Hollande asked Netanyahu not to attend Paris memorial march : Haaretz

[Jungibaaz]

You might want to consider the very real possibility -- but more like probability -- that after the terrorist attack on France there will be more, and that for those liberal Europeans, some may not be so liberal later, and some will be ignored.

I completely agree. This entire event and others like it will have a huge impact on moderates. I expect an already growing right wing in Europe to become even stronger. But the rise of the right isn't always in the interests of European Jews as it may be for Israelis.

I'm not referring to this event or others like it. In general, the young Jewish population in the West is not as accepting of Israel's role in conflicts as the older generation are, though that could be a the result of them getting older and finding something in their heritage, but I'm quite certain the new form of media is going to play a huge role, Israel understands this, and it's why they literally employ people to troll on the web on issues where the Israel-Palestine discussion is being had.

 

[A.M.]

This article provides a little more detail and is actually pretty funny.





Benjamin Netanyahu is facing a storm of criticism because of his "embarrassing" behaviour at Sunday's mass solidarity march in Paris and his calls for French Jews to emigrate to Israel following last week's deadly attack on a Jewish supermarket.

The Israeli prime minister was seen elbowing his way to the front of the parade of world leaders and also unsuccessfully tried to jump to the head of queue waiting for a bus that was to take guests to the starting point.

After he failed to get on the first bus, a nervous-looking Mr Netanyahu – accompanied by what appeared to be an Israeli security team – was shown on French video footage waiting for the next one.

During the march, Mr Netanyahu waved to the crowd in response to a pro-Israel shout from a woman spectator, a gesture some Israeli commentators deemed to be at odds with the sombre mood.

The alleged gaffes were further compounded by reports that the Israeli leader attended the event in defiance of a request to stay away from Francois Hollande, the French president, who reportedly did not want it overshadowed by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Mr Netanyahu initially agreed but changed his mind after learning that two political rivals – Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, and Naftali Bennett, the industry minister and leader of the Jewish Home party – were going.

His insistence on attending prompted the French authorities to invite Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority leader, as a counterweight, reported the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

The most serious criticism has been levelled at his call for members of France's Jewish community – the largest in Europe – to move to Israel for safety reasons following last Friday's attack on a kosher supermarket in Paris, in which four Jews were killed.

Even before his plane departed for Paris, Mr Netanyahu issued a statement saying that he planned to tell French Jews who wanted to emigrate to Israel that they would be "welcomed with open arms".

That is said to have offended Mr Hollande, who attended a rally at Paris' grand synagogue on Sunday night with Mr Netanyahu but pointedly left before the Israeli leader addressed the audience.

Mr Netanyahu's appeal for emigration, echoed by some other Israeli politicians, was criticised by European Jewish leaders and – implicitly – by Reuven Rivlin, the Israeli president, who said aliyah (emigration) should be born out of choice and Zionist feelings rather than fear of anti-Semitism.

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, director of the European Jewish Association, said that instead of calling for Jews to emigrate after anti-Semitic attacks, Israel should "employ every diplomatic and informational means at its disposal to strengthen the safety of Jewish life in Europe", an Israeli website reported.

Ben Caspit, an experienced Israeli commentator, mocked Mr Netanyahu's attempt to portray Israel as a safe haven. "Are the Jews of Paris more threatened than us?," he asked in Maariv newspaper. "All of Israel's territory is targeted by thousands of accurate and heavy rockets and missiles that could be fired on our heads in the next flare-up with Hizbullah. Just this past summer, Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv!) was a city that was bombed for 50 days. So the French should flee here?"

 

[gambit]

I completely agree. This entire event and others like it will have a huge impact on moderates. I expect an already growing right wing in Europe to become even stronger. But the rise of the right isn't always in the interests of European Jews as it may be for Israelis.

For the short term, this is an opportunity for European Jews to reassess their place in the greater community that is Europe. Whether it is 'the Right' or 'the Jews or just 'regular' Europeans, everyone knows that it is only a matter of time that Jews and non-Jews will be attacked again. Whatever moral distaste 'the Right' may create because of what they are, everyone will believe they are facing a common threat. Then as this conflict progresses, some liberal Jews will not be so liberal.

I'm not referring to this event or others like it. In general, the young Jewish population in the West is not as accepting of Israel's role in conflicts as the older generation are, though that could be a the result of them getting older and finding something in their heritage,...

After this event, and inevitably more like it, many of them will change their minds. This is going to be a win for Israel and more conservative Jews, and a loss, at least on the PR front, for the Muslims. The IRA finally renounced violence as a tool for their cause. I do not expect Al-Qaeda and its kind to do the same, but if public perception is one half of a conflict, sympathy to the Jews and Israel will increase.

...but I'm quite certain the new form of media is going to play a huge role, Israel understands this, and it's why they literally employ people to troll on the web on issues where the Israel-Palestine discussion is being had.

No different for the Muslims.

 

[rubyjackass]

Well Bibi is good at such media tactics. He swatted down Obama like a fly and then hardballed US into kicking UNSC's sss for Israel. And now this:

'Israel is your home' Benjamin Netanyahu tells French Jews after Charlie Hebdo rally - People - News - The Independent

 

[Jungibaaz]

For the short term, this is an opportunity for European Jews to reassess their place in the greater community that is Europe. Whether it is 'the Right' or 'the Jews or just 'regular' Europeans, everyone knows that it is only a matter of time that Jews and non-Jews will be attacked again. Whatever moral distaste 'the Right' may create because of what they are, everyone will believe they are facing a common threat. Then as this conflict progresses, some liberal Jews will not be so liberal.

I can agree that, mainstream politics can overtime be shifted to incorporate any sort of ideology, or only certain aspects. And if trends continue anti-Islamic rhetoric could be more acceptable in the mainstream than it is today. But that is largely independent of the perception of Israel by European Jews. Sure there's an undeniable conflict between Israel and it's Muslim neighbours, and that less of an acceptance of Islam in Europe certainly may help Israel's cause. However, the changing attitudes thing I was talking about is caused by a whole host of other reasons. Mainstream media doesn't always present the Palestinian story as well as it does the Israeli story, less so in the UK, more-so in the US, but the ever-growing social media platforms are rife with Israel bashing everytime the conflict heats up, Muslim/Palestinian bashing also occurs but to a lesser extent since it isn't as acceptable in mainstream politics, which goes back to what I was saying earlier, attacks like the Paris one, can really very quickly change perception, anyway I digress... The sympathy for Israel is also becoming less apparent because of the right wing governments of Israel, it's not unknown to people that the Israeli likud party is right wing, whereas most European mainstream politics tends to be more centre left and liberal, European Jews even more-so tend to be liberal.

After this event, and inevitably more like it, many of them will change their minds. This is going to be a win for Israel and more conservative Jews, and a loss, at least on the PR front, for the Muslims. The IRA finally renounced violence as a tool for their cause. I do not expect Al-Qaeda and its kind to do the same, but if public perception is one half of a conflict, sympathy to the Jews and Israel will increase.

I agree. In fact, this isn't the first case of this happening. I've said on this very forum, that since summer of 2013, I noticed a huge shift in public attitude towards Islam, Muslims and all their problems. I made a thread and several posts about it on this very forum.

In fact, an acquaintance of mine at a university in South England who was doing some Post Graduate Psychology study called me up a few months ago and said she became suddenly interested in instances of Islamophobia, it's prevalence in real life and on the internet. This wasn't a Muslims friend, she is White British, and must have saw some sort of trend or change that got her interested.

No different for the Muslims.

I haven't yet seen Muslims employing people to troll social media, anything on the order of the Israeli troll machine.
Note, there is a difference between Muslim kids acting independently on social media to voice their daft opinions, Jews and Israelis voicing their opinions and the organized trolling of Hasbara types and the JIDF.

I've seen documents drawn up by Israelis for internet trolls, whereby every criticism of Israel is given a 'plausible' response and some other diversion tactics to go along with it. It sounds weird, I didn't believe all this until I started seeing it for myself.

 

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