How can Pakistan Navy defend itself from Brahmos cruse missile ?

[Basel]

you call F-22p a good Frigate
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Yes because its main purpose is defensive patrol where PAF can provide air cover, if OHPs had been released to PN then they would have been main attack fleet of PN but now PN have considered other options and asking Govt. for funds.

Chinese weapons on board f-22P are cheap knock offs western and russian weapons.

C-802 ..Harpoon
FM-90 SAM...Cortale
Type 730 CIWS ...AK630
AK176..soviet main gun

ON top of it..F-22P(2500 tonnes) is hardly the size of a corvette, yet has been designated as frigates, just like how Amazon class frigates(2750 tonnes) were classified as destroyers in Pakistan Navy.

In fact Indian Navy's Kamorta class corvette(2800 tonnes, 3400 tonnes full load) are bigger and better equipped than Pakistani frigates and destroyers..barring one OHP.

If you call those knock off then your nirbhay is knock off of tomahawk CM and Brahmos is knock off of Onyx missiles.

 

[ares]

Yes because its main purpose is defensive patrol where PAF can provide air cover, if OHPs had been released to PN then they would have been main attack fleet of PN but now PN have considered other options and asking Govt. for funds.



If you call those knock off then your nirbhay is knock off of tomahawk CM and Brahmos is knock off of Onyx missiles.

Nirbhay and tomahawk have nothing in common except they are both cruise missiles..however Babur and tomahawk..same design, same navigation.

Brhamos is Indo-Russian joint venture, Onyx is Russian missile, how can you call it knock off..they are designed by the same country.

Regardless the most advanced vessel in your Navy, far below power, than even India's indigenous corvettes.

 

[The SC]

Pakistan can at least defend with this against Brahmos:

Aspide Mk1/Mk2

The Italian Aspide, basically a licensed version of the American Sparrow, is similarly employed as both an air-to-air and surface-to-air missile, and in the later role it is launched from both ships and ground platforms. The AIM-7E Sparrow entered service in 1962 and was widely used as a standard for other variants such as the Sky Flash (UK) and Aspide (Italy). Alenia Difesa offers a complete range of systems, including the air to air and surface to air systems based on Aspide missile (Spada, Skyguard, Albatros, ARAMIS).
The Chinese PL-11 medium-range AAM is based on the Aspide, which was acquired by China in the late 1980s for use in the air-to-air roles, and as with the American and Italian version, subsequently in the LY-60 system modified for both ground and naval air defence applications. In reaction to the Tiananmen Square massacre, the European Council--an EU decision-making body comprised of ministers from EU member countries--imposed several sanctions in June 1989, including "an embargo on trade in arms with China." The deliveries of Italian Aspide air-to-air missiles appear to have been made in connection with pre-embargo agreements. Although a contract for the Aspide system has been signed with Italian firm Alinea, the government in Rome had not given its permission to export the missiles to Cyprus, fearing the deployment would only fuel existing tensions.

Through Alenia Difesa, Finmeccanica offers a complete range of systems, including the surface to air systems based on the Aspide missile (Spada, Skyguard, Albatros, ARAMIS).

Specifications - Skyguard SAM
Capacity discovery radar 20 Km
N. fire channels 2
N. ready missiles to the launch 12
Time reaction arranges 11 sec
The maximum capacity 10 Km
Minimal capacity 750 m
The maximum quota 3.5 Km approximately
Guidance system homing semiactive
Weight of the missile 220 Kg approximately
maximum speed of the missile 650 m/sec
Single-shot hit probability (SSKP) 80%

 

[ares]

Pakistan can at least defend with this against Brahmos:

Aspide Mk1/Mk2

The Italian Aspide, basically a licensed version of the American Sparrow, is similarly employed as both an air-to-air and surface-to-air missile, and in the later role it is launched from both ships and ground platforms. The AIM-7E Sparrow entered service in 1962 and was widely used as a standard for other variants such as the Sky Flash (UK) and Aspide (Italy). Alenia Difesa offers a complete range of systems, including the air to air and surface to air systems based on Aspide missile (Spada, Skyguard, Albatros, ARAMIS).
The Chinese PL-11 medium-range AAM is based on the Aspide, which was acquired by China in the late 1980s for use in the air-to-air roles, and as with the American and Italian version, subsequently in the LY-60 system modified for both ground and naval air defence applications. In reaction to the Tiananmen Square massacre, the European Council--an EU decision-making body comprised of ministers from EU member countries--imposed several sanctions in June 1989, including "an embargo on trade in arms with China." The deliveries of Italian Aspide air-to-air missiles appear to have been made in connection with pre-embargo agreements. Although a contract for the Aspide system has been signed with Italian firm Alinea, the government in Rome had not given its permission to export the missiles to Cyprus, fearing the deployment would only fuel existing tensions.

Through Alenia Difesa, Finmeccanica offers a complete range of systems, including the surface to air systems based on the Aspide missile (Spada, Skyguard, Albatros, ARAMIS).

Specifications - Skyguard SAM
Capacity discovery radar 20 Km
N. fire channels 2
N. ready missiles to the launch 12
Time reaction arranges 11 sec
The maximum capacity 10 Km
Minimal capacity 750 m
The maximum quota 3.5 Km approximately
Guidance system homing semiactive
Weight of the missile 220 Kg approximately
maximum speed of the missile 650 m/sec
Single-shot hit probability (SSKP) 80%

1. Spada 2000 which equips PAF and not Pakistan Navy.
2. It is land based system and not a ship based system.
3. It has not proven capability against anti ship missiles, much less supersonic missile.
4. It has semi active homing, which is not ideal missile interception.

Spada 2000 with 20-25 KM range and 60 Km tracking range is similar to Akash system and no one would call Akash an anti-missile.

 

[The SC]

1. Spada 2000 which equips PAF and not Pakistan Navy.
2. It is land based system and not a ship based system.
3. It has not proven capability against anti ship missiles, much less supersonic missile.
4. It has semi active homing, which is not ideal missile interception.

Spada 2000 with 20-25 KM range and 60 Km tracking range is similar to Akash system and no one would call Akash an anti-missile.

What about the LY-60?

 

[ares]

What about the LY-60?

All the same reason plus.

LY-60 is even worse that Spada 2000, was copied from the earliest version of Aspide, after west embargoed weapons sales to China, due to Tiananmen square massacre.

Developed in early late 80s, early 90s

12-18km range, Semi active.

 

[The SC]

All the same reason plus.

LY-60 is even worse that Spada 2000, was copied from the earliest version of Aspide, after west embargoed weapons sales to China, due to Tiananmen square massacre.

Developed in early late 80s, early 90s

12-18km range, Semi active.

Brahmos was copied from still yet an older version of a russian cruise missile, the Onyx.
Please read the full article, it has all the answers for you. And this was only one possibility with many variants inclusing ship based one, it is even underlined.
Hope you are not trolling!

 

[ares]

Brahmos was copied from still yet an older version of a russian cruise missile, the Onyx.
Please read the full article, it has all the answers for you. And this was only one possibility with many variants inclusing ship based one, it is even underlined.
Hope you are not trolling!

Wether Brahmos was copied or not copied from yakhont..it is still state of the art missile, with no western of Chinese equivalent.

LY60 N is no where state of the art, it is a run of the mill system, It is deployed only on Type 21 'destroyers' of Pakistan navy.

With 18km range , it hardly an anti aircraft missile, much less an anti missile.

 

[Bornubus]

I have few questions?

Why are we rely so much on only high end Brahmos...i know PN has no chance against it...but is it mean that other Anti ship missiles in our inventory ....becomes redundant like.... KH 31 .... KH 35 and harpoon when it fired from Mig 29k or p8i?


what about Dhanush ....in what scenarios...is it against large battle groups or just for coastal attack?

@ares
@NKVD

 

[A2Z]

your Comparison of Pakistan with Israel is Hilarious.Best of Luck

Not comparing Pakistan and Israel, comparing the situation and relationship. People often say Pakistan is China's Israel.

you never repelled us 65

The attack on Lahore was.

After 2008 there was no major terrorist attacks in India ever wonder why"??

Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer - The Times of India

Seriously!!You know what - why don't you make it 50:1 or even better............500:1 !!Kiddo,do you even know that back in 65,Indian Army was actually out numbered by Pakistani Army in terms of Tanks and medium artillery??But how would you know,neither do I expect a madrassa scum like you have an iota of know wrt this things.

Next thing you might say is that Pakistan used nukes in 65. Wont you?

 

[Bornubus]

@A2Z

Sorry i don't indulge myself in conspiracy theories.......BTW why did you detained that social worker in Jail if the indian govt behind 26/11


Also plZ file a defamation case against your then Interior minister who acknowledged Pakistanis involvement

 

[Omega007]

Next thing you might say is that Pakistan used nukes in 65. Wont you?

Nah,do not confuse me with yourself bro!!By the way,enough off topic discussion,let us do the talking at somewhere else,on the some other time.............kapise??

 

[A2Z]

Nah,do not confuse me with yourself bro!!By the way,enough off topic discussion,let us do the talking at somewhere else,on the some other time.............kapise??

 

[vsdave2302]

Dude I have discussed this topic on board F-22P and they laughed and said let Indians on net say what they like but their Navy knows that we can defend our ports and coastlines.

My dear friend,

Some time you sound hilarious.

 

[NKVD]

Not comparing Pakistan and Israel, comparing the situation and relationship. People often say Pakistan is China's Israel.

Really where was this Friend of Yours in 65,71 or 99.Nevertheless Its Not Very Long Ago Pakistani Generals Were Lauding Same With US-Pak Relationship What's it Status Today??Is Lesson For You Guys
So,Stop Your Fan-boyish Lauding on Others Achievements. And Understand One Core Fact of Diplomatic Relationship.That Relationship BtW Nations Lies On Self-interest Nothing More or Less