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Hostile actions / propaganda against Turkey

I think the title of this thread (Hostile actions / propaganda against Turkey) and this post of yours do not match, and serve the same purposes.

The title is about a country of 80 million with thousands of years of history, culture and states founded by fathers of the same nation.

However, this post of yours is about a single person who is in politics, therefore naturally opens to politic criticism done by any one in the world.

Are you seeing the country and a politic figure of today at the same level?Or you are underlining the irony and backing up the poster?

But that HDP's strategie too, pretend that they are not against Turkey but against Erdogan (while of nobody mention that Erdogan is the one who gave the most right to kurdish population).

Today the propagando against Turkety concerne 2 point : the purge against the gulenist and the fight against PKK, any president of Turkey would have done the same but the west media translate the first by Erdogan become a dictator thank to the coup, and the second by Erdogan massacre the Kurds, that Turkey become a fasciest country.

They seems to attack Erdogan but they attack Turkey too.

Of course Erdogan should be critized for corruption case, but the west critized Erdogan for the purge and the fight against PKK, so yes propaganda against Erdogan become propagando against Turkey.
 
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Yet again, If it is targeting the country directly

Then what about this French's news paper : We cannot let Erdogan to genocide the Kurds :
http://www.lepoint.fr/editos-du-poi...enocider-les-kurdes-10-09-2016-2067398_70.php

Turkey is not direclly the target here, but they use Erdogan to make a easier propaganda against Turkey.
Western idiot who knew nothing of Turkey will think Erdogan is the problem here, and they should sanction Turkey while Erdogan is the president.
They dont knew that Erdogan is the first president to give more right to the kurd or realize that fighting against PKK is what any president of Turkey should have done.

The true title should have been : Turkey is fightin against PKK but instead they use Erdogan to remplace Turkey, genocide instead of fighting and Kurds instead of PKK.

And this is the reality in western media, you can take any media which make propagando against Turkey today, they will start with Erdogan and finish by showing Turkey fighting against the PKK or the Gulenist like a bad thing.

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In fact, since the 2 month ago (the coup) you cannot find a single western media which critized Erdogan without critizing Turkey!
 
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You admit that it is about Erdoğan, even you are trying to defend Erdoğan in this thread; and then using Turkey for this Erdoğan advocacy of yours while you at the sam time blame them for using Erdoğan to target Turkey. Irony?

Clearly you are defending a politic figure here, not the country; therefore this attitude of yours is disgusting, even your attitude to put Erdoğan first and then country second is more disgusting, your way of using the country as disguise to protect and defend a politic figure in this thread is the most disugsting thing.

The French declares themselves as the ''enemy'' of Turkey with their ''news'', What about your attiude to defend Erdoğan by pretending to defend the country in this thread makes you?

What is fucking wrong about you ?
Then like western media you think Erdogan genocide the kurd ?

I can make the difference between critizing Erdogan and propaganda against Turkey, but please show me a single western media dated after the coup, which critize Erdogan without making a propaganda against Turkey ? Show me one, only one!

Personnly since the coup attend,the whole Erdogan bashing in western media was either the purge against the gulenist or the fighting against PKK which was descripted like massacre against the kurd, and this is propaganda against Turkey because any Turkish president would have done the same.
 
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What is fucking wrong about you ?
Then like western media you think Erdogan genocide the kurd ?

I can make the difference between critizing Erdogan and propaganda against Turkey, but please show me a single western media dated after the coup, which critize Erdogan without making a propaganda against Turkey ? Show me one, only one!

Personnly since the coup attend,the whole Erdogan bashing in western media was either the purge against the gulenist or the fighting against PKK which was descripted like massacre against the kurd, and this is propaganda against Turkey because any Turkish president would have done the same.
Don't waste your breath on him brother. I picked the ignore option on him from his very first answer to me, now i don't have to read his negative filled anti-turkey propaganda.

I urge all brothers who don't want to waste their time and energy to do the same, you will never have an intellectual discussion with a man like that
 
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What i care is the country.

Any thing related primarily to the country is welcomed by the title of this thread. Any thing related to a politic figure is not welcomed by the title of this thread, but welcomed in Turkish politics section.

Their propaganda about PKK and Gulen terrorism are primarily targeting Turkey, which is what matters here.

A politic figure of today is not the same thing with a country of 80 million with thousand of years of culture, history, states founded, therefore belongs to Turkish politics thread. That is what you do not understand.

We can discuss their propaganda of PKK and Gulen terrorism as hostile aciton against Turkey, but if you bring Erdoğan up the table,then clearly means you do not care the country, but care Erdoğan's reputation. That is disgusting part of your attitude.

I hope this time you can see the difference and understand my point.
Erdogan is corrupt, dumb and islamist, but that doesn't mean he is the devil incarnated.

The accusations we see all around the western media are far beyond the reach of how he can be defined. Everything is crystal clear.


They are purposefully character-assassinating Erdogan because they don't like him, not because they give a flying fvck about Turkey,or Turkish nation or democratic and modern values in our country..


And given the fact that "the likeness of western world" depends on nothing but obedience solely (Osama Bin Laden, Al-Kaide, all other terrorists like PKK, Hitler, Saudi Arabia with 9/11, Qatar and its slavery, dictators, coup-plotting general-rules, coup-plotting general-rule dictators, etc, etc, etc..), an obvious conclusion behind what may be the cause of disliking of theirs on other entities in general can be realized.

Which is nothing but "lack of obedience". Apparently Erdogan is resisting to obey western demands, and that is the sole reason of the character-assassination he and his government are facing against.

You don't need to be a genius to figure this out, really.
 
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What i care is the country.

Any thing related primarily to the country is welcomed by the title of this thread. Any thing related to a politic figure is not welcomed by the title of this thread, but welcomed in Turkish politics section.

Their propaganda about PKK and Gulen terrorism are primarily targeting Turkey, which is what matters here.

A politic figure of today is not the same thing with a country of 80 million with thousand of years of culture, history, states founded, therefore belongs to Turkish politics thread. That is what you do not understand.

We can discuss their propaganda of PKK and Gulen terrorism as hostile aciton against Turkey, but if you bring Erdoğan up the table,then clearly means you do not care the country, but care Erdoğan's reputation. That is disgusting part of your attitude.

I hope this time you can see the difference and understand my point.

I will try one last thing to explain it to you.

Many western media (the majority) make propaganda against Turkey using Erdogan.

Turkey fight against PKK....become Erdogan massacre the Kurds.
The purge against the gulenist....become Erdogan destroy the democracy.

Since the coup, I never read a western media which critized Erdogan without making a propaganda against Turkey! If you can find such media (only one) link it to me. I defy you to find only one!

And this is HDP's strategie too, look at their speech, according to them Erdogan is the only problem to the peace with the PKK.....:crazy:

I'm not here to praise Erdogan, I know that he is authoritarian and corrup leader (or at least his son is corrup), but the west attack against Erdogan concern two point since 2 month : the gulenist and the fight against the PKK, so unfortunatly their attack against Erdogan become the attack against Turkey.
 
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Belong ? Do you believe a link can belong to only one thread ? That "Don't let Erdogan to genocide the kurds" or "Fiden Yuksekda's interview".....don't concerne propaganda against Turkey ? I done with you.
 
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I think this should also behere :)


PKK supporters gathered in Brussels' Spanjeplein Square on Sunday to celebrate the anniversary of its first attack against the Turkish state on Aug. 15, 1984.

Despite Belgium and the European Union considering the group a terrorist organization, local authorities did nothing to prevent the demonstration or to disperse the PKK supporters.

At the rally, PKK banners were hung on lamp posts and supporters carried posters of the group's imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan.

PKK sympathizers at the demonstration demanded that Öcalan be freed.
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Brussels police allowed the group to stage the demonstration even though Belgian officials said it was "unauthorized."

The Aug, 15 1984 PKK attacks led by Mahsum Korkmaz marked the start of the PKK's war against the Turkish state. PKK terrorists attacked the gendarmerie station in the Eruh district of southeastern Siirt province and killed one gendarme and injured six soldiers and three civilians. Simultaneously, PKK forces attacked an open-air gendarmerie facility, officers' housing and a gendarmerie station in the Şemdinli district of Hakkari, killing two police officers and injuring one police officer and a soldier.

Belgium has come under fire from Turkish authorities before for their tolerance of allowing PKK demonstrations in the country.

Fehriye Erdal, a member of the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party Front (DHKP-C), who was involved in the killing of a prominent Turkish businessman in 1996, had fled to Belgium after the murder and was not extradited to Turkey despite Ankara's demands. The country also does not recognize her as a terrorist and describes her as a "gang member."

Zübeyir Aydar, a senior PKK member who the U.S. Treasury Department has designated an international drug trafficker, was arrested in Belgium in 2010, but released three weeks later.

The PKK broke two-and-a-half year unilateral cease-fire with the Turkish state in July 2015, and resumed its armed campaign, which has seen civilians targeted. Hundreds of police, military officers and civilians were killed in PKK attacks while the Turkish military has been conducting a campaign both in Turkey and in the mountainous regions of Northern Iraq where senior PKK cadres are headquartered. Airstrikes in Northern Iraq as well as operations in southeastern and eastern Turkey have killed thousands of militants.

The PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by the U.S., EU and Turkey. Formed in 1978, the group had been fighting the Turkish state for an independent Kurdistan until the early 2000s. The group then shifted its goal to autonomy in the predominately Kurdish regions of Turkey.

http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-te...ary-of-its-first-terror-attack-against-turkey

I'm saying, we need a strong MIT and take care of these terrorists ourselves.....we shouldn't expect cooperation from the terrorist loving eu nations.
 
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this does not really match to the topic but I think turks wanna read it..

http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/bewe...n-mit-kopftuch-haben-es-schwer-a-1113042.html

they say.. ppl with turkish names have clearly poorer chances by an application for employmend and this indipendent from their own qualification.. and how turkish woman are discriminated in german jobs market..

so you can have less education but the right name and the right white look to get the job..
 
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