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How big of a threat is Al-Shabaab to the United States?

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Al-Shabaab calls for attacks on Western shopping malls 03:17
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  • Al-Shabaab has released a video calling for attacks on shopping malls in West
  • Peter Bergen: Group has succeeded in recruiting a number of Americans

Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst, a professor of practice at Arizona State University and a vice president at the New America Foundation. He is the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."

(CNN)How big a threat is Al-Shabaab to the United States? Despite the Somali terrorist group's calls over the weekend for attacks on malls in the West, including the vast Mall of America in Minnesota, the group isn't much of a threat at all to Americans.

The reality is that Al-Shabaab has shown scant abilities to conduct operations outside of Somalia or neighboring countries such as Kenya. Indeed, the only operation anyone associated with the group has attempted in the West is when a Somali man armed with an ax in 2010 forced himself into the home of Kurt Westergaard -- a Danish cartoonist who had depicted the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban -- and tried unsuccessfully to break into the fortified safe room where Westergaard was hiding.

Danish intelligence officials said the suspect had links with Al-Shabaab.

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Peter Bergen on location in Afghanistan.
That said, the group has succeeded in recruiting a number of Americans to fight in Somalia, most of whom are from Minnesota. Seven Somali-American men traveled from Minnesota to Somalia to fight for Al-Shabaab in late 2007, including Shirwa Ahmed, who graduated from high school in Minneapolis and then worked at the Minneapolis airport pushing passengers in wheelchairs. During this period, he became increasingly religious, and in his spare time, he would counsel drunken Somali kids in the impoverished area of Minneapolis known as "Little Mogadishu," after the Somali capital, to embrace their own culture.

Ahmed left Minneapolis for good on December 4, 2007, on a flight that took him to Saudi Arabia, from where he eventually made his way to Somalia. In Somalia, he was trained by Al-Shabaab on the use of a wide variety of guns and weapons.On October 29, 2008, he drove a truck loaded with explosives toward a government compound in Puntland, northern Somalia, blowing himself up and killing 20 other people, becoming whatthen-FBI director Robert Mueller described as the first U.S. citizen to conduct a terrorist suicide bombing.

Ahmed's suicide caused considerable consternation at the FBI. If an American citizen was willing to die in a suicide operation overseas, what might that say about the possibility of Americans conducting suicidal attacks in the States?

One only had to look at the British experience to understand how this could develop.

In 2003, a British citizen had conducted a suicide bombing at a jazz club frequented by Americans in Tel Aviv, Israel. This turned out to be something of a curtain-raiser for future terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom. Two years after the terrorist attack in Israel, four British citizens committed suicide in bombings on London's transportation system on July 7, 2005. It was the most deadly terrorist attack ever on British soil, claiming 52 lives.

Alarmed by Al-Shabaab's campaign of suicide attacks across Somalia and its recruitment of Americans, the State Department designated the group as a foreign terrorist organization in March 2008, making it illegal for a person in the United States to knowingly provide Al-Shabaab with money, communications equipment, weapons or explosives or to join the group.

By 2008, the Somali-Americans traveling to their homeland to join the al Qaeda aligned Al-Shabaab seemed like a particularly threatening cohort. Codenamed Operation Rhino, the FBI started a serious effort to crack down on anyone traveling to Somalia to support Al-Shabaab.

Adding to the alarm at the FBI, in early June 2011, the agency announced that Farah Mohamed Beledi, from Minneapolis, had detonated a bomb, becoming one of two suicide attackers responsible for killing two African Union soldiers in Somalia.

The third American to conduct a suicide attack was Abdisalan Hussein Ali, a 22-year-old from Minneapolis who took part in a strike on African Union troops in Mogadishu on October 29, 2011.

There may even have been a fourth American suicide attacker in Somalia. On September 17, 2009, two stolen U.N. vehicles loaded with bombs blew up at Mogadishu airport, killing more than a dozen peacekeepers of the African Union. The FBI suspected that 18-year-old Omar Mohamud of Seattle was one of the bombers.

But Al-Shabaab's American support network has extended beyond Minnesota.

Ruben Shumpert, an African-American convert to Islam from Seattle, was killed in Somalia in 2008. And a former U.S. soldier from Maryland, Craig Baxam, was arrested by Kenyan authorities in 2011 as he tried to make his way to Somalia to join Al-Shabaab, which he told FBI agents he considered to be a religious duty.

Still, despite these developments, for the Americans who traveled to Somalia to fight for Al-Shabaab, it has typically been a one-way ticket. More than a dozen Americans have died while fighting for Al- Shabaab, according to a U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security report, while none of the Americans recruited by Al-Shabaab is known to have subsequently planned or conducted a terrorist attack inside the United States, according to a survey of more than 250 jihadist terrorism cases since the 9/11 attacks conducted by New America.

The possibility remains, of course, that Al-Shabaab's calls for attack on malls in the West might inspire a lone wolf attack. But there is no sign so far that Al-Shabaab's recruits have actually plotted to launch an attack in the United States.

For now, at least, the group has also not shown that it is capable of carrying out attacks in the West.

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How big of a threat is Al-Shabaab to the United States? - CNN.com
 
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Al Shabaab isn't much of a threat to the U.S. but a HUGE threat to muslims. That's because if they WERE able to pull something off in the U.S. it would make Americans very 'unhappy' with muslims and that could be a real problem for muslims in the U.S. :usflag:
 
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Al Shabaab isn't much of a threat to the U.S. but a HUGE threat to muslims. That's because if they WERE able to pull something off in the U.S. it would make Americans very 'unhappy' with muslims and that could be a real problem for muslims in the U.S. :usflag:

US Muslims have on the most part been very loyal to their country.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/files/2011/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_the_Decade_Since_9_11.pdf

The ones that have been caught have been "travelling" or in the case of Boston, 911 etc outsiders who settled there.

On topic the US should continue to drone them. Open deserts make easy viewing and hence target acquisition. Al-Shabab is very Somali centric and I doubt their reach elsewhere.
 
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If there's another 9/11 here you can try to tell that to the mobs burning down the mosques.:usflag:

Too far to tell them that chief. Civilised folks wouldn't do that. You describe them as anything but. :usflag:
 
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Too far to tell them that chief. Civilised folks wouldn't do that. You describe them as anything but. :usflag:

I don't think Americans have an infinite amount of forgiveness and understanding. Another 9/11 would wear that pretty thin.:usflag:
 
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I don't think Americans have an infinite amount of forgiveness and understanding. Another 9/11 would wear that pretty thin.:usflag:

That's understandable and I hope there isn't any such attack.

It would be nice to see a ramping up of drone strikes on these guys, Obama should be more pro-active in this regard. Hit them at home and the AU can do the rest.
 
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That's understandable and I hope there isn't any such attack.

It would be nice to see a ramping up of drone strikes on these guys, Obama should be more pro-active in this regard. Hit them at home and the AU can do the rest.

We need more sorties. Obama isn't flying near as many sorties as we can. During the Gulf War we were flying hundreds a day. Plus, it's good practice.
 
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US Muslims have on the most part been very loyal to their country.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/files/2011/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_the_Decade_Since_9_11.pdf

The ones that have been caught have been "travelling" or in the case of Boston, 911 etc outsiders who settled there.

On topic the US should continue to drone them. Open deserts make easy viewing and hence target acquisition. Al-Shabab is very Somali centric and I doubt their reach elsewhere.

Yes, because they have not been raised in an atmosphere of religious and sectarian indoctrination. It also helps that they are educated and can get jobs, compared to European Muslims who are not as well off economically and therefore prone to extremist indoctrination. Al Shabab is not really a threat. Sure, they can commit acts of terror but what will that accomplish other than backlash against Muslims? We could do our part and pull out of the ME and stop meddling in the affairs of these countries. These terrorist warnings are just bs. If you were Al Shabab or whoever, would you tell the authorities where you wanted to attack so they could prepare? Did they warn the Kenyans that they were planning an attack on Westgate? So why warn America? Its contrived bs to accentuate the police state.

I don't think Americans have an infinite amount of forgiveness and understanding. Another 9/11 would wear that pretty thin.:usflag:

911 is not just about Muslims as more and more Americans are beginning to understand. You can mix in Israel, and our foreign policy.
 
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... So why warn America? Its contrived bs to accentuate the police state...
...911 is not just about Muslims as more and more Americans are beginning to understand. You can mix in Israel, and our foreign policy.


UH-OH !! We got one of 'them'.:pleasantry:

Note to Mods : Can we get a 'tin foil' hat emote ?
 
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UH-OH !! We got one of 'them'.:pleasantry:

Note to Mods : Can we get a 'tin foil' hat emote ?

Useful idiots religiously believe whatever the government tells them. Hey its not like the government has ever lied or attempted to lie to do things it wouldn't be able to do in peace times (Gulf of Tomkin, Northwoods etc). Anyone that questions the official government/mainstream media narrative is a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
 
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