Holy Defence Military Parade 2014

[Serpentine]

its just a boat bro , we also have 80 + knots running boats for Special forces ( actually our boats reach 90 knots in calm seas)

so nothing to be interested in that I dont also see why need a reverse engineering for a boat sized thing.

Btw our Kangal ( kaan class ) envied US company,which produce similar one , but their drag resistance always hit 50 percent higher than what out Yonca Onuk designed, some alleged they stole the design, Ekber Onuk, owner of Yonca -Onuk directly mentioned,they " stealed " our their hull form.

Have any pics or spec for those 90 knot boats?

 

[haman10]

Have any pics or spec for those 90 knot boats?

yet another BS .

before seraj , the fastest FAC in world was this :

Skjold-class corvettes (skjold means "shield" in Norwegian) are a class of six large, superfast, stealth missile craft in service with the Royal Norwegian Navy. The boats were formerly classed as MTBs (motor torpedo boats) but, from 2009, the Royal Norwegian Navy has described them as corvettes (korvett) because their seaworthiness is seen as comparable to corvettes, and because they do not carry torpedoes. They were built at the Umoe Mandal yard. Although the Skjold class corvettes remain the fastest armed craft in the world with 60 knots (110 km/h), the unarmed Canadian Navy high speed patrol craft hydrofoil prototypeHMCS Bras d'Or attained speeds of over 63 knots (117 km/h).[2] The HMCS Bras d'Or was cancelled and never put into active duty.

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which had 60 knot speed .

there are boats with higher speeds even in iran , but this does not make them an FAC .

an FAC carries radars , missiles , machine guns and sometimes even sonar and torpedo .

 

[T90TankGuy]

Just a question, what makes this parade HOLY?

 

[ANMDT]

Have any pics or spec for those 90 knot boats?

defence.pk/threads/mrtp-22-kangal-a-turkish-concept-against-piracy.76749/

this is an old thread,basically shows the Kangal based on MRTP22 Kaan Class boat. Its rather called to boat because of its size . In brochure its told 85 knots, but its given with 85-90 percentage MCR( machinery continous rate) and the engines installed on these kind boats have designed to run 110 percentage for 1 hour at least . So in Trials , i have experienced ( not by boarding but on shore ) this guy hit to 90 knots,and passed it while all loaded ,in calm water.

So actually this Kangal also a FAC , adding up one missile system isnt a big deal there is a R/C fore gun , which is equipped with stabilized deck,and E/O sensors, also complete radar and E/Warning systems, and accomodation for special force and a deployable RHIB boat on stern.

Calling a boat (actually just a boat ) to be FAC honestly makes it ridilicious , call it just a boat equipped with warfare systems, the original picture you showed ( where british version ) seems to be leisure one, and even design criteria of a leisure and naval boat is completely different. A basic question, british version seems to be a power boat, which has no additional accomodation on it. How can iranian reverse engineered ( basically copied ) version, maintains the same speed,while weight is increased, how did you maintain motion stability at 70+ knots while there is extra added weight on topside. I want to ask,are you sure iranian copy of boat reachs to same speed with britis version

To note it, a FAC is rather called a FAC when its equipped with sophisticated systems, rather than just a basic navigation radar ,and some unguided multi barrel rockets .

yet another BS .

before seraj , the fastest FAC in world was this :

Skjold-class corvettes (skjold means "shield" in Norwegian) are a class of six large, superfast, stealth missile craft in service with the Royal Norwegian Navy. The boats were formerly classed as MTBs (motor torpedo boats) but, from 2009, the Royal Norwegian Navy has described them as corvettes (korvett) because their seaworthiness is seen as comparable to corvettes, and because they do not carry torpedoes. They were built at the Umoe Mandal yard. Although the Skjold class corvettes remain the fastest armed craft in the world with 60 knots (110 km/h), the unarmed Canadian Navy high speed patrol craft hydrofoil prototypeHMCS Bras d'Or attained speeds of over 63 knots (117 km/h).[2] The HMCS Bras d'Or was cancelled and never put into active duty.

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which had 60 knot speed .

there are boats with higher speeds even in iran , but this does not make them an FAC .

an FAC carries radars , missiles , machine guns and sometimes even sonar and torpedo .

i am curious on one point honestly,

if there are faster boats in iran, why dont you just make them FACs , but copy the british one? British one also just a small boat (be honest its a powerboat), isnt this being a dilemma?

Another point, i am curious to see those faster boats bringing wikipedia doesnt make it legal, most of FAC or FIC ( fast intervention ) has a sprinting speed ,and dual cruise speed. Sprinting speeds also has 2 level, one with overloaded engine, one withing 90 MCR.

For turkish type FAC, the requested sprint speed is 60+ knots , 8 harpoon equivalent SSM , 1 of 21 cell RAM , 4 torpedoes , 76 mm foregun , 3D search radar, and surface radar. Size reaches to 60+ meters, and still called to be FAC .

a FAC is sophisticated thing, maybe you need to compare copied british boat ,to the ones you gave withing wikipedia quotation.

 

[haman10]

wikipedia is bad blah blah , i saw him cruising with 90+ knots blah blah .....

do u hear yourself or u r just BSing all over ?

alright , turkey is the most powerful nation on the planet and all the analysts are completely out of their mind for calling seraj the fastest attack boat in the world .

they should ask u since u have " experienced ( not by boarding but on shore ) this guy hit to 90 knots "

such a powerful statement .

US steals your ideas as u said earlier , they copy your designs and shyte :

"Btw our Kangal ( kaan class ) envied US company,which produce similar one , but their drag resistance always hit 50 percent higher than what out Yonca Onuk designed, some alleged they stole the design, Ekber Onuk, owner of Yonca -Onuk directly mentioned,they " stealed " our their hull form"

Source: Holy Defence Military Parade 2014 | Page 2

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Little boat, big danger: how a British-made speedboat has become a weapon in Iran's standoff with the US - Telegraph

Iran's fast attack craft fleet: behind the hyperbole - Naval Technology

Iran's purchase of the British made world-record setting Bladerunner speedboat stirred up increased chatter on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy's (IRGCN) development of a new fast attack craft (FAC) fleet. Simon O. Williams looks beyond the hyperbole to examine FACs in the context of wider developments in Iran's naval arsenal.
Reverse engineering the Bladerunner
"Iran may well have the capabilities to replicate these components and IRGCN leadership claims they've already succeeded."
Manufactured by Ice Marine, the Bladerunner, sold through a structure of international transactions, ended up in Bandar Abbas, Iran's largest port, which houses the IRGCN's headquarters. There, the vessel was dissected, rebuilt and armed with sophisticated weapons systems. Like previous platforms, design analysis from reverse engineering procedures was used to build and commission a fleet of clones capable of executing IRGCN missions in Iran's littoral areas in the Strait of Hormuz.

Questions were raised about Iran's ability to copy the main performance components of the Bladerunner, specifically the twin 1,000 HP Caterpillar C18 inboard engines and Arneson ASD12 surface drives, but technical experts suggest that Iran may well have the capabilities to replicate these components and IRGCN leadership claims they've already succeeded. With these systems, speed alone would offer the vessels a competitive offensive and defensive performance edge, allowing hit-and-run activities to be executed with top-notch manoeuvrability.

Comparing these activities to Iranian operations during parts of the Iran-Iraq War, dubbed the Tanker War, it is evident that the IRGCN has taken modernisation seriously. Their goal is to replace their underperforming Chinese and North Korean vessels with indigenously produced FACs to participate in 'swarm attacks,' a tactic in which waves of small vessels attack a larger slow capital target overwhelming it with small arms / RPG / missile fire, or even ramming it in suicide kamikaze-style attacks. Judging by aesthetics alone, the new fleet emits an air of professionalism as depicted in the box-out comparison.

Arming a faster fleet
These vessels can be outfitted in a variety of configurations, ranging from small arms to cruise missiles. Image analysis reveals that the majority are armed with at least one mounted DShKM 1938 heavy machine gun (12.7×108 mm, slightly larger than .50 cal), as well as 107mm or other similar rocket-launchers.

"These are radar guided anti-ship cruise missiles capable of destroying 1,500-tonne targets and damaging even larger ones."
Iran's missile capabilities continue to grow. In reference to arming FACs, deputy defence minister and head of Iran's Aerospace Organisation, General Mehdi Farah, stated that the country's "missiles have the capability of being launched from vessels with speeds of over 30 knots, and these missiles include Zafar, Nasr, Noor and Qader." These are radar guided anti-ship cruise missiles capable of destroying 1,500-tonne targets and damaging even larger ones.

On top of this, the Iranians have imported Russian Shkval torpedoes and created indigenous clones, which they claim are outfitted on some of their FACs. These torpedoes which travel around 200 knots are a threat as many modern seaborne radar and targeting systems cannot engage surface projectiles at that speed.

Iran has already begun practicing delivery of Chinese made EM series and other devices from FACs in the Caspian in order to avoid further tension in the Gulf. Using these assets together with other conventional systems, Iran bolsters its A2/AD capabilities for control of Hormuz. Deploying mines in the strait would leverage Iran's FAC capabilities, forcing any power to think twice about intervening in the region, let alone transiting the Strait - firstly because of the psychological deterrent of operating in a constricted mined waterway, and second for the expensive, prolonged and dangerous task of post-conflict demining.

 

[raptor22]

Just a question, what makes this parade HOLY?

The parade is held annually to mark Holy Defense Week, in memorial of begging of 8 years war btw Iran and Iraq on Sep.22 1980 aka "Imposed war" , "Holly defence" and "8 years" war and to commemorate those who martyred during this War.

The war has been titled "Holly" 'cause :

1. We didn't start the war we were not aggressor, simply we defended ourselves.
2. We were oppressed and attacked by those whom are considered as enemies of humanity.
3. We were alone in this battle while our foe was supported by both supper powers of the time a weird cooperation that just happened once during cold war, both agreed to arm Saddam to teeth by everything in their hands from fighter jets to chemical weapons , political and intelligence supports and not to mention billions of petrol $ pumped by corrupted Arab monarchies and dictators in the region to bring this nation to its knees..
4. It is story of a nation and its brave men and women whom fought and sacrificed their lives for sovereignty , independence , security and values of this country.
5. Causes of our revolution which were justice and freedom.

 

[xenon54 out]

wikipedia is bad blah blah , i saw him cruising with 90+ knots blah blah .....

do u hear yourself or u r just BSing all over ?

alright , turkey is the most powerful nation on the planet and all the analysts are completely out of their mind for calling seraj the fastest attack boat in the world .

they should ask u since u have " experienced ( not by boarding but on shore ) this guy hit to 90 knots "

such a powerful statement .

US steals your ideas as u said earlier , they copy your designs and shyte :

"Btw our Kangal ( kaan class ) envied US company,which produce similar one , but their drag resistance always hit 50 percent higher than what out Yonca Onuk designed, some alleged they stole the design, Ekber Onuk, owner of Yonca -Onuk directly mentioned,they " stealed " our their hull form"

Source: Holy Defence Military Parade 2014 | Page 2

================================================

Little boat, big danger: how a British-made speedboat has become a weapon in Iran's standoff with the US - Telegraph

Iran's fast attack craft fleet: behind the hyperbole - Naval Technology

Iran's purchase of the British made world-record setting Bladerunner speedboat stirred up increased chatter on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy's (IRGCN) development of a new fast attack craft (FAC) fleet. Simon O. Williams looks beyond the hyperbole to examine FACs in the context of wider developments in Iran's naval arsenal.
Reverse engineering the Bladerunner
"Iran may well have the capabilities to replicate these components and IRGCN leadership claims they've already succeeded."
Manufactured by Ice Marine, the Bladerunner, sold through a structure of international transactions, ended up in Bandar Abbas, Iran's largest port, which houses the IRGCN's headquarters. There, the vessel was dissected, rebuilt and armed with sophisticated weapons systems. Like previous platforms, design analysis from reverse engineering procedures was used to build and commission a fleet of clones capable of executing IRGCN missions in Iran's littoral areas in the Strait of Hormuz.

Questions were raised about Iran's ability to copy the main performance components of the Bladerunner, specifically the twin 1,000 HP Caterpillar C18 inboard engines and Arneson ASD12 surface drives, but technical experts suggest that Iran may well have the capabilities to replicate these components and IRGCN leadership claims they've already succeeded. With these systems, speed alone would offer the vessels a competitive offensive and defensive performance edge, allowing hit-and-run activities to be executed with top-notch manoeuvrability.

Comparing these activities to Iranian operations during parts of the Iran-Iraq War, dubbed the Tanker War, it is evident that the IRGCN has taken modernisation seriously. Their goal is to replace their underperforming Chinese and North Korean vessels with indigenously produced FACs to participate in 'swarm attacks,' a tactic in which waves of small vessels attack a larger slow capital target overwhelming it with small arms / RPG / missile fire, or even ramming it in suicide kamikaze-style attacks. Judging by aesthetics alone, the new fleet emits an air of professionalism as depicted in the box-out comparison.

Arming a faster fleet
These vessels can be outfitted in a variety of configurations, ranging from small arms to cruise missiles. Image analysis reveals that the majority are armed with at least one mounted DShKM 1938 heavy machine gun (12.7×108 mm, slightly larger than .50 cal), as well as 107mm or other similar rocket-launchers.

"These are radar guided anti-ship cruise missiles capable of destroying 1,500-tonne targets and damaging even larger ones."
Iran's missile capabilities continue to grow. In reference to arming FACs, deputy defence minister and head of Iran's Aerospace Organisation, General Mehdi Farah, stated that the country's "missiles have the capability of being launched from vessels with speeds of over 30 knots, and these missiles include Zafar, Nasr, Noor and Qader." These are radar guided anti-ship cruise missiles capable of destroying 1,500-tonne targets and damaging even larger ones.

On top of this, the Iranians have imported Russian Shkval torpedoes and created indigenous clones, which they claim are outfitted on some of their FACs. These torpedoes which travel around 200 knots are a threat as many modern seaborne radar and targeting systems cannot engage surface projectiles at that speed.

Iran has already begun practicing delivery of Chinese made EM series and other devices from FACs in the Caspian in order to avoid further tension in the Gulf. Using these assets together with other conventional systems, Iran bolsters its A2/AD capabilities for control of Hormuz. Deploying mines in the strait would leverage Iran's FAC capabilities, forcing any power to think twice about intervening in the region, let alone transiting the Strait - firstly because of the psychological deterrent of operating in a constricted mined waterway, and second for the expensive, prolonged and dangerous task of post-conflict demining.

Do you need to overreact like this every time?

 

[SALMAN F]

Just a question, what makes this parade HOLY?

Holy defence means the iran Iraq war this parade for the war anniversary

 

[ANMDT]

Do you need to overreact like this every time?

i dont even need to answer, he brings the reply for himself in his message , none of turkish actually claims to be greatest most powerfull nation, but its usually who claims themselves to be greatest nation is well known in this forum

 

[ANMDT]

they should ask u since u have " experienced ( not by boarding but on shore ) this guy hit to 90 knots "

During trials/ tests of boat there are 3 teams at least , 2 on board craft , 1 on extra vessel , 1 on shore , all the teams watch and observe the data, related to engine, structural loads and motion , i took place on the shore ( additionally, that craft is officially claimed to be have 85 knots speed)

alright , turkey is the most powerful nation on the planet and all the analysts are completely out of their mind for calling seraj the fastest attack boat in the world .

None of Turkish ( almost all ) doesnt claim to most powerfull nation, eventhough we know what we are ,and we know our abilities so we even can criticize ourselves, while i see you are lacking on this, cant turn the pointing on yourself , World calling a boat to be FAC because you classified it to be FAC thats all about this.

"Btw our Kangal ( kaan class ) envied US company,which produce similar one , but their drag resistance always hit 50 percent higher than what out Yonca Onuk designed, some alleged they stole the design, Ekber Onuk, owner of Yonca -Onuk directly mentioned,they " stealed " our their hull form"

This was a serıous statement, yeah they stole hull form of Kangal , They just get rid of from time and money to spend on R&D . And also this statement is given by owner of company, should note that his company imports both naval and civilian boats to all over world .

Aside from all i havent given a statement about Iran's FAC abilities , meanwhile i just mentioned about why that boat isnt a real FAC but just a armed boat. And i also mentioned its doubtfull to reach same performance as british version because of several reasons. I know well about Iran's FAC abililties, how forming the flotillas and attack / defence shemes. I just critisize this bladerunner or whatever is that in Iran's navy , also the examples i have given just to show why itsnt a real FAC. If you call everything with a muniation to be FAC then there are thousands of them around world.
Additionally , You mentioned it to be fastest FAC and compared some other vessels to that craft , while the ones you shown in vikipedia was quite larger and a real FAC not boat, so then i give examply of Turkish FAC.

Will be gratefull if you can criticize your own nation's armed products.
Also are you seriously getting proud of copying and reverse engineering of other products in the world , all the examples you given just a copy of other product; while giving zero effort to design something but just copy ? i see this from your quotation.

 

[haman10]

you keep talking and talking , i dont see any credible sources to your claims

ppl dont consider what u "saw" credible :

During trials/ tests of boat there are 3 teams at least , 2 on board craft , 1 on extra vessel , 1 on shore , all the teams watch and observe the data, related to engine, structural loads and motion , i took place on the shore ( additionally, that craft is officially claimed to be have 85 knots speed)

what are u babbling about ? what does this even mean ?

meanwhile , everyone on this planet knows that seraj is the fastest FAC as i brought the sources to my claim .

also , pls work on your english skills mate . no one can read what u wrote

 

[ANMDT]

you keep talking and talking , i dont see any credible sources to your claims

ppl dont consider what u "saw" credible :


what are u babbling about ? what does this even mean ?

meanwhile , everyone on this planet knows that seraj is the fastest FAC as i brought the sources to my claim .

also , pls work on your english skills mate . no one can read what u wrote

There are people who knows who i am and will consider my sentences credible, it doesnt rely only on your opinion and decision.

i am babbling about a usual test of boat.

And my english might be that bad, because giving answers to you in a short time , you might have enough large time to write, but i do not.

 

[Abii]

There are people who knows who i am and will consider my sentences credible, it doesnt rely only on your opinion and decision.

i am babbling about a usual test of boat.

And my english might be that bad, because giving answers to you in a short time , you might have enough large time to write, but i do not.

You don't need to prove anything to these guys. When was the last time anyone on this planet took the mullah army serious? Let them be.

 

[Hack-Hook]

During trials/ tests of boat there are 3 teams at least , 2 on board craft , 1 on extra vessel , 1 on shore , all the teams watch and observe the data, related to engine, structural loads and motion , i took place on the shore ( additionally, that craft is officially claimed to be have 85 knots speed)



None of Turkish ( almost all ) doesnt claim to most powerfull nation, eventhough we know what we are ,and we know our abilities so we even can criticize ourselves, while i see you are lacking on this, cant turn the pointing on yourself , World calling a boat to be FAC because you classified it to be FAC thats all about this.



This was a serıous statement, yeah they stole hull form of Kangal , They just get rid of from time and money to spend on R&D . And also this statement is given by owner of company, should note that his company imports both naval and civilian boats to all over world .

Aside from all i havent given a statement about Iran's FAC abilities , meanwhile i just mentioned about why that boat isnt a real FAC but just a armed boat. And i also mentioned its doubtfull to reach same performance as british version because of several reasons. I know well about Iran's FAC abililties, how forming the flotillas and attack / defence shemes. I just critisize this bladerunner or whatever is that in Iran's navy , also the examples i have given just to show why itsnt a real FAC. If you call everything with a muniation to be FAC then there are thousands of them around world.
Additionally , You mentioned it to be fastest FAC and compared some other vessels to that craft , while the ones you shown in vikipedia was quite larger and a real FAC not boat, so then i give examply of Turkish FAC.

Will be gratefull if you can criticize your own nation's armed products.
Also are you seriously getting proud of copying and reverse engineering of other products in the world , all the examples you given just a copy of other product; while giving zero effort to design something but just copy ? i see this from your quotation.

Well honestly I'm not that versed in Turkish military boats or boats in general but this source
kangal | Search Results |

claim 70 knot in calm seas and 50+ knot when sea is not calm and it depend on engine configuration

 

[Hack-Hook]

You don't need to prove anything to these guys. When was the last time anyone on this planet took the mullah army serious? Let them be.

interesting . but I wonder why if nobody took mollahs army seriously they are ready to attack anybody but mullahs !?
After all they neither have an army nor even support of 1% of Iranian and every Iranian is passionately waiting for liberating army of European and USA to come and free them from the tyranny of mullahs . or you don't believe so ?