History of Afghan betrayal , fraud and oppression on Pashtuns

[hamilcar of carthage]

bro, back your claim with providing some substance & enlighten me where I have distorted the facts.

it's very easy to refute someone's genuine research but very hard to provide a rebuttal.



The myth of Invincible Afghans! There was no such animal in history. Beginning with Cyrus the Great and right through that great parade of invaders running down to the Mughals, the Afghan meekly submitted or were beaten into the dirt by outsiders.

The only time the Afghans ever stood up to an invader was against the British forces in the First Afghan War. To hide their discomfiture upon their ignominious defeat, the Brits invented the myth of invincible Afghan, reinforcing the belief first created by Farishta. Ever since that time, every idiot writer pretending to be a historian has referred to Afghanistan as the Graveyard of Empires. If that were true, if the Afghans really had ever been capable of defeating an outsider, the Achaemenians, Greeks, Scythians, Parthians, Kushans, Sassanians, Turks, Mongols, Mughals, et al, having been trounced in that mythical Graveyard of Empires would never have made it to India. Not only did all those outsiders make it to India, but they also held Afghanistan under their yoke. Another common fallacious belief is that the Ghaznavids, Ghorids, and the Sultanate kings were all Pakhtuns. This is the greatest falsehood ever fed to us. They were not Pakhtuns; they were, one and all, Turks. The originator of this idiotic fallacy is one Abul Qasim Farishta who wrote his Tarikh e Farishta in the middle years of the 17th century during the Mughal reign. He repeatedly referred to, and erroneously, of course, the Turks as Afghans. Once that happened, every ignorant body began to believe that all those so-called conquerors were indeed Afghans.

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what is your proof that your are asking me. First, if you were a pashtoon, you would not be talking about this. Either you have inferiority complex, that your ancestor were ruled by some pashtoon or afghan people and you are flaring about that now. your thesis means nothing, yet the pashtoon span from punjab to herat.

 

[Max]

Dehli and West UP will be annexed into Pakistan. InshALLAH

Leave something for vassal states. i don't want them in my empire.

 

[jamahir]

And, no - saying regrettable won't change the fact that those people were murdered.

I also said this - "But again, the proof of such is lacking." Why ignore this part ? Do you really think the 30 countries of NATO plus their GCC allies invaded Libya to bring democracy ?

And what is your objection to Direct Democracy Socialism in theory ? If you think, after read the linked material, that it was not implemented well in Libya then speak for its application in India. Is the Aam Aadmi Party not speaking of decentralized governance which is similar to the one I am talking of ?

 

[hamilcar of carthage]

Yo bro don't make me laugh. Pashtuns were defeated by Ranjit Singh numerous times. Did you forget the Pashtun Durrani empire? It was Sikhs under Ranjit Sindh who destroyed it. Peshawar and even parts of Afghanistan was under Sikh rule.

You will find Sikhs in Afghanistan too. They are descendants of Sikhs who went there during Ranjit Singh's time.

You guys can deny, it won't change the truth.

Funny when a nepali bangladeshi talks about another nation, that has never seen their faces. you cant prove anything, maybe sikhs travelled from punjab.

 

[Naofumi]

I also said this - "But again, the proof of such is lacking." Why ignore this part ? Do you really think the 30 countries of NATO plus their GCC allies invaded Libya to bring democracy ?

And what is your objection to Direct Democracy Socialism in theory ? If you think, after read the linked material, that it was not implemented well in Libya then speak for its application in India. Is the Aam Aadmi Party not speaking of decentralized governance which is similar to the one I am talking of ?

End it here, I am getting disinterested. Some other day.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Barakzai kings of Afghanistan were indeed traitors to Afghans and Pakistanis both. They even gave up land in modern KPK and former FATA to fund their lifestyles with British stipends.

When Pakistan was to be made, they squandered the opportunity.

Muslims from Pakistan and India even made hijrat to Afghanistan to escape British persecution, but the Afghan Barakzai dynasty were not receptive to them.

Then when Communists came into power in Afghanistan, they pushed USSR agenda and begin to antagonize Pakistan even more. From this era is where NDS was born. They sought to create internal divisions in Pakistan, but failed, eventually Gen Zia took the fight to them directly and ended both Communists of Afghanistan and their USSR sponsor.

That is secular, nationalist, ethnic supremacist Afghans of the present Afghan government. They have no value for Islam or Muslim solidarity. They even hate Pukhtoons of Pakistan.

Taliban is an altogether different government and mindset.

I noticed your list end around Afghan Jihad era.

Probably you can add some more about current Afghan government from 2002 to now, with Indian involvement.

However, be glad, Taliban government is coming back. Good days for Pakistan ahead.



They live on these kinds of propaganda to further their notions, either secular, liberal, ethnic racism, or pro-Indian, pro-American, pro-Iran mindsets.

It is in Pakistan's best interest to have a friendly Afghan government which can block foreign proxies. Our new Afghan government is much more to our liking and will coordinate foreign policy and trade with us.

What more can we ask for?



I don't know who @Tayyab Zarar Is, he is new.

@Ladyuk You read her posts in other thread.

@Buddhistforlife An Islamophobe, should be banned.

Then there are two Indians and one Karachiite running around with the same agenda to make friction between Pukhtoons and other Pakistanis.

I wish we had more Pukhtoon brothers on this forum to counter this nonsense.

@Psychic @DESERT FIGHTER

We have plenty pf Pashtuns heres:

@farhan_9909 @karakoram @Spring Onion. @ziaulislam And many many others.

 

[Asian.Century]

bro, back your claim with providing some substance & enlighten me where I have distorted the facts.

it's very easy to refute someone's genuine research but very hard to provide a rebuttal.



The myth of Invincible Afghans! There was no such animal in history. Beginning with Cyrus the Great and right through that great parade of invaders running down to the Mughals, the Afghan meekly submitted or were beaten into the dirt by outsiders.

The only time the Afghans ever stood up to an invader was against the British forces in the First Afghan War. To hide their discomfiture upon their ignominious defeat, the Brits invented the myth of invincible Afghan, reinforcing the belief first created by Farishta. Ever since that time, every idiot writer pretending to be a historian has referred to Afghanistan as the Graveyard of Empires. If that were true, if the Afghans really had ever been capable of defeating an outsider, the Achaemenians, Greeks, Scythians, Parthians, Kushans, Sassanians, Turks, Mongols, Mughals, et al, having been trounced in that mythical Graveyard of Empires would never have made it to India. Not only did all those outsiders make it to India, but they also held Afghanistan under their yoke. Another common fallacious belief is that the Ghaznavids, Ghorids, and the Sultanate kings were all Pakhtuns. This is the greatest falsehood ever fed to us. They were not Pakhtuns; they were, one and all, Turks. The originator of this idiotic fallacy is one Abul Qasim Farishta who wrote his Tarikh e Farishta in the middle years of the 17th century during the Mughal reign. He repeatedly referred to, and erroneously, of course, the Turks as Afghans. Once that happened, every ignorant body began to believe that all those so-called conquerors were indeed Afghans.

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @Azadkashmir @Buddhistforlife @hamilcar of carthage @bananarepublic @Crusher @Silverblaze @WarKa DaNG @Ladyuk @halupridol @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Cliftonite @ziaulislam @AsianLion @Pakistani Fighter @Naofumi @

And you forget the Punjabis, Sikhs ruled over half of Afghanistan for decades, Khandahar was part of Punjabi Empire.

Afghanistan has no meaning, no purpose, where as Pakistan has it roots in religion of Islam. Ideological state, thats what Afghans are jealous of.

Afghans and Pashtuns have been united once in history. Other than that it was one ethnic tribe ruling the country Afghanistan.

One can easily conclude in light of the history of these tribesmen that they have only been united once in the 1700s by the great warior Ahmed Shah Durani. Pre and Post Durrani epochs have witnessed that these tribes men have never united.

While tajik tribes and other ethic backgrounds are settled in present day afghanistan, the same country is also home to many Pashtun tribes. In Pakistan, the FATA tribesmen are all Pashtu speaking.

 

[H. Dawary]

what is your proof that your are asking me. First, if you were a pashtoon, you would not be talking about this. Either you have inferiority complex, that your ancestor were ruled by some pashtoon or afghan people and you are flaring about that now. your thesis means nothing, yet the pashtoon span from punjab to herat.

Bro, some people here, not all, have it out against Pashtuns, what did we do them, in history it was a free for all and nations carved out large empires, yet some here have it out just against us... Why? And @Tayyab Zarar has his history wrong I promise you that, I am certain he hasn't read any books, I challenged him to post his sources as I am waiting for him to do it, I have my sources ready and highlighted, but I think he ran away, he probably just went to some website and read some propaganda by someone who hates Pashtuns and just "Copy pasted" that onto this website... I have nothing against some members here, but if they are going to post wrong history then I have to humiliate them as they are posting lies.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

what is your proof that your are asking me. First, if you were a pashtoon, you would not be talking about this. Either you have inferiority complex, that your ancestor were ruled by some pashtoon or afghan people and you are flaring about that now. your thesis means nothing, yet the pashtoon span from punjab to herat.

ruled by some pashtoon

Hahaha. Big Joke. Pashtuns never ruled anyone. Pashtuns even did not have a strong empire of their own. You Pashtuns used work as mercenaries or paid soldiers for Central Asian Turks, Mughals and later the British. Do you know what is a martial race? Races who were loyal to the British army. Pashtuns are martial race like Gurkhas who also serve the British army.

The only Pashtun empire was Durrani empire which was also short lived and was destroyed by Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

what is your proof that your are asking me. First, if you were a pashtoon, you would not be talking about this. Either you have inferiority complex, that your ancestor were ruled by some pashtoon or afghan people and you are flaring about that now. your thesis means nothing, yet the pashtoon span from punjab to herat.

More than 35% of court employees in the Mughal empire were Afghans and Pashtuns.

 

[hamilcar of carthage]

ruled by some pashtoon

Hahaha. Big Joke. Pashtuns never ruled anyone. Pashtuns even did not have a strong empire of their own. You Pashtuns used work as mercenaries or paid soldiers for Central Asian Turks, Mughals and later the British. Do you know what is a martial race? Races who were loyal to the British army. Pashtuns are martial race like Gurkhas who also serve the British army.

The only Pashtun empire was Durrani empire which was also short lived and was destroyed by Maharaja Ranjit Singh.


More than 35% of court employees in the Mughal empire were Afghans and Pashtuns.

are you okay, mate, do you even know who sher shah suri is, no you dont, i just don't want to argue as you lack on the historical side.

Bro, some people here, not all, have it out against Pashtuns, what did we do them, in history it was a free for all and nations carved out large empires, yet some here have it out just against us... Why? And @Tayyab Zarar has his history wrong I promise you that, I am certain he hasn't read any books, I challenged him to post his sources as I am waiting for him to do it, I have my sources ready and highlighted, but I think he ran away, he probably just went to some website and read some propaganda by someone who hates Pashtuns and just "Copy pasted" that onto this website... I have nothing against some members here, but if they are going to post wrong history then I have to humiliate them as they are posting lies.

I know that, they have something against afghans because of the war on terror, they still don't know that every pashtoon in KP will tell them that 5000 years a pashtoon, 1400 years a muslim and only 70 years a pakistani. They want KP pashtoon in their favour against afghans, but people here cannot go against their own nation for the sake of another who doesnt even respect pashtoons in Pakistan.

 

[H. Dawary]

are you okay, mate, do you even know who sher shah suri is, no you dont, i just don't want to argue as you lack on the historical side.


I know that, they have something against afghans because of the war on terror, they still don't know that every pashtoon in KP will tell them that 5000 years a pashtoon, 1400 years a muslim and only 70 years a pakistani. They want KP pashtoon in their favour against afghans, but people here cannot go against their own nation for the sake of another who doesnt even respect pashtoons in Pakistan.

I personally have love for Pakistan bro, it is the only nation that actually stands up for Muslims, and it was the only nation that helped us Afghans in our time of greatest needs. While Afghans fled to various nations as refugees during the Soviet onslaught and were thrown in camps, Pakistanis gave us a home and even allowed Afghans to study in universities. Today, I have family in Pakistan and my cousins Al-Hamdulillah have received their education and are doing very good in life, they now consider Pakistan their home and would prefer to be there then anywhere in the world, can you imagine how much it must hurt them to see Afghans and Afghanistan abused?

There are some things I agree with some members here, and their frustrations are just, namely the Durand line. I believe it should be accepted and talks should be held, as this border dispute is what has caused the fracture between both AFG and PAK. However, some members here have straight up hate, their hate is unsightly, I understand they have their criticisms, however when you read their messages it goes something like "Afghanistan should be nuked"... "The Afghan is a special type of animal".... "What do you expect of savages"... I am astonished Mods don't take action against such people, and I have reported them in the past but still they spit venom, now tell me, should such people along with making up history not be given a proper reply? What is their problem? Afghans in Afghanistan barely have food to eat, they can barely feed their children and these people unashamedly want such people killed, abuse them, and call them animals, can you believe the injustice? They spent 40 years suffering, and some members here want them to suffer more. This is not the attitude of Muslims, but of Jahils...

 

[hussain0216]

I personally have love for Pakistan bro, it is the only nation that actually stands up for Muslims, and it was the only nation that helped us Afghans in our time of greatest needs. While Afghans fled to various nations as refugees during the Soviet onslaught and were thrown in camps, Pakistanis gave us a home and even allowed Afghans to study in universities. Today, I have family in Pakistan and my cousins Al-Hamdulillah have received their education and are doing very good in life, they now consider Pakistan their home and would prefer to be there then anywhere in the world, can you imagine how much it must hurt them to see Afghans and Afghanistan abused?

There are some things I agree with some members here, and their frustrations are just, namely the Durand line. I believe it should be accepted and talks should be held, as this border dispute is what has caused the fracture between both AFG and PAK. However, some members here have straight up hate, their hate is unsightly, I understand they have their criticisms, however when you read their messages it goes something like "Afghanistan should be nuked"... "The Afghan is a special type of animal".... "What do you expect of savages"... I am astonished Mods don't take action against such people, and I have reported them in the past but still they spit venom, now tell me, should such people along with making up history not be given a proper reply? What is their problem? Afghans in Afghanistan barely have food to eat, they can barely feed their children and these people unashamedly want such people killed, abuse them, and call them animals, can you believe the injustice? They spent 40 years suffering, and some members here want them to suffer more. This is not the attitude of Muslims, but of Jahils...

Bruv look on social media Twitter etc

Look at what the afghans are saying

You will realise very quickly why we have become so tired of afghans after years of hosting millions of afghan refugees

 

[Cliftonite]

are you okay, mate, do you even know who sher shah suri is, no you dont, i just don't want to argue as you lack on the historical side.


I know that, they have something against afghans because of the war on terror, they still don't know that every pashtoon in KP will tell them that 5000 years a pashtoon, 1400 years a muslim and only 70 years a pakistani. They want KP pashtoon in their favour against afghans, but people here cannot go against their own nation for the sake of another who doesnt even respect pashtoons in Pakistan.

Pashtunistani spotted. G

I personally have love for Pakistan bro, it is the only nation that actually stands up for Muslims, and it was the only nation that helped us Afghans in our time of greatest needs. While Afghans fled to various nations as refugees during the Soviet onslaught and were thrown in camps, Pakistanis gave us a home and even allowed Afghans to study in universities. Today, I have family in Pakistan and my cousins Al-Hamdulillah have received their education and are doing very good in life, they now consider Pakistan their home and would prefer to be there then anywhere in the world, can you imagine how much it must hurt them to see Afghans and Afghanistan abused?

There are some things I agree with some members here, and their frustrations are just, namely the Durand line. I believe it should be accepted and talks should be held, as this border dispute is what has caused the fracture between both AFG and PAK. However, some members here have straight up hate, their hate is unsightly, I understand they have their criticisms, however when you read their messages it goes something like "Afghanistan should be nuked"... "The Afghan is a special type of animal".... "What do you expect of savages"... I am astonished Mods don't take action against such people, and I have reported them in the past but still they spit venom, now tell me, should such people along with making up history not be given a proper reply? What is their problem? Afghans in Afghanistan barely have food to eat, they can barely feed their children and these people unashamedly want such people killed, abuse them, and call them animals, can you believe the injustice? They spent 40 years suffering, and some members here want them to suffer more. This is not the attitude of Muslims, but of Jahils...

I appreciate your sentiment and I thank you for being grateful to Pakistan. But you are an exception. Majority of Afghans hate us. They were even celebrating our people's death in the PIA crash.

 

[Ace of Spades]

It's quite important to know the history but knowing and debating history is to learn from it and not to make same mistakes instead of using it for creating more rifts. Now the problem happening with Afghanistan in particular is political. Ethnic element is used by those who benefit from such rifts. Majority of the crap you would see against Pakistan is on social media by so called "western settled" afghans. Who have no stake back in Afghanistan. They abandoned it at first available option and they would throw their countrymen under the bus for their benefit again.

The problem with all this is that such people are narrative builders and common un-educated afghan is easy to be manipulated by such rhetoric. It's up-to people of Afghanistan to educate the masses and have awareness campaigns among local populace to not fall in traps laid by foreign settled/ foreign funded so called "afghans" who are no friends to them. Sad part is that misery of local afghans haven't finished, they are still in the epicenter of the storm. Power struggle, lack of education is just contributing to their misery and foreign powers are using them as cannon fodders. Unfortunately it will continue unless there is a realization from with-in...

 

[H. Dawary]

Bruv look on social media Twitter etc

Look at what the afghans are saying

You will realise very quickly why we have become so tired of afghans after years of hosting millions of afghan refugees

Ahh, you are talking about the internet Afghan, the ones who came from Pakistan to western countries and haven't done anything to help the poor in Afghanistan. Or are you talking about the Afghans who take their salaries from America and hide it in their personal accounts while having government positions. Tell those internet Afghans to remain in western nations and ask them if they've done anything for Afghanistan and I can guarantee they've spent money on BMW's and Mercedes Benz's then having sent money to the poor in Afghanistan. I have met many of those internet Afghans in real life, they talk a great detail, but when it comes to action, they haven't done anything for the poor Afghans, this is true in 90% of the cases in my personal experience.

Pashtunistani spotted. G

I appreciate your sentiment and I thank you for being grateful to Pakistan. But you are an exception. Majority of Afghans hate us. They were even celebrating our people's death in the PIA crash.

Please refer to them as "Internet Afghans", and if you ever encounter one, ask them what they have done for Afghanistan, I promise you 90% of them haven't done anything.

 

[Ace of Spades]

The solution that i think will solve lots of problem for Pakistan is to give citizenship to those Afghans;

who are born in Pakistan, with no criminal background, educated in Pakistan and are culturally assimilated. With pre-condition of voluntary giving up afghan nationality.

Regulation of such individuals, who are in millions, will give them a prospect of a good future and will eliminate the risk of such individuals to be used as cannon fodders by the ones who are using them for their own propaganda purposes against Pakistan.