'Horrible': Christian churches throughout Egypt stormed, torched

[Ayush]

yes please start talking

Yeah, we love you too..

 

[Imran Khan]

if u call destroying chruches as civil war as a christian myself then i should also call gujarat massacare a civil war

in fact i have no sympathy with gujrat or egypt

 

[waz]

Disgusting, vila savages. As I heard from a Coptic friend today, he said the rioters were practically all the crazy Salafis. How dare they burn the houses of God! Some of these buildings go back to the fourth century.

Could the Egyptian military please circle the churches and shoot these beasts dead.

 

[MuslimConscript]

**** off with your retarded argument, the perpetrator of Ambon massacre is RMS (Republik Maluku Selatan), they incites riot and communal conflict with religion disguise as cover to get access of military EQuipment and sympathizer among aparatus government like military and Police. Those imbecile get what they want until some military units from Java and Sumatra comes and restore the order. And for your info, there is Moslem members in the ranks of RMS.

So, according to you
Muslim in RMS used Christian to Kill Muslim to Establish Christian Republic?
Sorry but, Haha

RMS Used they're own religion which is christian(and they clearly get support from chruch) to clean Muslim in there and Establish Christian Republic

For your Information, it was well know in "Acang" that "Obet" want to establish Republik Maluku Serani not Republik Maluku Selatan

 

[kalu_miah]

Then I'll say Morsi (and the Egyptian muslim brotherhood) was/were actually good enough to be allowed to finish the term for which they were elected.
That also solidifies (in my mind at least) my viewpoint that this coup by the Egyptian military and Mubarak clan is an illegal one.

Eventually the military has to allow democratic elections again. I'd advise the Egyptian muslim brotherhood not to start a civil war by large outdoor demonstrations, but rather patiently await the next elections, and participate in those again, perhaps with more promises to work on economic opportunties for all Egyptians as well as state protection for minorities.

You have come to the right conclusion in the first para, congrats. On the 2nd para, let me inform you, if I may, the Mubarak clan is bent on crushing MB. If MB do not keep their movement going, keeping the military off balance, they risk getting imprisoned, tortured and killed under false charges. So it is becoming a struggle for existence between the Mubarak clan and their associates in the Military and Police on one side and MB on the other side.

If there is a new election, there is very little chance of the election being free and fair. Mubarak clan and their security associates must come back to power by any means, otherwise they face a grim future.

It looks to me like the naive young pro-democracy activists have been used as pawns to participate in Tamarod by the Mubarak clan and the Army to come back to power. The rich Copts sold out the common poor Copts as they will be one of the biggest victims if a civil war breaks out.

 

[jayron]

yes please start talking

yeah like one unused mosque destroyed in your history and you moan and ***** for generations. Pathetic. This is what happens when the whole world treats you guys with velvet gloves. You guys need a massive dose of desensitization .

 

[Icewolf]

yeah like one unused mosque destroyed in your history and you moan and ***** for generations. Pathetic. This is what happens when the whole world treats you guys with velvet gloves. You guys need a massive dose of desensitization .

So I guess every unused temple that is historical should also have same fate as Babri Masjid

Next thing you know, your brethren might attack and destroy Taj Mahal too.

 

[darkinsky]

yeah like one unused mosque destroyed in your history and you moan and ***** for generations. Pathetic. This is what happens when the whole world treats you guys with velvet gloves. You guys need a massive dose of desensitization .

a word of advice, please go to the shopping mall and destroy every unused thing you find in the counters and say im in indian, its an indian thing

 

[kalu_miah]

So I guess every unused temple that is historical should also have same fate as Babri Masjid

Next thing you know, your brethren might attack and destroy Taj Mahal too.

Exactly:
P. N. Oak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Taj Mahal Theory[edit source | editbeta]
In his book Taj Mahal: The True Story, Oak claims that the Taj Mahal was originally a Shiva temple and a Rajput palace named Tejo Mahal seized by Shah Jahan and adopted as a tomb. He says that Mahal is a word to describe a royal palace and not a tomb and after seizure by Shah Jahan, the name was changed to Taj Mahal.[19]
The Taj, Oak says, is a "typical illustration of how all historic buildings and townships from Kashmir to Cape Comorin though of Hindu origin have been ascribed to this or that Muslim ruler or courtier".[19] He goes on to propose Hindu origins for the tombs of Humayun, Akbar and Itmiad-u-Dallah and "all historic buildings" in India as well as the Vatican,[20] the Kaaba and Stonehenge.
Further, Oak says that well known western authorities on architecture like E.B. Havell, Mrs. Kenoyer and Sir W.W.Hunter have gone on record to say that the Taj Mahal is built in the Hindu temple style.[19] Havell points out the ground plan of the ancient Hindu temple of Java, the Chandi Siva Prambanan Temple is identical with that of the Taj Mahal.[19] A central dome with cupolas at its four corners is a universal feature of Hindu temples. The four marble pillars at the plinth corners are of the Hindu style. They are used as lamp towers during night and watch towers during the day...[19] Also, he points out that the octagonal shape of the Taj Mahal has a special Hindu significance because Hindus alone have special names for the eight directions and celestial guards assigned to them.[19] Also he points out that finial of the Taj Mahal, depicts the trident pinnacle over the dome and the central shaft of the trident depicts a Kalash, holding two bent mango leaves and a coconut, which is a sacred Hindu motif.[19] Oak claims that Hindu ornaments and symbols were effaced from the Taj, whose sealed chambers hold the remnants, including a Shiva Lingam, of the original temple and that Mumtaz Mahal was not buried at her cenotaph.
In support of these claims, Oak presents carbon dating results of the wood from the riverside doorway of the Taj, quotes from European travellers' accounts and the Taj's Hindu architectural features. Oak further alleges that eyewitness accounts of the Taj Mahal's construction as well as Shah Jahan's construction orders and voluminous financial records are elaborate frauds meant to hide its Hindu origin.[19]
Oak petitioned the Indian parliament demanding that the Taj be declared a Hindu monument and that cenotaphs and sealed apartments be opened to determine whether Shivalingam or other temple remains were hidden in them.[19] According to Oak, the Indian government's refusal to allow him unfettered access amounts to a conspiracy against Hinduism. The Indian government has maintained that out of respect for the dead, unnecessary openings of cenotaphs and sealed rooms cannot be allowed.[citation needed]
Oak's denial of Islamic architecture in India has been described as one of the "more extreme manifestations of anti-Muslim sentiment" in Maharashtrian popular culture.[21] K. N. Panikkar locates Oak's work in the Hindutva movements attempt to foster a communal understanding of Indian history.[22] Tapan Raychaudhuri has referred to him as "a 'historian' much respected by the Sangh Parivar."[23]
In 2000 India's Supreme Court dismissed Oak's petition to declare that a Hindu king had built the Taj Mahal and reprimanded him for bringing the action, saying he had a "bee in his bonnet" about the Taj.[24][25] In 2005 a similar petition was dismissed by the Allahabad High Court. This case was brought by Amar Nath Mishra, a social worker and preacher who says that the Taj Mahal was built by the Hindu King Parmar Dev in 1196.[25]

 

[Nike]

So, according to you
Muslim in RMS used Christian to Kill Muslim to Establish Christian Republic?
Sorry but, Haha

RMS Used they're own religion which is christian(and they clearly get support from chruch) to clean Muslim in there and Establish Christian Republic

For your Information, it was well know in "Acang" that "Obet" want to establish Republik Maluku Serani not Republik Maluku Selatan

Are you had confirm your information by your self? had you visited Maluku during the conflict or aftermath? if you don't please shut off your blabbering bullshit and retarded argument Hezbot wannabe!!

 

[gambit]

The Christians deserve whatever dealt out to them. Simply because for being Christians.

 

[Nike]

So, according to you
Muslim in RMS used Christian to Kill Muslim to Establish Christian Republic?
Sorry but, Haha

RMS Used they're own religion which is christian(and they clearly get support from chruch) to clean Muslim in there and Establish Christian Republic

For your Information, it was well know in "Acang" that "Obet" want to establish Republik Maluku Serani not Republik Maluku Selatan

Are you had confirm your information by your self? had you visited Maluku during the conflict or aftermath? if you don't please shut off your blabbering bullshit and retarded argument Hezbot wannabe!!

 

[Indo-guy]

One of the primary financiers of the Tamarod anti-democracy movement is an Egyptian Copt who owns a major TV channel and several Egyptian media. The Coptic Pope has been vocal in his support of the anti-democracy thugs.

All of this doesn't justify the attacks on regular Copts, but the same Indians who are shedding crocodile tears here were the same ones justifying attacks on mosques in Britain/US because it is "understandable backlash".

Violence must be abjured ...wherever it occurs ...whenever it occurs....whatever is the reason that leads to it ....
I am sorry if any Indians have done that ...

 

[Indo-guy]

Egypt has been badly messed up. The main problem is the difficulty introducing democracy to people who simply don't get it, especially in this time(indians don't get it either but we have grown accustomed to it). Everybody wants everything yesterday, they simply think protests are a substitute for governance. Elections have no sanctity and they want democracy.......... My own opinion has always been that democracy works best & probably only in secular countries. If the constitution is messed up, everything that follows is likely to be equally messed up. Egypt should have had a constitution that was secular and then even the MB would have been allowed to govern but with caveats, any fear of the minority/opposition would have found release in in-built pressure valves in the system itself. Otherwise there is always too much pressure from the core supporters to run with their agenda and too much fear of what might happen in the oposition. It happens in India (right wing hindu groups pressurising the BJP), happens in the U.S. (tea party & religious extremists pressurising the Republican party) but what keeps things moving is the constitution & the courts who are charged with protecting that. Knowing that the constitution will protect your rights prevents widespread panic & the disruptions that will automatically come with it. Egypt lacked that, the MB simply pushed too much on many of the party's core ideas & the resultant backlash was massive because the system had no in-built pressure releasers. Democracy is not just about elections, no idea however much supported by the majority should be rammed down the throats of the opposition. That idea though is from an evolved form of democracy & not always possible even in countries with long experience of it (U.S., India are good examples). Expecting Egypt to manage itself as a democracy without first building institutions was simply a recipe for failure. What has happened now is quite simply a burial of democracy & the start of a long & bitter struggle for power. The MB feels cheated & rightly so. Any challenge to their government must have been made through institutions & not by the mob & army working in tandem. All governments lose support, that is no basis for removing them before their time. Any government that is formed after whatever election in Egypt will face the same truth. A permanent state of revolution is not a recipe for nation building.

Great analysis ....Thanks a million for this post .....

 

[Indo-guy]

My complaint is not so much about the Pope but the fact that this military coup is supported by wealthy businessmen who are Mubarak loyalists. Many of them happen to be Copts, and the media narrative is that Morsi supporters are "Islamists" because that's how you sell your cause to the global media: paint your opponents as "Islamists".

In effect this has turned into a religious war and the blame for putting religion at the center of the debate lies with the Mubarak loyalists controlling the media.

I am learning a lot from you guys about Politics in Egypt...Thanks for good posts, nice analysis ....gives proper insight into mayhem in Egypt