How can Pakistan Navy defend itself from Brahmos cruse missile ?

[ruby007]

So you are saying in case of such a conflict all the IN ships and aircrafts would be sent to western coast and eastern coast will have nothing? Everything would be left on 'your friends'?

Even when you were friends with China During the past wars and tension times almost all of the major warships from eastern fleet were sent to wesstern coast. And people like you should wake up to the reality that China would never take sides to fight a war that's not her's... I repeatedly told this to the idiot pomegranate even asked if he can present me a single sane Chinese who don't agree on this, but i never got reply from him.

China is just a Rival, but not in a position to fight a war on behalf of Pakistan from her China gets nothing...I mean think about it, just like Pakistan having territorial issues with India, china too have land issue, that's bigger than J&K i guess. and china is not able to attack india and take her land back, then why would China attack India for Pakistan and loose trade values worth 100 Billions????

 

[Gufi]

I repeatedly told this to the idiot pomegranate

that is not tolerated here

Even when you were friends with China During the past wars and tension times almost all of the major warships from eastern fleet were sent to wesstern coast. And people like you should wake up to the reality that China would never take sides to fight a war that's not her's... I repeatedly told this to the idiot pomegranate even asked if he can present me a single sane Chinese who don't agree on this, but i never got reply from him.

China will not fight a war but it can take advantage of open seas or land with weak troop movement in war times the lines of ethical and correct get blurred. So they will take advantage by taking back their land
other then that Pakistan does not need China to physically fight a war, their help in R&D is enough. We can manage ourselves the maximum that will happen is a lot of nucs and the people are ready for that....

 

[NKVD]

China will not fight a war but it can take advantage of open seas or land with weak troop movement in war times the lines of ethical and correct get blurred. So they will take advantage by taking back their land
other then that Pakistan does not need China to physically fight a war, their help in R&D is enough. We can manage ourselves the maximum that will happen is a lot of nucs and the people are ready for that....

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[Basel]

Nirbhay and tomahawk have nothing in common except they are both cruise missiles..however Babur and tomahawk..same design, same navigation.

Brhamos is Indo-Russian joint venture, Onyx is Russian missile, how can you call it knock off..they are designed by the same country.

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Regardless the most advanced vessel in your Navy, far below power, than even India's indigenous corvettes.

Whom you are trying to fool by saying nirbhay is not inspired by Tomahawk, all current subsonic CMs are inspired by US tech and it will continue to be in future in near future, that world will follow US tech development.

 

[Basel]

My dear friend,

Some time you sound hilarious.

My dear friend all things can not be shared on net. There are many things that PDF members may knew but they may not share it here.

 

[Atheria]

MK-41 VLS with SM-2 missiles ..simple
I hope VLS systems are retrofitted into our F-22Ps and our OHP

 

[ruby007]

that is not tolerated here

China will not fight a war but it can take advantage of open seas or land with weak troop movement in war times the lines of ethical and correct get blurred. So they will take advantage by taking back their land
other then that Pakistan does not need China to physically fight a war, their help in R&D is enough. We can manage ourselves the maximum that will happen is a lot of nucs and the people are ready for that....

please act as an analyst.... During Indo-pak war China taking land from India( AP ) means India is in a two front war.. and we've a strike corpse specially designed to take care of Chinese adventures inno AP. During all the past indo-pak wars China had land problem with India and China had a perfect opertunity take AP back while India was weak on eastern border, Why didn't China do that???? in 99 During Kargil war Chinese Did try to take a indian deserted airbase in Ladak but indo tibetan border police was soon alerted and mounted some defence on the field.

And China has no territorial problem in Indian waters and islands. why would they send their Ships here to take advantage ???

 

[Gufi]

please act as an analyst.... During Indo-pak war China taking land from India( AP ) means India is in a two front war.. and we've a strike corpse specially designed to take care of Chinese adventures inno AP. During all the past indo-pak wars China had land problem with India and China had a perfect opertunity take AP back while India was weak on eastern border, Why didn't China do that???? in 99 During Kargil war Chinese Did try to take a indian deserted airbase in Ladak but indo tibetan border police was soon alerted and mounted some defence on the field.

the bold part was not necessary...

• China is stronger then it was before
• China will not fear Russian intervention as China has improved relations
  
• China knows that normal diplomacy has failed in all land problems
• China knows unless it intervenes there will be a nuclear war which is against its interests.

other then that Pakistan does not need China to physically fight a war, their help in R&D is enough

that is also something I did say... I postulated the if based on current events and situational awareness

 

[vsdave2302]

My dear friend all things can not be shared on net. There are many things that PDF members may knew but they may not share it here.

When an American analyst raises the voice that Brahmos can not be defended but you and many like you are confident that Pakistan can defend that. I can wish you good luck and nothing else.

 

[monitor]

My dear friend all things can not be shared on net. There are many things that PDF members may knew but they may not share it here.

Pakistan/India is not any super power country who could develop any ultra modern secret weapons then other country so i don't think Pakistan or India could have anything special treat for each other .

 

[ruby007]

the bold part was not necessary...

• China is stronger then it was before
• China will not fear Russian intervention as China has improved relations
  
• China knows that normal diplomacy has failed in all land problems
• China knows unless it intervenes there will be a nuclear war which is against its interests.

that is also something I did say... I postulated the if based on current events and situational awareness

Well then my apology for the bold part

Same way India is much stronger than before.

We don't need anyone's Intervention.. if you still insist we've other countries that can intervene

To begin with, Chinese know long before 62 that India would never give up AP. but still they've never tried when they had the chance of taking it back.

No... you are wrong, Only China entering in a war risks the use of Nukes. India is not that fool to break the Pakistani nuclear threshold..

 

[Penguin]

I wonder if Pakistan feels any kind of threat from Russian missile which India claims to be home made. Pakistan has RAAD missile too which is also cruise missile. It is enough to destroy already sinking Indian naval fleet.

It would be silly not to feel a threat. The air launched Ra'ad cruisemissile is designed to attack fixed enemy installations (such as radar posts, command nodes and stationarysuface to air missile launchers) at stand-off range, keeping the launching aircraft away from enemy air defence systems. IMHO it is useless against navy ships, unless anchored somewhere or in port. Would you care to explain what you mean by your last sentence? There is nothing sinking about the IN.

As I said cm400 is an ASM I doubt it has sea skimming ability without the possibility of reduced range if at all. It flies from up to down, completely linear trajectory and makes head on interception easy for SAMs unlike Brahmos which uses the S-manuever.
You are putting too much emphasis on speed there are many missiles faster than Brahmos but that's not what makes it special, its Brahmos' asymmetric trajectory and mach speeds all throughout its flight which makes detection and engagement extremely hard. Even if it is detected it will already be too late to destroy it with anything.

CM400 is a high-diver not a seaskimmer. Compare to Soviet/Russian AS-16 Kickback, but with more modern guidance
AS-16 Kickback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Basel]

When an American analyst raises the voice that Brahmos can not be defended but you and many like you are confident that Pakistan can defend that. I can wish you good luck and nothing else.

Dear US have a habit of down playing their capabilities remember how they make Iraq a power before first Gulf war, and what real situation was?

@Penguin what is you opinion about Brahmos? can Phalnax & HHQ7 stop them which are mounted on PN ships?? Also many Indian claim that Brahmos is more deadly and effective against ships then CM-400AKG, what is your opinion??

BTW PN officer told me on F-22P that Phalnax can hit 81 rounds to any supersonic missiles at 1500 meters effectively in last ditch effort and they can't avoid its detection and response.

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin what is you opinion about Brahmos? can Phalnax & HHQ7 stop them which are mounted on PN ships?? Also many Indian claim that Brahmos is more deadly and effective against ships then CM-400AKG, what is your opinion??

Phalanx, Goalkeeper etc can all hit supersonic targets. It is just that with those speeds, even if you destroy the missile close in, the debris (including unspent missile fuel) will still hit and damage your ship. Hence the need to put the moment of kill farther out, away from the ship.

Brahmos, like Moskit or Krypton or Club 3M-54 are all dangerous. But relatively easy to detect by radar, IIR/Thermal and ESM, and all rely mainly on active radar for hitting their target, thus are susceptable to ECM. Not invincible.

CM-400AKG makes a terminal dive to mach 5 rather than just mach 2-3 and imho is more difficult to kill in the terminal stage. However, prior to reaching terminal stage, it flies a high(er) flight path, which makes it more detectable sooner. So, there is a trade off. It is not a simple comparison.

 

[Gufi]

No... you are wrong, Only China entering in a war risks the use of Nukes. India is not that fool to break the Pakistani nuclear threshold..

Define the thresholds please and tell me what type of war will be fought in your eyes