How does Israel justify Aliyah to the rest of the world?

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a. Read some more. The quote is from Animal Farm - the context would have been understood better , if you had read one of the world's most popular novels.

b. Read some more. This is from the same site.



c. Don't read selectively - read fully and with an open mind. The Torah is filled with historical errors - most of it is disputable.


PS: Hebrew is not from the Genesis.
Hebrew - Ebreu, from L. Hebraeus, from Gk. Hebraios, from Aramaic 'ebhrai, corresponding to Heb. 'ibhri "an Israelite," lit. "one from the other side," in reference to the River Euphrates, or perhaps simply signifying "immigrant;" from 'ebher "region on the other or opposite side
ref: Online Etymology Dictionary

Genesis 14:13
Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, who was living by the oaks of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and of Aner. These were allies of Abram.
I always said that people can convert to Judaism and be considered a Jew but descendents of the Hebrew race outnumber the ones that converted by far.

 

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You say that jews are one race....
How come I see white, black, brown, asian looking jews ?

 

[PteX]

lol, does a country need to have jews to be succesfull?

Israel 5.5 Million Jews - Dominant power of the Middle East
America 6 Million Jews - Dominant power of the world.
Einstein, Cohen, Oppenheimer... If you believe in Abrahamic religions then it is said that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed.
What happened to the Roman empire? Soviet Union? Germany? The so called Arab Ummah?

 

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You say that jews are one race....
How come I see white, black, brown, asian looking jews ?

Some convert, some marry into different races but the spouse converts.

 

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Israel 5.5 Million Jews - Dominant power of the Middle East
America 6 Million Jews - Dominant power of the world.
Einstein, Cohen, Oppenheimer... If you believe in Abrahamic religions then it is said that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed.
What happened to the Roman empire? Soviet Union? Germany? The so called Arab Ummah?

Your quoting figures from the last 60 years of Jewish history.
Where were they before that in ghettos... facing pogroms.... facing discrimination.... being ruthlessly killed
You can say that they had a brief respite in Moorish Spain but that too ended when the Inquisition began
The roman empire was brought down by the Goths not the Jewish people
Even if you glorify the current success... but how long did the Maccabees last before their rule ended ?

 

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Your quoting figures from the last 60 years of Jewish history.
Where were they before that in ghettos... facing pogroms.... facing discrimination.... being ruthlessly killed
You can say that they had a brief respite in Moorish Spain but that too ended when the Inquisition began
The roman empire was brought down by the Goths not the Jewish people
Even if you glorify the current success... but how long did the Maccabees last before their rule ended ?

It`s not about successes and if the Jews brought down the Germans or Romans or the USSR. It`s the bitter end that happened to all those that abused and killed the Jews. It`s the fact that the more the Jews were abused and trampled on the stronger they became.

 

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If you believe in Abrahamic religions then it is said that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed.

I believe in a Abrahamic faith... but that is not what I my scriptures say .... Anyway that is a different discussion altogether

What are your views on the following quote by a well known Jewish Statesman

"...... any people that has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"
Henry Kissinger

 

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Note points a and b earlier.

Einstein's religious views : Albert Einstein's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He believed God to more like Spinoza's God - read up more about what Spinoza's god is. (I doubt you would do this - you only read what you want to believe).

Oppenheimer's tendencies and extraordinary interests towards Eastern philosophy (He loved the Bhagvad Gita) is not a myth.

Don't give me BS about the greatness of the Torah and stuff about how awesome Jews are, every religion touts to be the best. This had no connection to the topic or to the random stuff you are spewing.

I have given you enough references, enough non biased proofs. You invoke religious sentiments to debate when I use clear rationality.

 

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Some convert, some marry into different races but the spouse converts.

Yes, conversion and intermarriage even amongst Jews has been going for years my friend. Which is why you cannot use the "race" concept here.

 

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If you believe in Abrahamic religions then it is said that those that bless Israel will be blessed

So if you the say land of Israel is blessed by God.... but then why deprive others of this blessing who too like to share this blessing. As Anarchy pointed out allow Muslims and Christians to settle there. You may set the condition that that they must be patriotic to the state of Israel.

 

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So if you the say land of Israel is blessed by God.... but then why deprive others of this blessing who too like to share this blessing. As Anarchy pointed out allow Muslims and Christians to settle there. You may set the condition that that they must be patriotic to the state of Israel.

Why don't you ask Saudi, Iran, Kuwait and other Islamic countries to accept other religions (organized or not) on an equal level. Then your present demand is justified.

 

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Why don't you ask Saudi, Iran, Kuwait and other Islamic countries to accept other religions (organized or not) on an equal level. Then your present demand is justified.

I am not comparing Israel with other nations . I am questioning their policy of Aliyah. (Please go through thread)

 

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Why don't you ask Saudi, Iran, Kuwait and other Islamic countries to accept other religions (organized or not) on an equal level. Then your present demand is justified.

What other people other than Muslims want to settle in those countries or even consider them Holy. As for Iran the worst of the lot... the one that wants to wipe out Israel.... there are still Jewish people living there who don't want to leave for Israel.

The only thing considered sacred by the modern world that these Arab countries have is oil.... Their oil production is in the hands of everyone but them.

Why are you comparing Israel a democracy to these Sheikdoms, Kingdoms and Authoritarian states.

 

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I believe in a Abrahamic faith... but that is not what I my scriptures say .... Anyway that is a different discussion altogether

What are your views on the following quote by a well known Jewish Statesman

"...... any people that has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"
Henry Kissinger

Henry Kissinger is the famous Jew that didn`t want to resupply Israel with ammo during the Yom Kippur war.
And said that if Jews were to be gassed in the Soviet Union it wouldn`t be America`s problem.
Einstein nor Oppenheimer were very religions Jews but they had Jewish intelligence that is why i`ve mentioned these great minds.

What benefit would we get from allowing millions of immigrants to come to Israel? Poverty, crime, prostituion, murder, stealing and so on.
Christians and Muslims already live here and enjoy the holy land and more still do come as part of intermarriages of Jews and Christians.

The Muslims that already live in Israel are against Zionism which is the very definition of Patriotism in Israel and refuse to serve the IDF. Their families shun the select few that do serve the IDF and they side with our enemies more than not with Israel.

And correction varigeo, the Jews from Iran cannot leave for Israel because the country does not allow it.
They fear that they will start spying on Iran for Israel if they do get citizenship and thus threaten any and every against coming to Israel.

Thirteen Jews have been executed in Iran since the Islamic revolution, most of them for alleged connections to Israel. Among them, one of the most prominent Jews of Iran in the 1970s, Habib Elghanian who was the head of the Iranian Jewish community was executed by a firing squad by the Islamic government shortly after the Islamic Revolution of 1979 on the charge having had contact with Israel, among others. In May 1998, Jewish businessman Ruhollah Kadkhodah-Zadeh was hanged in prison without a public charge or legal proceeding, apparently for assisting Jews to emigrate.[75]

 

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Einstein, Cohen, Oppenheimer... If you believe in Abrahamic religions then it is said that those that bless

Einstein nor Oppenheimer weren`t very religions Jews but they had Jewish intelligence that is why i`ve mentioned these great minds.

Clearly, you do not seemed to blessed with this Jewish intelligence as you fail to see your own logic fall apart.

Oh well.

Most Jews from Iran have undergone Aliyah. However, you would note that around 10,000 stayed back - these people are bad Jews - they have equal rights in Iran too.

On the other hand killing people for helping them immigrate is wrong - I totally am against that.

What benefit would we get from allowing millions of immigrants to come to Israel? Poverty, crime, prostituion, murder, stealing and so on.

You found your logic opposing Aliyah. Hallelujah!