How could India / Pak / B'Desh manufacturing labour compete with China's?

[ashokdeiva]

LOL........ you can pay indian labourers just 3000 to 4000 rupees a month = ~$60 US. Even in China, you need to pay RMB 3000 a month for an unskilled factory laborer = ~$500 US. And you have to pay for dormitory and canteen for employees.

No wonder the Arabs can find people in india willing to do slave labor in UAE.

Thanks for calling us Slaves. Our work in a forign soil might be used to call us slaves, but we do it to bring the forign wealth to our shores.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Thanks for calling us Slaves. Our work in a forign soil might be used to call us slaves, but we do it to bring the forign wealth to our shores.

Tell that to your fellow indians, who think the China model is unfit for a country as wealthy as sophisticated as india.

 

[Manticore]

ENOUGH WITH THIS INSULTING!

 

[Hello_10]

now we know India can never catch up with China,they never try to find their own problems when falling behind others,they spent all their time finding excuses and others faults to try to cover their failure.that's good,keep it up.ha

We need to grow up and look around to accept truth. Yes China has taken a lead but there it isn’t something that India can’t catch up with China. I would like to make comparison in few key industries between India and China to measure how far exactly India is than China in field of new technologies?

1. The most valuable technology of the world is space research and we find China has done its manned mission by 2006 then India has also planned it by 2015. And till now, India is among those few nations who may launch even a group of satellites at one time and it has done it’s unmanned moon mission, Chandrayaan-1, also by 2009 which made it among the 5 nations who have done so. (US, EU, China, Russia and 5th its India now.)

Although the mission was less than 10 months in duration, and less than half the intended 2 years in length,[82][84][7] a review by scientists termed the mission successful, as it had completed 95% of its primary objectives, consisting of:
To construct the complex spacecraft with 11 scientific instruments.
To place the spacecraft in a circular orbit around the Moon by orbit raising manoeuvres from a near Earth orbit.
To place the Flag of India on the Moon.
To carry out imaging operations and to collect data on the mineral content of the lunar soil.
To set up a deep space tracking network and implement the operational procedures for travel into deep space. [86][87]

The data collected from the mission have been disseminated to Indian scientists and also the partners from Europe and U.S.A. for analysis.[63][64][65][7]
Chandrayaan-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Second, if we go to the street then we find the most important manufactured product in the market is Cars. And here, we know that Chinese car companies are now doing pretty good in world but where India stand? have a look on the website of Tata Motors as below and see what type of cars they make in India. Second is Mahindra in India and you would check their models also.

Tata Motors : Home

New Mahindra Scorpio Pictures . See Interior & Exterior Mahindra Scorpio Photos | CarDekho.com

3. Lets see the nuclear power areas, (the so called main strength of any country and Iran still couldn’t get any nuclear reactor from any super power), then here, will luck help India with Kazakhstan to sell their first ever nuclear reactor which is in competition with Russia?

If India manages to convince Kazakhstan about the efficacy of its reactors over Russian ones, this would be the first-ever export of indigenously designed and manufactured reactors, official sources said.
The Hindu : News / National : Renewed efforts to sell nuclear reactors to Kazakhstan

4. And as its defence forum, India has now made its first nuclear submarine by itself, Arihant, and is among the 6 nation in world. India is involved for 5th gen aircraft project PAK FA with Russia from design, production to operation with having LCA program. India is making its own tanks, missiles, making first indigenous aircraft career IOC-1 etc with many other defence projects.

5. Now what, yes in software then we know that Indian companies like TCS, Infosys, etc have performed excellent in world. We hope China would do little better in this field.

What else? India is also making big buildings, express way roads, top class shopping complexes?

(I repeat, I accept that China is doing very good but we are mainly discussing whether India and other NIC’s can catch up with China in the field of different technologies or not?)

 

[ashokdeiva]

Tell that to your fellow indians, who think the China model is unfit for a country as wealthy as sophisticated as india.

i don't have the right to tell what my fellow country men do here at PDF. all i can do is represent myself and if a insult to my country is brought in, try to defend if its not true or if its ture accept it and think of a positive that happens out of the insult.

 

[ChinaToday]

Here's a heart rending story from China's Manufacturing Heartland:

1. Do we want this style of manufacturing come to the subcontinent?

2. If not, how to compete with China's manufacturing labour?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/b...s-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=6&_r=1

(excerpts are given below; full article is available at the link above):

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Shifts ran 24 hours a day, and the factory was always bright. At any moment, there were thousands of workers standing on assembly lines or sitting in backless chairs, crouching next to large machinery, or jogging between loading bays. Some workers’ legs swelled so much they waddled. “It’s hard to stand all day,” said Zhao Sheng, a plant worker.

Banners on the walls warned the 120,000 employees: “Work hard on the job today or work hard to find a job tomorrow.” Apple’s supplier code of conduct dictates that, except in unusual circumstances, employees are not supposed to work more than 60 hours a week. But at Foxconn, some worked more, according to interviews, workers’ pay stubs and surveys by outside groups. Mr. Lai was soon spending 12 hours a day, six days a week inside the factory, according to his paychecks. Employees who arrived late were sometimes required to write confession letters and copy quotations. There were “continuous shifts,” when workers were told to work two stretches in a row, according to interviews.

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Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.

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Two hours into Mr. Lai’s second shift, the building started to shake, as if an earthquake was under way. There was a series of blasts, plant workers said.

Then the screams began.

When Mr. Lai’s colleagues ran outside, dark smoke was mixing with a light rain, according to cellphone videos. The toll would eventually count four dead, 18 injured.

At the hospital, Mr. Lai’s girlfriend saw that his skin was almost completely burned away. “I recognized him from his legs, otherwise I wouldn’t know who that person was,” she said.

Eventually, his family arrived. Over 90 percent of his body had been seared. “My mom ran away from the room at the first sight of him. I cried. Nobody could stand it,” his brother said. When his mother eventually returned, she tried to avoid touching her son, for fear that it would cause pain. “If I had known,” she said, “I would have grabbed his arm, I would have touched him.”

“He was very tough,” she said. “He held on for two days.”

After Mr. Lai died, Foxconn workers drove to Mr. Lai’s hometown and delivered a box of ashes. The company later wired a check for about $150,000.

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Actually this is very good news , for a country to succeeed you need workers that sleep eat dream of their company , a good example is Japan, for japanese workers their companies come first everything else come second.

 

[ChinaToday]

Foxcom run his companies like a millitary operation exactly the same style as japanese companies and the results foxcom is the most successful company for getting contracts from major brands

 

[Hello_10]

Thanks for calling us Slaves. Our work in a forign soil might be used to call us slaves, but we do it to bring the forign wealth to our shores.

There is a difference of the remittances, which people earn from gulf countries than what Indian professionals earn from Western countries. I can tell you how I could start earning in Australia. First I had to spend over $60,000 for my 2 year masters from a high ranked university of Sydney. Few of my friends failed also as it was hard to study and work part time also at the same time. and among those who passed, I was lucky as my major of master, mechanical engineering, was still in demand list otherwise Australian government keep changing it’s demand list for migration after every 6 months as per their demand.

And then, I had to wait for around 6 months to get a job in my field and I first time joined PDF in mid 2006 during those free time and I made few good friends like Neo, Jana madam, Asim etc. but I got job in my field by October 2006 and I couldn’t back to PDF till mid 2008. And when I was working with MTP, Malcolm Thompson Pumps in Perth in 2007, our boss always used to talk with others that “there are just 5 engineers in our Perth branch and everyone is getting salary, which include over 50 labours, 5 lower to upper management, around 30 office staff, over 30 technicians with 5-6 operators etc.” (it is a medium size company in Australia with branches in every state. later I got job with an American company in early 2008 and again got free time since mid 2008 while working with that company but I got banned during 26/11 2008 and now I backed to PDF a month before as I now have to do some work here…………..)

I mean, just 5 engineers including my boss were feeding over 200 locals in MTP who were working from labours to management level. (the main reason behind ‘Skill Migration’ to Australia.) as, If you want to run industries then you need professionals and education in Australia is generally defined by hardly Trade level studies only, as majority of population of Australia is under high school pass only. Like in hospitals, you may find local nurses but over 95% doctors of Australia are of foreign origin. And no country can stand without engineers, doctors/ professionals. If country like Australia stop skill migration, their half of the population will come to street within just 2-3 years as it will then be hard to run industries to keep feeding under high school pass Australian civilians whose share in Australian population is over 95% if we exclude skill migrants

While story of US is quite different. Whatever technologies US’s companies develop, they do that through high skilled immigrants only and Indian migrants are in highest number in them. It is a shame for Mr Bill Gates that even the developer/founder of 'Hotmail' was Sabeer Bhatia, an Indian professional, but Mr Gates is categorized as a billionaire of US not India. Indian origin engineers/ professional experts dominate even US's NASA, the organisation who has given so much pride to US. Over 95% professionals/ engineering experts of top US’s companies are immigrants and Indians are in highest number among them. People of US has been fed for last over 30 years due to those high skilled migrants who developed new techs, making American companies earn foreign money through the export of those high tech products, and these US's companies who then pay taxes to US’s government to feed their civilians. And the way Indian professionals are now moving back to India, …………. Its obvious why US’s economy is going down now. as, those who have been feeding US’s nationals till now are now going back their home

 

[JohnyD]

LOL........ you can pay indian labourers just 3000 to 4000 rupees a month = ~$60 US. Even in China, you need to pay RMB 3000 a month for an unskilled factory laborer = ~$500 US. And you have to pay for dormitory and canteen for employees.

No wonder the Arabs can find people in india willing to do slave labor in UAE.

and your Per Capital is just $5K...so does that mean in your country all are unskilled factory slaves..or u r just trying to be an A$$ smart?

 

[Korean]

Even in China, you need to pay RMB 3000 a month for an unskilled factory laborer = ~$500 US.

Honda plant raises wages by one-third_MNCs--China Economic Net

Honda plant raises wages by one-third
Last Updated(Beijing Time):2011-03-14 10:25

Monthly wages for all workers have now been raised by at least one-third. The company's minimum monthly wage was raised from 1,029 yuan (155 U.S. dollars) to 1,530 yuan (230 U.S. dollars), according to the agreement between the company and worker representatives.

Even at Honda, the base salary is only 1,530 yuan.

Foxconn 'suicide factory' raises pay 70pc - Telegraph

Following the latest rise, which will take full effect from October 1, the basic salary for production-line workers at Foxconn’s will have risen from 900 renminbi (£91.30) per month two weeks ago to 2,000 renminbi (£203).

Foxconn's base salary is 2,000 yuan, one of the highest in China and higher than even the likes of Honda. As hard as it may be to believe, Foxconn is one of the highest paying private mass employer in China, and this is why there are thousands of job applicants at Foxconn's door every single day.

Everybody else's working condition is much worse than Foxconn. As inhumane as Foxconn may appear from the West, a job at Foxconn represents the fastest and the best way out of poverty for 90% of Chinese people.

 

[SinoChallenger]

and your Per Capital is just $5K...so does that mean in your country all are unskilled factory slaves..or u r just trying to be an A$$ smart?

Let's see who is truly a$$ smart -- indians or Chinese

China's 2011 GDP figures are out! Our 2011 GDP is $7.47 trillion, and our GDP / capita is $5,587 US.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/90375-chinese-economy-news-updates-52.html#post2500898

An unskilled factory laborer making $500 US a month makes $6000 US a year.

Now you ask, how could it be that an unskilled factory worker makes more than the GDP per capita -- after all, aren't there richer people too? The answer is the everybody in the population counts in the per capita GDP calculation, but not all of them work because many are dependents -- children, students, pregnant woman, mothers, elderly -- as well as farmers who grow their own food crop instead of working. So the average salary would be much higher than GDP / capita and much higher than the wages of an unskilled factory laborer.

 

[Korean]

An unskilled factory laborer making $500 US a month makes $6000 US a year.

No, China has the world's greatest income inequality, with the most of country's wealth concentrated at top 1%, with 90% of population living in poverty.

2,000 yuan a month is considered a good manufacturing wage in China, overtime inclusive.

Now you ask, how could it be that an unskilled factory worker makes more than the GDP per capita

They aren't.

 

[Korean]

teach english in china : University of Southern California

Salary:
4,000-8,000 RMB Yuan per month (the same buying power in China as that of $4,000 - $8,000 in the US). The salary will be commensurate with your teaching experience and college degree. Even the lowest salary is more than enough for your living in China. Compared with our local Chinese teachers’ average salary of 1,000 RMB Yuan per month, you will be able to live a very comfortable life in China with free housing, and free international round-trip airfare once a year. We don't deduct any of your salaries through your host school.

Chinese employers pay only 4,000 Yuan to American English teachers, 4 times the pay of Chinese teachers.

 

[SinoChallenger]

2,000 yuan a month is considered a good manufacturing wage in China, overtime inclusive.

RMB 2000 is sooooooo 2008. Today, figuring in annual bonuses, which are about 2 - 3 months wages, it comes out to RMB 3000 / month now -- plus dormitory and canteen for employees.

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teach english in china : University of Southern California



Chinese employers pay only 4,000 Yuan to American English teachers, 4 times the pay of Chinese teachers.

LOL....... ask any of the other Chinese members here whether any teachers really make only RMB 1000 They'll laugh you right out the building.

 

[Korean]

RMB 2000 is sooooooo 2008.

Actually 2011.

Today, figuring in annual bonuses, which are about 2 - 3 months wages

2,000 yuan * 15 months(bonus included) = 30,000 Yuan, or 2500 Yuan a month. This is a very good wage in China.