How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese

[Ultima Thule]

But F16 were not USED in the operation... and if no F 16 WERE USED... no AIM 120... AS PER DG ISPR...

We can keep extracting info from available sources... but PROOF...

Would you agree with me on one FACT... that it would (IF DOWNED???) have not fallen INTACT... DEBRIS would have scattered across a BIG AREA... Is it really that easy to HIDE the remains of such BIG jet...

You are UNDERESTIMATING the Indian media and political opponents of Modi...

Not in strike package but doing CAP all along LOC/IB @Novice09

 

[Novice09]

Not in strike package but. Doing CAP all along LOC/IB

And that's the ridiculous absurd your iaf chief told you,how on earth 2/2.5 gen interceptor can bring down modern 4.5th gen jet with limited radar coverage (small diameter air intake nose cone) which can't guide bvr, our old f-16 have 150 200 km radar (apg 66) whereas our block-52 has a range of 300 km radar range (apg 68 v9) we have better bvr amraam c5 (105 km) then your r-77 on mig 21/ mki ,our ACM claim make more sene then your iaf chief ridiculous claims @Novice09

Who told you that F 16 was engaged by a MiG 21 from 150/200 kms... R 73 was used to engage the Falcon and its range is just 30/40 kms...

I rarely share this article with any Pakistani... but just to help with your query...

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...ts-use-of-advanced-jammers-to-match-u-s-f-15s

 

[waqasmwi]

Pakistan needs supersonic cruise missile.

 

[newb3e]

I do hope that Chinese and KSA along with IMF are proving enough money to keep beggar away for a year or so...

You should have talked to DG ISPR AND IK about the second pilot too... hope they won't lie to you...

Plus, Mirage went deeper... but USA AND CHINA had already expanded something too much... and only sh!T can come out from it now... NOTHING ELSE...

deep!! i dint understand shit!

 

[Windjammer]

Apart from creating terminologies and using fancy wordings, the Indians couldn't do with their Flankers, Fulcrums and MK2s what PAF done with it's almost 50 year old Mirage-5s. Even their so called invincible Raptor of the East ran for dear life after one of them got an AMRAAM up it's backside.
Forget about Swiss Cheese, even Bipin Rawat is suffering from Haldi Daal motions.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Wars are not that easy to fight specially when you don't have enough money... 26th was a complete failure as PAF was caught unguarded by the IAF even after such level of alertness...

On 27th... IAF was up in the air to tackle the aggression... we lost a jet but several valuable lessons are learnt...

IAF wants to speed up the induction of Tejas to replace the aging MiG 21s... BABUS AND TOP BRASS are completely shocked by the failure of MiG 21's engine at a crucial moment...

Stop mentioning money.
Money is short because west installed and your friend traitor Nawaz. Pakistanis now understand fully that he was brought in to do the damage, which is no apparent to any sane person. He has purposefully dragged Pakistani economy to the ground on the instructions of his masters, while benefiting himself and his family.
It is not your worry, we will come out of it. It is good it is happening now, it would give Pakistan chance to clean it house and put it in order.

 

[Novice09]

Stop mentioning money.
Money is short because west installed and your friend traitor Nawaz. Pakistanis now understand fully that he was brought in to do the damage, which is no apparent to any sane person. He has purposefully dragged Pakistani economy to the ground on the instructions of his masters, while benefiting himself and his family.
It is not your worry, we will come out of it. It is good it is happening now, it would give Pakistan chance to clean it house and put it in order.

So... Indians and Americans have voted for Nawaz in elections???

Bhai... logic...

You really need to understand CPEC...

 

[crankthatskunk]

So... Indians and Americans have voted for Nawaz in elections???

Bhai... logic...

You really need to understand CPEC...

No, they pushed the military, at the time Musharaf and Kiyani to do an NRO with both BB and Nawaz. Allow them back in to the country, take part in election and give them "Baris" turns to loot Pakistan.
Musharaf thinking he can stay as President while these looters can be PMs accepted the orders of USA/UK.

Condi Rice has accepted that in her book, therefore, it is a confirmed fact.
I am logical, very logical.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

The news is credible when some Pakistani writes about Indian defense while sipping coffee in US, Britain or France, but when same thing happens with Indians, it automatically becomes propaganda?

where were sukhoi at 27th ? and after thet lol

 

[Hamza913]

it is bigger than F16 and hiding its REMAINS is not EASY... specially IN INDIA...

Where do you think they pulled the AIM-120C from? Those things are not easy to find.

Your DG ISPR CLAIMED that NO F 16s were used

No, they claimed no F-16s were used to hit targets in India.

 

[Novice09]

No, they pushed the military, at the time Musharaf and Kiyani to do an NRO with both BB and Nawaz. Allow them back in to the country, take part in election and give them "Baris" turns to loot Pakistan.
Musharaf thinking he can stay as President while these looters can be PMs accepted the orders of USA/UK.

Condi Rice has accepted that in her book, therefore, it is a confirmed fact.
I am logical, very logical.

I agree with you... but who voted for them... I'm sure PTI was also there during those elections... we're they PPP and PML N were appointed without any ELECTION...

READ YOUR HISTORY... Any politician/military ruler who tried to have better relations with India... ended up as a GADDAR...

DIED, KILLED, EXECUTED OR KICKED OUT OF PAKISTAN...

 

[notorious_eagle]

Well... I would believe the Indian SOURCE instead of a PAKISTANI... same goes for Pakistanis...

When you say MKI was downed... I have every reason to believe that Falcon was obliterated...

Things which are crystal clear:

1. IAF breached Pakistani air space... dropped bombs... came back without any opposition... PAF was sleeping...

2. PAF retaliated... next day... breached Indian air space... challenged... IAF lost one MiG 21 Bison... pilot captured and returned by Pakistan...

MKI downed... Falcon downed... blah blah blah... no end until proved with HARD EVIDENCE...

Small correction in your post

2. PAF retaliated .. crossed into Indian Airspace ... dropped bombs near an Indian military installation .. safely crossed back ... PAF fighters providing cover to the strike package engages chasing Indian interceptors. And a big difference, while IAF carried out the strike at night, PAF carried out the strike in broad daylight. That should tell you how confident PAF was that it can safely tame IAF.

And i agree with you, PAF needs to provide hard evidence that it shot down SU-30MKI just like IAF needs to provide hard evidence.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Well... I would believe the Indian SOURCE instead of a PAKISTANI... same goes for Pakistanis...

When you say MKI was downed... I have every reason to believe that Falcon was obliterated...

Things which are crystal clear:

1. IAF breached Pakistani air space... dropped bombs... came back without any opposition... PAF was sleeping...

2. PAF retaliated... next day... breached Indian air space... challenged... IAF lost one MiG 21 Bison... pilot captured and returned by Pakistan...

MKI downed... Falcon downed... blah blah blah... no end until proved with HARD EVIDENCE...

What about helicopter. You shot down own helicopter. Many died due to incompetancy of IAF.

About brahmos threat, we should get heavy strike fighter such as Jh7a. This is inevitable.

 

[SecularNationalist]

How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese
Rakesh Krishnan | New Delhi, Thursday, May 16, 2019 | 21:27 IST

India has signalled its intent to strike enemy targets with devastating force early on in a conflict. Following the success of the Balakot raid by 12 Mirage-2000 fighters using Israeli ground penetrator bombs, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to test fire the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI air dominance fighter. This will allow the IAF to carry out punitive air strikes deep in enemy territory from safe standoff distances.

The air-launched BrahMos-A has an estimated operational range of over 400 km and can be dropped from 1,640 to 46,000 feet. The missile, named after the Brahmaputra in India and the Moskva river in Russia, is currently the world's fastest cruise missile.

Individually, the Su-30 and BrahMos are powerful weapons. But when the one of the most supermanoeuvrable fighters in the world is armed with a uniquely destructive cruise missile, together they are a dramatic force multiplier.

The extended range of the BrahMos-A will allow IAF pilots to destroy Balakot type targets from at least 150 km within Indian territory. The Sukhois can also launch their missiles against Pakistani targets from the southwest while flying over international waters, thereby complicating the enemy's defences.

While Pakistani air defences - and its terrorists in Balakot - were literally caught napping during the February 26 raid, at least the Pakistani military woke up after the Indian bombs exploded, and the PAF was able to scramble a few jets. In theory, if the Pakistanis had detected the intrusion early, they could have alerted the jehadis to vacate the buildings. But a BrahMos-A barrage by Sukhois taking off from Halwara air base in Punjab will take less than 60 seconds to crash into the terror complex in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, giving no time to the jehadis to even say their prayers.

As Brahmos Corp General Manager P. Pathak told Defence iQ, "The (missile's) accuracy makes it especially useful in attacking military targets in urban areas where reduced collateral damage is a priority. Indeed, cruise missile technology has been developing alongside the rapid development of computer technology, positioning systems and propellant technology. As a result, India is able to field a system from the air, without the need for additional aircraft."

The BrahMos-A was first flight tested from a Sukhoi in July 2018 over the Bay of Bengal. The cruise missile will kick off its final developmental trials in later 2019, including two launches against a naval and a ground target. The IAF wants two squadrons of Sukhois to be modified to carry the BrahMos-A and the timeline for completing conversion is 2020.

While terror targets, such as Balakot, will be provided on a real time basis by Indian intelligence and space agencies, the war time targets are obvious. A two-squadron attack can within minutes utterly cripple Pakistan's command and control centres; nuclear power plants, including Kahuta where the so-called Islamic Bomb is manufactured; the Sargodha Central Ammunition Depot west of Lahore where these warheads are stored; ballistic missile bases in Gujranwala, Okara, Multan, Jhang and Dera Nawab Shah; Pakistani Army Corp headquarters in Rawalpindi; the Karachi Port, Pakistan's only major harbour and its Naval HQ; and ordinance factories that manufacture tanks and fighter aircraft.

In previous conflicts, the IAF avoided attacks on non-military infrastructure, with the political leadership believing that hitting civilian targets in Pakistan would anger Indian Muslims. So for instance, in the 1971 War, while the IAF and the Indian Navy attacked the oil storage farms in Karachi port - which burned for a week - they spared railway stations and airports.

The decision to equip the Sukhois with the BrahMos signals a new intent. Since the aircraft's radar can detect tall buildings at a distance of 400 km and small building at 120 km, in the next war expect a lot of damage to enemy infrastructure - dams, power stations, strategic bridges are all going to be included in the list of likely targets.

The supersonic BrahMos armed with a conventional warhead can theoretically penetrate hardened command, control and communication centres. However, there is no guarantee these targets will be 100 per cent destroyed unless the BrahMos is nuclear tipped. A pre-emptive nuclear strike will therefore ensure that Pakistan's offensive capability is effectively neutralised and it is never again a threat to India.

Against China, the Sukhoi-BrahMos tactic may not have the same impact as Chinese targets are located deep inland or on the east coast. However, Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet and its strategic railway lines connecting the illegally annexed province to the Han heartland can easily be destroyed should the dragon try and come to the aid of its client state Pakistan.

Indigenous innovation
The BrahMos-A is a slimmed down version of the original Brahmos cruise missile, but it is still a massive weapon weighing 2.5 tonnes. Because heavy modifications were necessary for integrating such a heavy missile onto the Su-30MKI, initially the Russians were reluctant to go along. But after HAL decided to go solo, Sukhoi - not wanting to miss out on juicy developmental contracts - came on board in 2011.
Modifications include reinforcing the aircraft's undercarriage in addition to various mechanical, electrical and software upgrades. The integration process also involves hardening the aircraft's electronic circuitry to withstand the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast, indicating that the BrahMos can be mated with a miniaturised nuclear warhead, if required.

According to Aviation Week, "Work is also underway on a modified lighter and smaller-diameter version of the BrahMos for deployment on the Indian navy's MiG-29K and, potentially, the Dassault Rafale." This is the BrahMos-NG (Next Generation), weighing around 1.5 tons, making it 50 per cent lighter and three meters shorter than its predecessor. Despite its compact size, 'BrahMos Lite' will be the fastest of them all at Mach 3.5 or 4,174 kph. As well as MiG-29s, it could become the standard air-to-surface strike weapon of the Tejas and Mirage fighters.
The next generation BrahMos will have a much longer range. And with the planned increase in speed, the missile will have considerably enhanced kinetic energy despite its smaller size optimised for relatively smaller aircraft.
Well before India was admitted into the Missile Technology Control Regime - a largely Western club which was aimed at restricting the range of Indian missiles to 300 km or less - the DRDO and its Russian partner NPO Mashinostroyeniya had decided to quietly increase the range, signalling the country's immunity from Western sanctions. In today's transformed geopolitical climate, with the US describing India as a trusted defence partner, there are no more such constraints. DRDO's Pathak says increasing the missile's range to 800 km is now possible after India's entry into the MTCR.

Sukhois as strategic platform
In September 2010 India's newly constituted tri-services Strategic Forces Command (SFC) submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of aircraft comprising 40 Su-30MKI fighters. The task of this "mini air force" is to deliver nuclear weapons.

The picture became clearer in October 2012 when the Cabinet Committee on Security green lighted a programme to carry out structural and software modifications on 42 Su-30MKIs and acquire 216 air-launched BrahMos missiles. Until then, the BrahMos was for exclusive use by the Navy.

The Su-30MKI is an obvious choice. According to Strategy Page, "The SFC does not want untested fighters but the ones which can be relied upon to deliver nuclear-tipped missiles. The aircraft has a titanium airframe strong enough to fly a high-speed terrain following profile. The batch of 42 Sukhois will also have hardened electronic circuitry to shield them from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast."

Having a dedicated aircraft for the nuclear attack role offers India's war planners strategic flexibility and increases the odds of success. Because ballistic missiles are used only as a weapon of last resort, they cannot really be deployed at will. Once released, they cannot be recalled and if shot down are not easily replaced. Fighter aircraft, on the other hand, can perform repeated sorties and be directed to bomb targets as they move. For instance, if Pakistan moves it warheads out of the Sargodha depot, which is presumably under constant watch by Indian satellites, the Sukhois can be vectored against military convoys transporting their nuclear cargo.

For those in the cross hairs of the BrahMos here's a message - don't bother to say your prayers, you won't have the time to finish.

The author is a New Zealand-based defence and foreign affairs analyst.

https://www.businesstoday.in/story/...airspace-look-like-swiss-cheese/1/347321.html

How about serving you some swiss cheese cake with some fantastic tea ?

How a Sukhoi-BrahMos strike will make Pakistani airspace look like Swiss cheese
Rakesh Krishnan | New Delhi, Thursday, May 16, 2019 | 21:27 IST

India has signalled its intent to strike enemy targets with devastating force early on in a conflict. Following the success of the Balakot raid by 12 Mirage-2000 fighters using Israeli ground penetrator bombs, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to test fire the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI air dominance fighter. This will allow the IAF to carry out punitive air strikes deep in enemy territory from safe standoff distances.

The air-launched BrahMos-A has an estimated operational range of over 400 km and can be dropped from 1,640 to 46,000 feet. The missile, named after the Brahmaputra in India and the Moskva river in Russia, is currently the world's fastest cruise missile.

Individually, the Su-30 and BrahMos are powerful weapons. But when the one of the most supermanoeuvrable fighters in the world is armed with a uniquely destructive cruise missile, together they are a dramatic force multiplier.

The extended range of the BrahMos-A will allow IAF pilots to destroy Balakot type targets from at least 150 km within Indian territory. The Sukhois can also launch their missiles against Pakistani targets from the southwest while flying over international waters, thereby complicating the enemy's defences.

While Pakistani air defences - and its terrorists in Balakot - were literally caught napping during the February 26 raid, at least the Pakistani military woke up after the Indian bombs exploded, and the PAF was able to scramble a few jets. In theory, if the Pakistanis had detected the intrusion early, they could have alerted the jehadis to vacate the buildings. But a BrahMos-A barrage by Sukhois taking off from Halwara air base in Punjab will take less than 60 seconds to crash into the terror complex in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, giving no time to the jehadis to even say their prayers.

As Brahmos Corp General Manager P. Pathak told Defence iQ, "The (missile's) accuracy makes it especially useful in attacking military targets in urban areas where reduced collateral damage is a priority. Indeed, cruise missile technology has been developing alongside the rapid development of computer technology, positioning systems and propellant technology. As a result, India is able to field a system from the air, without the need for additional aircraft."

The BrahMos-A was first flight tested from a Sukhoi in July 2018 over the Bay of Bengal. The cruise missile will kick off its final developmental trials in later 2019, including two launches against a naval and a ground target. The IAF wants two squadrons of Sukhois to be modified to carry the BrahMos-A and the timeline for completing conversion is 2020.

While terror targets, such as Balakot, will be provided on a real time basis by Indian intelligence and space agencies, the war time targets are obvious. A two-squadron attack can within minutes utterly cripple Pakistan's command and control centres; nuclear power plants, including Kahuta where the so-called Islamic Bomb is manufactured; the Sargodha Central Ammunition Depot west of Lahore where these warheads are stored; ballistic missile bases in Gujranwala, Okara, Multan, Jhang and Dera Nawab Shah; Pakistani Army Corp headquarters in Rawalpindi; the Karachi Port, Pakistan's only major harbour and its Naval HQ; and ordinance factories that manufacture tanks and fighter aircraft.

In previous conflicts, the IAF avoided attacks on non-military infrastructure, with the political leadership believing that hitting civilian targets in Pakistan would anger Indian Muslims. So for instance, in the 1971 War, while the IAF and the Indian Navy attacked the oil storage farms in Karachi port - which burned for a week - they spared railway stations and airports.

The decision to equip the Sukhois with the BrahMos signals a new intent. Since the aircraft's radar can detect tall buildings at a distance of 400 km and small building at 120 km, in the next war expect a lot of damage to enemy infrastructure - dams, power stations, strategic bridges are all going to be included in the list of likely targets.

The supersonic BrahMos armed with a conventional warhead can theoretically penetrate hardened command, control and communication centres. However, there is no guarantee these targets will be 100 per cent destroyed unless the BrahMos is nuclear tipped. A pre-emptive nuclear strike will therefore ensure that Pakistan's offensive capability is effectively neutralised and it is never again a threat to India.

Against China, the Sukhoi-BrahMos tactic may not have the same impact as Chinese targets are located deep inland or on the east coast. However, Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet and its strategic railway lines connecting the illegally annexed province to the Han heartland can easily be destroyed should the dragon try and come to the aid of its client state Pakistan.

Indigenous innovation
The BrahMos-A is a slimmed down version of the original Brahmos cruise missile, but it is still a massive weapon weighing 2.5 tonnes. Because heavy modifications were necessary for integrating such a heavy missile onto the Su-30MKI, initially the Russians were reluctant to go along. But after HAL decided to go solo, Sukhoi - not wanting to miss out on juicy developmental contracts - came on board in 2011.
Modifications include reinforcing the aircraft's undercarriage in addition to various mechanical, electrical and software upgrades. The integration process also involves hardening the aircraft's electronic circuitry to withstand the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast, indicating that the BrahMos can be mated with a miniaturised nuclear warhead, if required.

According to Aviation Week, "Work is also underway on a modified lighter and smaller-diameter version of the BrahMos for deployment on the Indian navy's MiG-29K and, potentially, the Dassault Rafale." This is the BrahMos-NG (Next Generation), weighing around 1.5 tons, making it 50 per cent lighter and three meters shorter than its predecessor. Despite its compact size, 'BrahMos Lite' will be the fastest of them all at Mach 3.5 or 4,174 kph. As well as MiG-29s, it could become the standard air-to-surface strike weapon of the Tejas and Mirage fighters.
The next generation BrahMos will have a much longer range. And with the planned increase in speed, the missile will have considerably enhanced kinetic energy despite its smaller size optimised for relatively smaller aircraft.
Well before India was admitted into the Missile Technology Control Regime - a largely Western club which was aimed at restricting the range of Indian missiles to 300 km or less - the DRDO and its Russian partner NPO Mashinostroyeniya had decided to quietly increase the range, signalling the country's immunity from Western sanctions. In today's transformed geopolitical climate, with the US describing India as a trusted defence partner, there are no more such constraints. DRDO's Pathak says increasing the missile's range to 800 km is now possible after India's entry into the MTCR.

Sukhois as strategic platform
In September 2010 India's newly constituted tri-services Strategic Forces Command (SFC) submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of aircraft comprising 40 Su-30MKI fighters. The task of this "mini air force" is to deliver nuclear weapons.

The picture became clearer in October 2012 when the Cabinet Committee on Security green lighted a programme to carry out structural and software modifications on 42 Su-30MKIs and acquire 216 air-launched BrahMos missiles. Until then, the BrahMos was for exclusive use by the Navy.

The Su-30MKI is an obvious choice. According to Strategy Page, "The SFC does not want untested fighters but the ones which can be relied upon to deliver nuclear-tipped missiles. The aircraft has a titanium airframe strong enough to fly a high-speed terrain following profile. The batch of 42 Sukhois will also have hardened electronic circuitry to shield them from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear blast."

Having a dedicated aircraft for the nuclear attack role offers India's war planners strategic flexibility and increases the odds of success. Because ballistic missiles are used only as a weapon of last resort, they cannot really be deployed at will. Once released, they cannot be recalled and if shot down are not easily replaced. Fighter aircraft, on the other hand, can perform repeated sorties and be directed to bomb targets as they move. For instance, if Pakistan moves it warheads out of the Sargodha depot, which is presumably under constant watch by Indian satellites, the Sukhois can be vectored against military convoys transporting their nuclear cargo.

For those in the cross hairs of the BrahMos here's a message - don't bother to say your prayers, you won't have the time to finish.

The author is a New Zealand-based defence and foreign affairs analyst.

https://www.businesstoday.in/story/...airspace-look-like-swiss-cheese/1/347321.html

And here is your real aukaat according to wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jammu_and_Kashmir_airstrikes
Su30 will do this and that bla bla is what we are hearing for a long time.The reality is your top fighter was shot down by what you call a junk fighter JF 17 thunder.You indians have no shame and you always live in the denial and bollywood mode.You accepted abhinandan jet crashed because you were not able to deny it when we showed his face to the whole world.Otherwise you would denied that too.Now you are trying to convert your February defeat into a win.

 

[hussain0216]

Look

The time came

The time went

And india had egg on its face, a large slap mark on its cheek and was huffing and puffing lies

Whats the point of bravado now indians?