How could India / Pak / B'Desh manufacturing labour compete with China's?

[Shinigami]

that's a whole bunch of Indian shame which i can post here,you choose some.


Indian child labor

india child labor - Google Search

google goes both ways

chinese child labor - Google Search

china had a 15 year headstart to india tsk tsk...

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Let us not feel good at other people's misery.

In all developing countries there are problems of poverty, exploitation of workers, crony-capitalism etc.

although this thread was started by an indian with an intent to troll. this is basically a retaliation to a chinese guy called davidson, who is on fire nowadays

 

[skyknight]

WOW! Ok get ready for this one

Slave labour in China

They are poor mentally disabled people abducted by some bastards in 2007，and the criminals are now in prison！
There are still some similar thing occurred in China and we never deny that. You know what is capitalism！
Children labor and slave labor are illegal and these incidents are very few in China，
once the incident is exposed，the owner will be sent to jail or even get death penalty.

 

[kewell333]

If you do not want to work overtime in China, no one can force you.

But Chinese are always work hard to earn more money. And work overtime in China usually means more than three times salary. So these so called "sweatshops" usually have a very attractive income.


For example, worker from the FAW Group (which has 22000 employees)all have a salary more than 9000yuan/month , and with the year award for at least 84000 yuan. It means annual income of the workers will be nearly 30000 USD one year. But they often have to work on public holidays, because production can't meet the market demand.

 

[xizhimen]

this bastard should be executed on the spot.

 

[fly2012]

If you do not want to work overtime in China, no one can force you.

But Chinese are always work hard to earn more money. And work overtime in China usually means more than three times salary. So these so called "sweatshops" usually have a very attractive income.


For example, worker from the FAW Group (which has 22000 employees)all have a salary more than 9000yuan/month , and with the year award for at least 84000 yuan. It means annual income of the workers will be nearly 30000 USD one year. But they often need to work on public holidays, because production is far behind the market demand.

When Foxconn scandal came out in early 2010, in the Shenzhen factory initially they had to enforce the rule that one cannot work over 8 hours a day. And the workers protested saying they had right to make more money as well. And they had to revert the rule.

Amid the crisis, officials from Henan provice rushed to Shenzhen to talk to Guo Taiming. Two months later, the construction of a new Foxconn factory started in Henan, aiming to hire 300,000 employees. Local young people stood in a long queue to send applications. I remember 20 some years ago, Hongkong also had a lot of labor intensive factories making Apple jeans, etc. And now these jobs moved to Shenzhen, then are moving to central China. With this trend, it will move to western poor regions and eventually move out of China. Hopefully during the process average Chinese workers's life get better and better, and ultimately, China is fully developed.

 

[asad71]

1.A culture of discipline and obedience to legitimate authority is a pronounced factor existing in China but absent in SA. The Cinese system, which btw is not a fascist system at all, has ensured pushing up a patriotic, popular, hard working and wise leadership. In SA we have "chamchas"/ stooges of this bloc or that. Our leaders en-bloc have been interested in graft, more graft and establishing own family line in this beautiful system of profiteering. To hell with patriotism. They need to be popular with the old colonial masters/WCC. Hard work is only directed at fattening Swiss accounts. Wisdom is unknown in their dictionary.

2. We therefore experience currencies gradually sliding down the drain causing more and more poverty. Infrastructures, uninterrupted power and fuel and smooth access to raw material are unknown to us. Chinese try and do everything themselves, but we love foreign consultants and contractors. The only benefit in this is that our political/bureaucrats bosses get bribes paid in forex.

3. No, it's pointless to compare China with SA.

 

[Fasih Khan]

Here's a heart rending story from China's Manufacturing Heartland:

1. Do we want this style of manufacturing come to the subcontinent?

2. If not, how to compete with China's manufacturing labour?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/b...s-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=6&_r=1

(excerpts are given below; full article is available at the link above):

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Shifts ran 24 hours a day, and the factory was always bright. At any moment, there were thousands of workers standing on assembly lines or sitting in backless chairs, crouching next to large machinery, or jogging between loading bays. Some workers’ legs swelled so much they waddled. “It’s hard to stand all day,” said Zhao Sheng, a plant worker.

Banners on the walls warned the 120,000 employees: “Work hard on the job today or work hard to find a job tomorrow.” Apple’s supplier code of conduct dictates that, except in unusual circumstances, employees are not supposed to work more than 60 hours a week. But at Foxconn, some worked more, according to interviews, workers’ pay stubs and surveys by outside groups. Mr. Lai was soon spending 12 hours a day, six days a week inside the factory, according to his paychecks. Employees who arrived late were sometimes required to write confession letters and copy quotations. There were “continuous shifts,” when workers were told to work two stretches in a row, according to interviews.

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Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.

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Two hours into Mr. Lai’s second shift, the building started to shake, as if an earthquake was under way. There was a series of blasts, plant workers said.

Then the screams began.

When Mr. Lai’s colleagues ran outside, dark smoke was mixing with a light rain, according to cellphone videos. The toll would eventually count four dead, 18 injured.

At the hospital, Mr. Lai’s girlfriend saw that his skin was almost completely burned away. “I recognized him from his legs, otherwise I wouldn’t know who that person was,” she said.

Eventually, his family arrived. Over 90 percent of his body had been seared. “My mom ran away from the room at the first sight of him. I cried. Nobody could stand it,” his brother said. When his mother eventually returned, she tried to avoid touching her son, for fear that it would cause pain. “If I had known,” she said, “I would have grabbed his arm, I would have touched him.”

“He was very tough,” she said. “He held on for two days.”

After Mr. Lai died, Foxconn workers drove to Mr. Lai’s hometown and delivered a box of ashes. The company later wired a check for about $150,000.

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Pakistan and Bangladesh are Allies with China and clearly Foes of India. What a useless thread It Is ?

We have absolutely no connection & union with India and competition with China. Indians, Just talk about India.

 

[xataxsata]

Pakistan and Bangladesh are Allies with China and clearly Foes of India. What a useless thread It Is ?

We have absolutely no connection & union with India and competition with China. Indians, Just talk about India.

You are talking on behalf of our brother Bangladesh .

Last time i checked they have liberated from you through a fight because you have killed millions of them.

 

[Fasih Khan]

You are talking on behalf of our brother Bangladesh .

Last time i checked they have liberated from you through a fight because you have killed millions of them.

Worthless Liars with absolutely no integrity can say all they want. Go watch any BD Forum Including one in PDF and ask them who they consider as an enemy, Pak or India. They'd set you well.

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Worthless Liars with absolutely no integrity can say all they want. Go watch any BD Forum Including one in PDF and ask them who they consider as an enemy, Pak or India. They'd set you well.

Clearly Pakistan, you killed Bangladeshi people and mass raped they womens, until India came and helped them to seperate from Pakistan.

You need to face the reality more kid.

 

[Fasih Khan]

Clearly Pakistan, you killed Bangladeshi people and mass raped they womens, until India came and helped them to seperate from Pakistan.

You need to face the reality more kid.

I have already answered (upper) to your potential BS.

 

[xataxsata]

Worthless Liars with absolutely no integrity can say all they want. Go watch any BD Forum Including one in PDF and ask them who they consider as an enemy, Pak or India. They'd set you well.

Really?? we are not talking about less then 10% minority jamaati-razokar-BNP

 

[AADHAAR]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

The Hindu - Trade deficit with China widens

Well, we are more than happy to help you with that .... by applying export duties on iron-ore (which is going to decline massively, this year ... and help your trade surplus).

Anyway, chinese trolls have unnecessarily spoilt this thread.

Back to the topic ... imagine Indian workers had been asked to use n-hexane to clean iPhone screens..... most likely Foxconn factory would have been shut .... and if it were in west bengal, Mamta Banerjee would have put the CEO is jail. Well, not just her, even Narendra Modi would have had to put the Foxconn CEO in jail !!!

In fact, it wouldn't have stopped at just Foxconn.... there would be "Boycott Apple" rallies ..... "Apple .. Quit India" campaigns.

(And this compares, to Chinese forummers except below_freezing , who actually support Foxconn and Apple, not their own workers. People like below_freezing are in a minority .... even the chinese govt looks the other way, while Foxconn keeps doing business).

Hence, Foxconn would never really want to assemble .... all Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese (and even US / European) components ... in India. China is the natural place to outsource this type of jobs.

So, if we want to buy and iPhone in India, it is naturally going to come with a "made-in-china" tag.. or at best "designed-in-usa and assembled-in-china" tag.

Similar things .... go for Philips electric irons, Dell computers, ...... and you can imagine practices similar to Foxconn factories, or actually worse (especially, for lower value goods like Diwali lights or cheap table fans). Most components actually come from Korea, Taiwan and Japan... but the sweat shops are needed to assemble them. Plus china gets to wrap up and sell the packaging materials. (It won't make sense to import packaging material from Korea or Japan).

The world is happy to buy chinese slave labour .... all that they can. It will be stupid of us not to buy as much as we can. We all know that a free market always ensure optimal solutions. If china is selling steel below the cost of iron-ore .... obviously it's stupid not to buy. (On the other hand, if they want to buy our iron-ore more than the price of steel.... well that should also be game).

Where-ever CPC "twists" the market ... it will eventually come back to haunt China itself e.g. "twisted" incentives to build ghost cities .. which no one wants.

If china "pollutes" itself away ... burns all it's coal .... sacrifices miners lives in it's coal mines ... uses up it's water resources .... uses up it's capital ..... all for our sake .. well, we shouldn't be stupid not to use China. We save our country from pollution, forced evictions, dispacement of arable land ... saving us water etc. .. well, why not.


The only only reason why china "sells" is under pricing. The moment they try to increase the price... there are no customers. Factory produce will start piling up .... and if still not sold, factories will have to shut.


I think that the only thing India or Pak or BD ... will find China is useful .... is what all we should NOT do.
In any case, we are too different from them ... in terms of govt structure (democracy), society etc.

What probably we need is .. new paradigms ... and keep introducing them, continuously:
1. Like exports of software services, created a lot of value.
2. Like the Reliance refinery ... (yes, it's manufacturing) .. but not China style.
3. Like leapfrogging technologies .... most Indians made their first telephone call on a (digital) mobile phone (.. not landline phones or "analytical" mobile of 1980). Perhaps, we'll never see a PC revolution, but straight away a tablet revolution.

4. WHAT'S THE NEXT PARADIGM ??? -- and the NEXT AFTER THAT.

These are probably going to change India.

And then, what happens to Pak & BD .... their mobile experience is close to India's, but otherwise they haven't seen as dramatic paradigm changes as India's.

What are they going to do? ..... that is also which would be very interesting to find.

 

[Korean]

Pakistan and Bangladesh are Allies with China and clearly Foes of India. What a useless thread It Is ?

This becomes Pakistan's problem when Chinese factories flee China due to rising wages and move to Pakistan. Replace Chinese workers in the story with Pakistani workers and you will get the picture.

 

[AADHAAR]

This becomes Pakistan's problem when Chinese factories flee China due to rising wages and move to Pakistan. Replace Chinese workers in the story with Pakistani workers and you will get the picture.

Pakistani society is quite like India's (except a larger than normal role for their army, in government matters).

Freedom of press in Pakistan will ensure that Pakistani labour will not accept Chinese labour practices.

The solutions Pakistan will need to look for, will be similar to India's (ditto for Bangladesh). China is different.