. This was set up years ago.

As for surgical strikes, your military knows the real story, so we don't have to worry about anything on that front.

As for your last point about making Indian losses "sustainable". I don't think you understand the gravity of your words because you have entirely discounted our main objective. Our main objective, in case of total war, is to completely and permanently dismember Pakistan into multiple smaller countries. So even if we lose all 3 Strike Corps in the process of achieving our objective, then it's all well worth it, since we won't be planning on rebuilding our Strike Corps again, since there is no longer an enemy. Whatever's remaining will be enough for post-war duties. Call it a Pyrrhic victory if you want to, but consider the cost you are paying for it.

 

[AUz]

Ummm so how does this anti air defence system with fucking 30km range plans to predict and intercept a ballistic rocket with quasi-blastic trajectory??

india is literally the biggest shit hole in the world and their population is SO gullible that it’s not even funny.

 

[GumNaam]

You are quite mistaken. The new reforms happening now with the formation of 8-10 new IBGs for the Western border is for Cold Start. Before this, we have been working on something the army simply calls proactive strategy, where the Pivot Corps will attack Pakistan. This was set up years ago.

As for surgical strikes, your military knows the real story, so we don't have to worry about anything on that front.

As for your last point about making Indian losses "sustainable". I don't think you understand the gravity of your words because you have entirely discounted our main objective. Our main objective, in case of total war, is to completely and permanently dismember Pakistan into multiple smaller countries. So even if we lose all 3 Strike Corps in the process of achieving our objective, then it's all well worth it, since we won't be planning on rebuilding our Strike Corps again, since there is no longer an enemy. Whatever's remaining will be enough for post-war duties. Call it a Pyrrhic victory if you want to, but consider the cost you are paying for it.

in this entire bruhaha of trying to convince Pakistan of india's nonexistent bravado, you have overlooked one simple fact...regardless of how big and how supposedly powerful india's formations and divisions for "striking" on a massive or limited scale are, none of them would survive even a single tactical NW. That is EXACTLY what we acually WANT you to do. for once the bulk of your forces have been decimated even before they make it across the indian side of the dmz, there is basically nothing that would stop Pakistani strike corps and divisions from crossing across and completely and permanently dismembering india into its natural countries like khalistan and other not to mentions simply take over iok. that is the cold, stark reality glaring at india in the face. basically the first offender looses. given that india's less than 200 nukes most of which are still aircraft mounted (not miniaturized enough for missiles) are faced up against the 3rd largest nuclear weapons state in the world that number in the thousands and are fully missile mounted and mobile, india's extinction would become almost imminent merely 10 minutes after it starts to act on its "shock n awe" cold start doctrine.

Listen buddy, you are talking to your former rulers. Won't take us very long to end up ruling you all over again. so don't push your luck...

 

[Surya 1]

Wrong on both accounts, Iron Dome and David's sling can both take sort range missiles and rockets.

Eve

Your post shows you have no clue about what is going on on both side of border and how both may fight a future war.

I think you should be aware of PA's doctrine of countering India's cold start with NASR.

 

[ziaulislam]

Firstly, explain your narrative, in an earlier post, you wrote, surgical strikes across the LOC never happened.



Here you writing, strikes did happen, but are a routine occurrence across the LOC(which btw I agree with, only difference was the scale of these strikes compared to the earlier ones.) and hence Pakistan did not acknowledge it or react to it.

Didnt we cross the boarder multiple times and beheaded indian soldiers per india?

 

[GumNaam]

Didnt we cross the boarder multiple times and beheaded indian soldiers per india?

as per the indian media, we still do...

 

[Osiris]

Didnt we cross the boarder multiple times and beheaded indian soldiers per india?

Ofcourse, that is what is being discussed here.

 

[GumNaam]

Ofcourse, that is what is being discussed here.

No, what is being discussed is how india keeps cooking up fake fantasies to feed its delusions of nonexistent superiority.