HIT new project of Armored Fighting Vehicle

[Signalian]

Army can get all politicians together and get law on extension passed but can't get these for them. If you want make excuses you can keep doing but trust me if Army had vision they would have gotten them long ago. It's not MOI fault. Even Army is travelling in Hilux in areas which keep facing IED and Gun and Grenade attacks.

FC bears the brunt of action always, while Army has plenty of armored vehicles to send troops into combat. Army can also send in gunships and air assault forces when required, but FC cannot.

HIT made an up armored version of land rover defender, then Dragoon and Mohafiz are on the list too. MOI can give orders to HIT to produce these vehicles for FC. The weight of COIN has shifted to FC or it will shift entirely to FC eventually. This is why FC was expanded in size, upgraded in weaponry and trained by PA SF.

Honestly, Army is not stopping MOI from buying up-armored vehicles from HIT. You must have seen Mohafiz vehicles in use in videos of attacks on FC.

Bhai why you are angry we need our troops to travel with safety is their any harm

He is angry since he wants E/O/IR sensors and C-IED devices on FC vehicles or carried by FC troops. Maybe he wants an eaves-dropping equipment along with jammers deployed by FC also.

 

[Great Janjua]

light fast ATGM 4x4 which constantly harasses enemy formations.

This concept has been effectively proven against Russian armour in Ukraine very effective. Ukrainian "LATs" are based on buggies and other light small nimble vehicles heck I saw ATGMs on ATVs.

 

[Signalian]

This concept has been effectively proven against Russian armour in Ukraine very effective. Ukrainian "LATs" are based on buggies and other light small nimble vehicles heck I saw ATGMs on ATVs.

Pakistan cannot match India in number of tanks, but Pakistan can deploy a massive numbers of ATGM equipped 4x4 which can out maneuver Indian tanks and keep hitting Indian support convoys. These 4x4 are easy on maintenance and good on fuel in covering long distances. They are cheaper so losses can be replaced easily. Extremely useful as screening and ambushing force.

 

[Tipu7]

FC bears the brunt of action always, while Army has plenty of armored vehicles to send troops into combat. Army can also send in gunships and air assault forces when required, but FC cannot.

HIT made an up armored version of land rover defender, then Dragoon and Mohafiz are on the list too. MOI can give orders to HIT to produce these vehicles for FC. The weight of COIN has shifted to FC or it will shift entirely to FC eventually. This is why FC was expanded in size, upgraded in weaponry and trained by PA SF.

Honestly, Army is not stopping MOI from buying up-armored vehicles from HIT. You must have seen Mohafiz vehicles in use in videos of attacks on FC.


He is angry since he wants E/O/IR sensors and C-IED devices on FC vehicles or carried by FC troops. Maybe he wants an eaves-dropping equipment along with jammers deployed by FC also.

Don't know about other projects, but HIT is working on an "armored" version of pickup truck.
Something like this ...
@Zarvan will love this.

 

[Signalian]

Don't know about other projects, but HIT is working on an "armored" version of pickup truck.
Something like this ...

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ARMOURED LAND ROVER​

DEFENDER 110 (B6 LEVEL PROTECTION)​

Commercially available Land Rover Defender 110 has been Discrete Armoured with B6 Protection Level. The design will not alter the outlook of vehicle but ballistically shield the driver and passenger compartment together. The protection has been designed and fabricated by using the best quality martials with CEN B6 level.

 

[Great Janjua]

Don't know about other projects, but HIT is working on an "armored" version of pickup truck.
Something like this ...
@Zarvan will love this.

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This so-called project was started around the end of 2019 yet we still see troops in unarmoured hiluxes HIT is only good at experimenting yeh banate kuch be nhi first they were experimenting with armoured side panels for troops at the back on an emergency basis then the armoured cabin yeh bas puddu bana rahe hai sab ko.

HIT needs joint ventures with Turkey and needs some management courses from the Turks as well competent people will only save HIT not pocket fillers. Every other day HIT has some stupid project with funds being wasted why not do joint ventures with friendly countries who will happily improve our knowledge and workmanship.

Pakistan cannot match India in number of tanks, but Pakistan can deploy a massive numbers of ATGM equipped 4x4 which can out maneuver Indian tanks and keep hitting Indian support convoys. These 4x4 are easy on maintenance and good on fuel in covering long distances. They are cheaper so losses can be replaced easily. Extremely useful as screening and ambushing force.

I hope the army does not completely abandon the whole light and nimble LAT idea last I heard they were moving them onto m-113s.

 

[Black Bird]

All paramilitary forces should be under one command with one name like National Guards or something. And should be provided latest equipment. This is a lame excuse that we don't have funds actually we don't care about foot soldiers. We are loosing experienced soldiers and replacing them with new recruits. That's it. We have funds for fighters, tanks and warships but we don't have funds for MRAP. Army generals are commanding FC and Lavies so who will ask fund from MOI did they ask them for? After every few years we listen that HIT is working on a new project but what about the previous one? Is it just a tactics to get funds for corruption?
I think that after successful attacks on forces and killing them will boost the terrorists moral. That's why they are attacking again and again but if our guys are well protected and have proper backup they will suppress their attacks which eventually affect the terrorist. But i feel that those rag tag terrorists have better plan then our well educated generals.

 

[Great Janjua]

All paramilitary forces should be under one command with one name like National Guards or something. And should be provided latest equipment. This is a lame excuse that we don't have funds actually we don't care about foot soldiers. We are loosing experienced soldiers and replacing them with new recruits. That's it. We have funds for fighters, tanks and warships but we don't have funds for MRAP. Army generals are commanding FC and Lavies so who will ask fund from MOI did they ask them for? After every few years we listen that HIT is working on a new project but what about the previous one? Is it just a tactics to get funds for corruption?
I think that after successful attacks on forces and killing them will boost the terrorists moral. That's why they are attacking again and again but if our guys are well protected and have proper backup they will suppress their attacks which eventually affect the terrorist. But i feel that those rag tag terrorists have better plan then our well educated generals.

National Guard will be the best solution it will greatly help improve the synergy between LEAs across the country but MOI is the least bothered about such measures whenever any party takes Gov seat they always put retards in such positions who are only good at scratching their crotch.

 

[Black Bird]

National Guard will be the best solution it will greatly help improve the synergy between LEAs across the country but MOI is the least bothered about such measures whenever any party takes Gov seat they always put retards in such positions who are only good at scratching their crotch.

Sir, ministers are not qualified in their domains and especially MOI is only used to crush other political parties thats why i ghink that as these paramilitary forces are commanding by army should be part of army. They can use them in better way then MOI. IF any general make a single call, MOI will issue funds for equipment.
FC and army should stop road patrolling and start using drones

 

[Raja Porus]

Pakistan cannot match India in number of tanks, but Pakistan can deploy a massive numbers of ATGM equipped 4x4 which can out maneuver Indian tanks and keep hitting Indian support convoys. These 4x4 are easy on maintenance and good on fuel in covering long distances. They are cheaper so losses can be replaced easily. Extremely useful as screening and ambushing force.

This is what I pointed out here:

The question that puzzles me is that why have the LATs( apart from where 4×4 can not be used) been equipped with Apcs? Don't they lose their sole purpose of being small light and fast troops which can still pack a punch and wreak havoc. With the large M113s they are no more small and fast. They can't place ambushes as their signature would be greater. Moreover tanks can recognize and engage tank sized targets at a greater range than it can target infantry and jeeps.The only use of m113s in LATs would be that they would provide some protection against smaal arms fire while carrying the same number of launcher but it compromises the tactical advantage of them. The only difference bw HATs and LATs is of the atgm used which seems to be ridiculous. Infact the word "light" seems to be out of place.

I think that LATs should be requipped with 4×4 trucks with atgms/MGs instead of APCs. What's the difference between LATs and HATs except for the atgm the use. If that is not possible then the designation of LAT should be dissolved as it is the carrier and not the atgm that is the difference(like heavy and light cavalry, historically). Lats have a different operational role then HATs. With APCs LATs will provide a greater target at a greater range for the enemy's tank/helis will also attract artillery. Larger detection range and heavier weight means that they will not be able to perform the role they are usually expected to perform i.e screening,hit and run,shoot and scoot and most importantly will not be able to set up ambushes as quickly as they will be if equipped with 4x4s. If they require much time to build/find firing positions then the whole concept of LATs is flawed. If we see 65/71 we see that the sudden fast paced strikes of LATs have often been instrumental in protecting strategically/tactically important position/areas because of thy require less time e.g 13FF at Sialkot (if I'm not wrong). Also our APCs do not provide much protection except for artillery shrapnels and small arms fire, moreover, unlike MIBs, APCs of LATs would have to get in direct contact with enemy forces.
For HATs I propose that we move to AFT-10 which will be true "heavy" AT.
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[Signalian]

I hope the army does not completely abandon the whole light and nimble LAT idea last I heard they were moving them onto m-113s.

This is what I pointed out here:

Perhaps the plan could be to motorize regular infantry battalions.

 

[Super Falcon]

Turkish options are really good, some of the variants have been tested in combat also.

LAT's use M-113 now, although I am always in favor of a light fast ATGM 4x4 which constantly harasses enemy formations.

sir i do agree with you turkish systems should be given priority we should modernize our troops tranportation at new lever light tacticl vehicles are most important here IFV and AFV pakistan army never used in number which can be used in different roles

light tacticl vehicles are best fot anti air short range and anti tank missions for hit and run mission the can be very important in kashmir region they can eaily hide under the trees and very lethal against tanks

Turkish options are really good, some of the variants have been tested in combat also.

LAT's use M-113 now, although I am always in favor of a light fast ATGM 4x4 which constantly harasses enemy formations.

which systems you think should be bought from turkey immediately yoruk 4x4 dont u think are great

 

[Super Falcon]

Don't know about other projects, but HIT is working on an "armored" version of pickup truck.
Something like this ...
@Zarvan will love this.

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how is it a armoured easily even a 9mm bullet can hit a trucks driver and passanger patetic thinking just making armoured part on back of truck atleast lever 3 protection minimun needed in such light vehicles they are standard

 

[Super Falcon]

ARMOURED LAND ROVER​

DEFENDER 110 (B6 LEVEL PROTECTION)​

Commercially available Land Rover Defender 110 has been Discrete Armoured with B6 Protection Level. The design will not alter the outlook of vehicle but ballistically shield the driver and passenger compartment together. The protection has been designed and fabricated by using the best quality martials with CEN B6 level.
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Land rover is a entitiy of indian TATA group so we are directly putting money on this vehicle to indian pockets

 

[farooqbhai007]

He is angry since he wants E/O/IR sensors and C-IED devices on FC vehicles or carried by FC troops. Maybe he wants an eaves-dropping equipment along with jammers deployed by FC also.

Aren't they already ? I for sure remember seeing a FC KPK convoy some 2 years back of 3 or 4 unmarked Mitsubishi LC200s (2010model ones) with SIGINT antennas fitted on them. FC dudes were sitting inside.

Land rover is a entitiy of indian TATA group so we are directly putting money on this vehicle to indian pockets

Utter retardation . PA bought land rover assembly contract from a Turkish company with first batch imported from turkey while followup batches were locally built. Get your facts right.