How Does this Happen?

[Guynextdoor2]

I should start another 'how does it happen thread'. I start a thread

From our perspective its nothing more than 'knowing the enemy'.

I know, that's why your cinema houses are running blockbuster earnings from our movies-- coz lots of people are going there to 'know the enemy'

 

[SrNair]

* Division itself
* Hyderabad massacre of Muslims in 1948
* Indian occupation of Muslim Kashmir
* 3 wars with Muslim Pakistan
* Babri Mosque
* Gujarat Massacre of Muslims by Modi sarkar
* Modi a Hindutva follower sweeps into power.

Two nation theory has been ratified by Indian democracy. If you want to believe otherwise its your own choice. From our perspective we could never have lived with you people.

But you should know Indian Muslims also elected for Modi govt.A few months ago I read an article of a writer that visited both India and Pakistan.When he was in Pakistan he heard a lot from old gen Pakistanis that partition was a mistake.But like you said new gen are not interested in it
But he didnt heard such a thing from India both from old gen or new gen.
2002 was just one riot .We were suffered with 1984 sikh riots and hundreds hindu riots in different parts of the nation.
We elected our govt for economy and deveolopmwnt and latest statistics again proved our decisison was right .
On topic: Whatever it is .New gen Indians born after 1980s contain majority of 1.2 billion people and we have our first govt with members born after 1947.I think now there is no similarity with our western neighbour.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But you should know Indian Muslims also elected for Modi govt.A few months ago I read an article of a writer that visited both India and Pakistan.When he was in Pakistan he heard a lot from old gen Pakistanis that partition was a mistake.But like you said new gen are not interested in it
But he didnt heard such a thing from India both from old gen or new gen.
2002 was just one riot .We were suffered with 1984 sikh riots and hundreds hindu riots in different parts of the nation.
We elected our govt for economy and deveolopmwnt and latest statistics again proved our decisison was right .
On topic: Whatever it is .New gen Indians born after 1980s contain majority of 1.2 billion people and we have our first govt with members born after 1947.I think now there is no similarity with our western neighbour.

You so totally wasting your time. Read and have fun. @Guynextdoor2 - senti ho gya kya?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

You so totally wasting your time. Read and have fun. @Guynextdoor2 - senti ho gya kya?

Naaa....Knee Jerk reaction would be more like it

 

[Kaniska]

* Division itself
* Hyderabad massacre of Muslims in 1948
* Indian occupation of Muslim Kashmir
* 3 wars with Muslim Pakistan
* Babri Mosque
* Gujarat Massacre of Muslims by Modi sarkar
* Modi a Hindutva follower sweeps into power.

Two nation theory has been ratified by Indian democracy. If you want to believe otherwise its your own choice. From our perspective we could never have lived with you people.

Two Nation theory is a blessing for all of us...It is the power Hungry Neheru and the Gandhi who was trying to create histroy by thinking he is a God and every people will be like him . They were in delusion that partition is not needed...I beleive, It was Jinha who was a leader who can forsee the challenges ahead for a united India and pressed the panic button at the right time..Otherwise, if histroy was written by wishes of Gandhi and Neheru, then god knows, India may have been fighting to itself right now like any other war turn country...But again, partition should have been complete with all Muslims to be sheltered at Pakistan...and if Gandhi has some foresight and he could have avoided all his personal emotions and dramas he created at that time, then the entire episode at the partition can have happened in a amicable manner rather than creating enimity to each other.......

 

[Kaniska]

what proof do you have for that ?
did you know that it was gandhi who compelled govt of india to pay pakistan Rs 55 crore . And if gandhi was pro hindu then he wouldn't have been assassinated by hindu extremists .

Gandhi and Neheru are both pandered and worshipped in our post independence history more than they deserve...Gandhi was thinking like he was a God and every ordinary people will behave like him..which is far from reality...S

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Two Nation theory is a blessing for all of us...It is the power Hungry Neheru and the Gandhi who was trying to create histroy by thinking he is a God and every people will be like him . They were in delusion that partition is not needed...I beleive, It was Jinha who was a leader who can forsee the challenges ahead for a united India and pressed the panic button at the right time..Otherwise, if histroy was written by wishes of Gandhi and Neheru, then god knows, India may have been fighting to itself right now like any other war turn country...But again, partition should have been complete with all Muslims to be sheltered at Pakistan...and if Gandhi has some foresight and he could have avoided all his personal emotions and dramas he created at that time, then the entire episode at the partition can have happened in a amicable manner rather than creating enimity to each other.......

BS logic. If that were true, modern united India would not exist.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Gandhi and Neheru are both pandered and worshipped in our post independence history more than they deserve...Gandhi was thinking like he was a God and every ordinary people will behave like him..which is far from reality...S

Maybe we should worship you then.

 

[narcon]

Oil and water never mix - So sayeth the chemistry.

 

[Kaniska]

BS logic. If that were true, modern united India would not exist.

Modern United India only exists only where Hindus are majority in the respective city and locality where Muslims are minority or does not influence much to the state administration...Just see the state of affairs of all the Indian states where Muslims are majority or influence the public discourse in state Gov, you can find a backward and Bimaru Indian states exists...Example, UP, West Bengal, Bihar , my own state Odisha and of course terrorist prone Kashmir valley are classic example...We the Indian people and the so called secular people always love to stay in denial mode...But unfortunately fact is different...

So i recommend, Indian histroy should be amended and proper respect should be given to people who matters to our life...Apart from overtly hyped Gandhi and Nehru. Jinha and Sardar Patel are two people who have been neglected should find their rightful place in india's modern histroy...Jinha never wanted a Pakistan to fight with India...Rather he wanted a Pakistan to land of Muslims but Pakistan and India should be like US and Canda co exists with each other..In the same way, It was Sardar Patel who united a loose federation of states to modern India, other wise...India will be a federation of states like Mogoul era and fighting with each other..

 

[Kaniska]

Maybe we should worship you then.

Nice try..worship Indian nationhood rather than me or Gandhi or Nehru...

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Now before Indian and Pakistan members go ballistic and declare me an @$$hole for propagating 're-union'- I want to clarify that like @Star Wars and @Bang Galore I agree that partition was for the greater good (I would support any move that would have prevented millions of deaths though).

But still I'm asking- after strong facebook recommendations I recently started watching 'Zindagi Gulzaar Hai' (very short-lived effort coz I'm not an emotional guy), followed by several other Pakistani dramas recommended by Indians. I know Pak members know lots about Indian movies (hell they enjoy Dhoom 3 while I consider it a declaration of war on humanity). I find us so knowledgeable about each others' cultures and states (I know about Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, target deaths in Lahore and Imran Khan, the fact tha NS has a strong base from feudal Punjab, I know about Sheikh Rasheed , Oriya Maqbool Jan and Moeed Pirzada. Most Pakistani members know about our famous personalities like Arnab Goswami and Subramaniya Swami. If there is NOTHING common, then why would we try to know so much about each other? What set me off was this video- Pakistan media covering Haryana elections? WTF man?

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partition.. was long plan..
seeds of same was in 1857 war of independce or muitny
british by desgin made sure they should separate Hndu and muslim two dominaitng group based on relgion
musmlim took imp prt in 1857 so it was personal anger and reveger of british too ...
british gave 1905 bengal partition to separate hindu mulsim unity ..
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british wanted to keep control of india but did not happen even after giving indepdance see how churchil was behaving ..
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Partition was worst disater ...
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Congress -- old INC.. nothing to do with current one
- they could not align themslef with muslim -- either mulsim did not wake up or they could not abel to reach
- INC did not gav share of govt in 1937 elction win .. with all reason.. cant blame them but it was imp step where mulsim leadship got away
- jinnah.. some say he was in favour of secualarism. then why pak.. some say he was islamic.. but its privat life does not show that sign.....he was instrumental to new pak....
he was with INC for long ... but got alinated for .. god know reason...
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Current state of pak..
its it change phase .. either something good wil come or things become worst
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partition
done by ploticoan not by people
so still you se wartn and hate for each other becuase people think from heart most time
as you conected by feeling.. love .. hate... curiosity ... etc

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

I should start another 'how does it happen thread'. I start a thread


I know, that's why your cinema houses are running blockbuster earnings from our movies-- coz lots of people are going there to 'know the enemy'

So what!! We watch movies of different countries in Pakistan. We watch hollywood, turkish, chinese, british, arabic and even Brazilian films and dramas.

 

[Pichkari]

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

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- jinnah.. some say he was in favour of secualarism. then why pak.. some say he was islamic.. but its privat life does not show that sign.....he was instrumental to new pak....
he was with INC for long ... but got alinated for .. god know reason...

I don't know what you guys thinks, but quaid-e-Azam wanted to create an islamic country where muslims could live with their dignity and accord their lives on basis of islamic teaching and fulfill injunctions of Almighty Allah.
Quaid-e-Azam once said that ".......Pakistan not only means freedom and indepandance but the muslim ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure."

Islam and hatred of hindus towards muslims were the driving factors which lead the creation of Pakistan. And you guys think that quaid-e-Azam gave the concept of two nation theory but you guys have no idea about it. The concept of two nation theory arose at the day when Muhammad bin qasim brought islam in South Asia. There were two groups of people, one are those who thinks that Muhammad bin qasim was a hero and other group was composed of those people who thinks that he was murderer and raapist. So by that day the lines between these two nations were carved out. And that was the day when the seed of two nation theory was sowed.

And another personality which you guys are not mentioning was Sir Sayed Ahmad Khan (who was born in 1817), who was the biggest supporter of hindu muslim unity, after struggling so long he then at the end realized that muslims and Hindus are totally different entity and can never be united. Later on Quaid-e-Azam worked with Ghandi for so long and he was also given a title by congress "the ambassador of hindu-muslim unity" after struggling so long he also perceived that muslims and Hindus are like water and fire which can never stay together. And the congress raj of 1937 defined it clearly that two nation theory was a reality.

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done by ploticoan not by people
so still you se wartn and hate for each other becuase people think from heart most time
as you conected by feeling.. love .. hate... curiosity ... etc

The partition wasn't done by politicians it was done merely and solely by people, if it wasn't the contribution of people then do you think that politicians were capable enough to carve out biggest muslim nation of the planet? I don't think so! The Independence was the demand of people for which our ancestors made countless sacrifices. My grand father (late) once told me that when he was going back to home after school, he saw dead bodies of hundreds of Muslims who were killed by hindus, their blood made the nearby pond totally red. Kids lost their fathers, mothers lost their young kids, women's were made widow, muslim women's were rraaped by hindus, people lost their everything in order to get independence, but it's really pity that you guys still thinks that it was yearn of few politicians to do partition. When people were migrating from newly created india to Pakistan, thousands of people were killed by hindus on the way. There was a train which came in Pakistan, and it was filled with dead bodies. No one in that train survived. When we got our independence, we made celebrations in every nook and corner of Pakistan and prayed to Allah for giving us our homeland and prayed for the prosperity of this country. We locals greeted mahajareen who migrated to Pakistan from india. People also use to work for Pakistan without taking any salary. So basically the partition was demand of people.

Our forefathers were oppressed and were not allowed to fulfill religious ceremonies and islamic injunctions. The biggest example was when the slaughtering of cows were banned on those days by Hindus. That is because for hindus its a holy creature. There are countless incidence where hindus oppressed muslims and forced us to go for the option of indepandance.

Our ancestors made this country for us so that we could impose shariat and islamic law in here. Just look what's happening to muslims in India, what your army doing to kashmiris and how did you guys invaded hyderabad, and how did you guys treated muslims in gujarat and how did you guys demolished babri mosque and how you guys disrespect our religion and calls islam as an extremist religion. Thank God! We have got our Pakistan other wise we would have been living like of animals.