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Some Muslim scholers are saying otherwise like the one i quoted b4
if some thing is clearly prohibited in islam and islamic scholar is saying its right then he is on some other agenda a ngo scholar i would say.
 
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ALLAH says in the Quran who ever doesn't decide according to what ALLAH and his PROPHET SAW have sent they are kafirs and in Secularism you separate religion from state in Islam you can't
Thank you

I do not want to go there

Good luck.
 
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Any one who crosses boundaries set by ALLAH, deserves to be punished in accordance of Allah's Law.

All gays, lesbians, homo's hould be hanged. These are the same sick people who when don't find willing partners, molest innocent children. these persons should be hanged by their genitals till death do them justice. They are sick and anyone who supports them is sick. and sick people in any society make that society sick.
 
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WASHINGTON - A relatively handful of younger gays and lesbians, many educated in the West, seek to foster more acceptance of their sexuality and to carve out an identity, even in a climate of religious conservatism in Pakistan.
According to the New York Times, the group meets irregularly in a simple building among a row of shops here that close in the evening. Drapes cover the windows. Sometimes members watch movies or read poetry. Occasionally, they give a party, dance and drink and let off steam.
Members communicate through an e-mail list and are careful not to jeopardize the location of their meetings. One room is reserved for “crisis situations,” when someone may need a place to hide, most often from her own family.
“The gay scene here is very hush-hush,” said Ali, a member who did not want his full name used. “I wish it was a bit more open, but you make do with what you have.”
But the reality is far more complex, more akin to “don’t ask, don’t tell” than a state-sponsored witch hunt. For a long time, the state’s willful blindness has provided space enough for gays and lesbians. They socialize, organize, date and even live together as couples, though discreetly.
One journalist, in his early 40s, has been living as a gay man in Pakistan for almost two decades. “It’s very easy being gay here, to be honest,” he said, though he and several others interviewed did not want their names used for fear of the social and legal repercussions, the newspaper claimed. “You can live without being hassled about it,” he said, “as long as you are not wearing a pink tutu and running down the street carrying a rainbow flag.”
The reason is that while the notion of homosexuality may be taboo, homosocial, and even homosexual, behavior is common enough. Pakistani society is sharply segregated on gender lines, with taboos about extramarital sex that make it almost harder to conduct a secret heterosexual romance than a homosexual one. Displays of affection between men in public, like hugging and holding hands, are common. “A guy can be with a guy anytime, anywhere, and no one will raise an eyebrow,” the journalist said.
For many in his and previous generations, he said, same-sex attraction was not necessarily an issue because it did not involve questions of identity.
But all the examples of homosexual relations occur within the private sphere, said Hina Jilani, a human rights lawyer and activist for women’s and minority rights. Homoeroticism can be expressed but not named.
“The biggest hurdle,” Ms. Jilani said, “is finding the proper context in which to bring this issue out into the open.”
That is what the gay and lesbian support group in Lahore is slowly seeking to do, even if it still meets in what amounts to near secrecy.
The driving force behind the group comes from two women, ages 30 and 33. They are keenly aware of the oddity that two women, partners no less, have become architects of the modern gay scene in Lahore; if gay and bisexual men barely register in the collective societal consciousness of Pakistan, their female counterparts are even less visible, the newspaper said.
“The organizing came from my personal experience of extreme isolation, the sense of being alone and different,” the 30-year-old said.
She decided that she needed to find others like her in Pakistan. Eight people, mostly the couple’s friends, attended the first meeting in January 2009.
Two months later, the two women formed an activist group they call O. They asked for its full name not to be published because it is registered as a nongovernmental organization with the government, with its true purpose concealed because of the laws against homosexual acts.
O conducts research into lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues, provides legal advice and has helped remove people from difficult family situations, and in one case a foreign-operated prostitution ring. The group has made a conscious decision to focus its efforts on the dynamic of family and building social acceptance and awareness rather than directly tackling legal discrimination.
Their current fight is not to overturn Article 377 of the Pakistan Penal Code, on “Unnatural Offenses,” but to influence parents’ deciding whether or not to shun their gay child. They see this approach as ultimately more productive.
“If you talk about space in Pakistan in terms of milestones that happen in the other parts of the world like pride parades or legal reform or whatever, that’s not going to happen for a long time,” the 33-year-old organizer, who identifies as bisexual, said. “Families making space — that’s what’s important to us right now.” Both women say their families have accepted them, though it was a process.
There are distinct class differences at work here, particularly when it comes to self-definition. Most of those actively involved in fostering the gay and lesbian community in Pakistan, even if they have not been educated abroad, are usually college graduates and are familiar with the evolution of Western thought concerning sexuality. Mostly city-dwellers, they come from families whose parents can afford to send their children to school.
Those who identify themselves as gay here are usually middle and upper middle class, the 33-year-old woman said. “You will get lower middle class or working-class women refusing to call themselves lesbian because that to them is an insult, so they’ll say ‘woman loving woman.’”
While the journalist lives relatively openly as a gay man, and says his immediate family accepts it, he understands that older gays have separated sexuality from identity, and he also recognizes that this approach is changing.
That clash of ideologies was evident last year on June 26, when the American Embassy in Islamabad held its first lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pride celebration. The display of support for gay rights prompted a backlash, setting off demonstrations in Karachi and Lahore, and protesters clashing with the police outside the diplomatic enclave in Islamabad. This year, the embassy said, it held a similar event but did not issue a news release about it.
“It is the policy of the United States government to support and promote equal rights for all human beings,” an embassy spokeswoman, Rian Harris, said by e-mail when asked about the backlash. “We are committed to standing up for these values around the world, including here in Pakistan.”
The event was seen by many in Pakistan’s gay community as detrimental to their cause. The 33-year-old activist strongly believes it was a mistake.
“The damage that the U.S. pride event has done is colossal,” she said, “just in terms of creating an atmosphere of fear that was not there before. The public eye is not what we need right now.”
Despite the hostile climate, both the support group and O continue their work. O is currently researching violence against lesbian, bisexual and transgender Pakistanis.
“In a way, we are just role models for each other,” the 30-year-old said. When she was growing up, she said, she did not know anyone who was gay and she could not imagine such a life.
“For me the whole activism is to create that space in which we can imagine a future for ourselves, and not even imagine but live that future,” she said. “And we are living it. I’m living my own impossibility.”

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The west is still struggling to practice gayism in the open and you want a closed society like Pakistan to do it in days?

it will take a longer period.
 
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Desparate attempts to attackk our culture and islamic identity, the idiots don't understand the positive impact of their negative propaganda. During Russian occupatin of Afghanistan, Afghan TV used to broadcast **** on natinal TV, and look how strongly islamic they have become..
 
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Desparate attempts to attackk our culture and islamic identity, the idiots don't understand the positive impact of their negative propaganda. During Russian occupatin of Afghanistan, Afghan TV used to broadcast **** on natinal TV, and look how strongly islamic they have become..

Prostitution ran rampant(which for free for Talibs)..Executions, Barabaric practices(even shaved your football team)..
Right.. very Islamic.
 
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Zarvan, you still haven't given that verse.
 
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My opinion on this is based on the Quran and Hadith. It is a sin. Moreover, it is one of the major sins. However, there is only one Hadith that refers to a punishment. That is:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done. Sunan Abu Dawud Book #38, Hadith #4447

However, being homosexual isn't a crime. Performing an indecent act is!
 
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Incorrect. Homosexuality is naturally occurring and people have no control over it.

Your theory that it's a "choice" or base on how they are raised is stupid and false. All we need to do is look at the animal kingdom. There is alot of homosexual animals and most don't have half the brain capacity of humans, so that shows it isn't a "Choice"

You are incorrect. It's in text books taught in medical colleges that it was thought previously that homosexuality was a condition BUT now it's established that it's just a life-style choice. NO one is born gay.

There are many ways one could get sexual arousal. If you use a drug for some time you develop craving for it. If you drink coffee often you develop craving, same with alcohol & smoking... these are ALL life-style choices. No one is born druggy or smoker or coffee drinker. Similarly, out of different way to gratify ones sex drives some "CHOOSE" to go for same gender, resorting to it repeatedly they develop a craving. Such craving would be wrongly labelled as being born gay.

Drugs are banned everywhere, even if one has extreme addiction, still cannot do them. Smoking is banned in public places whether sb really needs a smoke or not. Same with gays, even if they have developed craving for this "Lifestyle Choice" that they made at one point, it is illegal in islam.

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Quran:4:16:-اور جو دو مرد تم میں سے بدکاری کریں تو ان کو ایذا دو۔ پھر اگر وہ توبہ کرلیں اور نیکوکار ہوجائیں تو ان کا پیچھا چھوڑ دو۔ بےشک خدا توبہ قبول کرنے والا (اور) مہربان ہے

Details of punishment left for law-makes to decide i.e. un-specified.

Quran:4:15:-مسلمانو تمہاری عورتوں میں جو بدکاری کا ارتکاب کر بیٹھیں ان پر اپنے لوگوں میں سے چار شخصوں کی شہادت لو۔ اگر وہ (ان کی بدکاری کی)گواہی دیں تو ان عورتوں کو گھروں میں بند رکھو یہاں تک کہ موت ان کا کام تمام کردے یا خدا ان کے لئے کوئی اور سبیل (پیدا) کرے


Point to be noted is that such punishment for female homosexuals has been made practically next to impossible by setting condition of 4 male witnesses which accuser will have to present. So that would be impossible at-least in a Muslim land where such things r not done openly as in West. And to my understanding one way of "سبیل (پیدا) کرے" could be someone asking hand of that lady for marriage. etc...!!!
 
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I was browsing through the latest posts:) scrolling down i saw " Homosexuals of Pakistan" and i was like what's the big deal -not interested.but then it hit me-this could be fun:pop: .i bet the very first comment would be bang on target.

may these misguided souls be guided...

And then i Read this...... BULLS EYE :woot:.:lol:

Come on Abu give the guys some slack. just imagine how you would feel if people start calling you "MISGUIDED SOUL" for being STRAIGHT .:wave:
 
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