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I wanted to draw parallels from the American attack on Pakistani Soil in 2008 (in which MANY innocents were killed including 10 women and children). It was reportedly the first attack by American Forces in Pakistan and around 45 American soldiers took part in it.

A number of times, shelling from Afghanistan (probably by Afghan Army or their proxies) have also taken place here (http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/126956-17-rockets-fired-angoor-adda-afghanistan.html)

Pakistan's response was usual, blocked NATO supply for a couple of days, protested at the FO and then things went as usual.. :angry::flame::hitwall::devil:

When will we learn to take a stand?

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Now the article:

The Angoor Ada raid was a covert raid conducted by U.S. Army Special Forces against Taliban fighters on September 3, 2008, within the border town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan. It was the first time U.S. troops fought a ground-based battle against the Taliban within Pakistani borders. The raid took place at the same time as Pakistani military forces ended a four-week offensive in Bajaur, the northernmost Agency of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of which South Waziristan is the southernmost, an offensive that has displaced approximately half a million people.


Operations
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Three Black Hawk helicopters, like the one pictured here, were used in the strike

The raid occurred in the village of Moosi Neka of the Angoor Ada region of South Waziristan, Pakistan, less than one mile (1.6 km) from the border of Afghanistan. The operation was executed at 3:00 AM local time (23h00 in UTC). Though the U.S. has performed missile strikes in Pakistan before, this is reportedly the first time U.S. troops have taken ground action within the country against Taliban fighters. According to some early reports, roughly twenty people, possibly including three women and four children, were killed in the raid. However, it is not clear whether these were civilians or combatants; an American official stated that the women killed were helping the hostile militants.
Three Black Hawk helicopters carrying 45 U.S. special forces soldiers conducted the raid. Only one of the helicopters landed and unloaded, while the two others flew overhead providing surveillance and aerial support to the other team. Two F-16 fighter jets also provided air cover. The forces attacked three houses, owned by "Faujan Wazir, Faiz Mohammad and Nazar Jan Wazir." The entire operation lasted 30 minutes. All of the inhabitants were apparently asleep when the raid occurred, and after examination none of the dead proved to be "important terrorists or high-value targets." A U.S. military official stated that "a small number of militants [were] captured and several others killed," but refused to comment on exact numbers.

Response

A statement made by the Government of Pakistan said that "a strong protest by [the] Foreign Office has been lodged with [the] Government of United States," and "such acts of aggression do not serve the common cause of fighting terrorism and militancy in the area." On September 4, the Pakistani parliament passed a resolution condemning the raid and demanding increased American oversight and cooperation with Pakistani officials when conducting covert operations. Anne W. Patterson, the United States Ambassador to Pakistan, was called to the Pakistan Foreign Office, where a protest was lodged. In response to the raid, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi told the National Assembly on Thursday, "There is no high-value target or known terrorist among the dead ... Only innocent civilians, including women and children, have been targeted."
In response to the raid, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "I don't have anything for you on Pakistan, except to say that obviously we are working very closely with the civilian government there." Rice refused to comment on the possibility of civilian casualties. Reuters cited U.S. Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, who confirmed that the raid was conducted by U.S. special operations forces.
The Chairman of the Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC), Gen Tariq Majid, stated that "Pakistan reserves right to retaliate".
On Saturday, September 6, 2008, Pakistan blocked a fuel route supplying U.S. and other western forces operating in Afghanistan in response to the raid. "We have told them that we will take action and we have already taken action today. We have stopped the supply of oil and this will tell how serious we are," said Pakistani Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar.
 
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If force is not retaliated by force then it is appeasement. Perhaps this was a test case by WCC. Apparently the test taught them to continue with their misdeeds.
 
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If force is not retaliated by force then it is appeasement. Perhaps this was a test case by WCC. Apparently the test taught them to continue with their misdeeds.
And what force can PA use ? Any retaliation by either the Army or PAF will make those shiny toys go up in flames, and all PAF can do is piggyback on them Chinese JunkFighters till kingdom come. So the state of Pakistan can only sit with the thumbs up theirs while we see more and more Drone showers to cleanse Waziristan. The alternative is not too good either in the short run but will ensure regional peace and prosperity ala Sri Lanka in the longer run, which is, purge the Talibani safe-havens from Waziristan.
 
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And what force can PA use ? Any retaliation by either the Army or PAF will make those shiny toys go up in flames, and all PAF can do is piggyback on them Chinese JunkFighters till kingdom come. So the state of Pakistan can only sit with the thumbs up theirs while we see more and more Drone showers to cleanse Waziristan. The alternative is not too good either in the short run but will ensure regional peace and prosperity ala Sri Lanka in the longer run, which is, purge the Talibani safe-havens from Waziristan.

Americans with their big toys couldn't purge the talibans, how can we do it using our chinese shinny junky toys?

Pakistan is a soverign state.. Shoot down a couple of helis and drones. US will only put sanctions.. wont be able to retailiate or we could missile their bases in afpak, but it wont come to that
 
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Americans with their big toys couldn't purge the talibans, how can we do it using our chinese shinny junky toys?

Pakistan is a soverign state.. Shoot down a couple of helis and drones. US will only put sanctions.. wont be able to retailiate or we could missile their bases in afpak, but it wont come to that
The Pakistani state still is a conventional fighting unit, until then its open season for the F-16s/18s/22s/B-2s unlike the guerrilla insurgents hiding like rats and blowing up civilians. Which means only when the Pakistani defences becomes an equivalent version of the rag-tag Talibunnies will the US start feeling the heat. But by then Pakistan will already be what Armitage promised Musharraf in 2001. The sheer rain of JDAMs and bunker-busters will make the 1971 war like stealing candy from kids. And America will quietly leave with Pakinukes in tow, with the Pakistani state up for grabs for the "first past the post".
 
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Americans with their big toys couldn't purge the talibans, how can we do it using our chinese shinny junky toys?

Pakistan is a soverign state.. Shoot down a couple of helis and drones. US will only put sanctions.. wont be able to retailiate or we could missile their bases in afpak, but it wont come to that

R u equating Pakistan armed forces with Taliban..???

Taliban is not some country, neither are they a professional fighting institution..they dont care if they blow up 100 of their innocent people including children..Are u saying Pakistan Army is the same thing as them??

If not, then better start making sense of ur posts,...
 
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R u equating Pakistan armed forces with Taliban..???

Taliban is not some country, neither are they a professional fighting institution..they dont care if they blow up 100 of their innocent people including children..Are u saying Pakistan Army is the same thing as them??

If not, then better start making sense of ur posts,...

1.Then why don't you ask the Americans why they are running away? Why don't they come out of their holes at night? Why are they doling out billions to the tribal Maliks for protection?

2. IEA considers the entire nation soldiers. And they are among the best in the world when they need to face an aggressor. Only those fed by the WCC media believe that these people are unethical or devoid of compassion or common sense or an undisciplined rag tag crowd. If, as designed by WCC, India replaces them, then we will witness some fun!
 
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R u equating Pakistan armed forces with Taliban..???

Taliban is not some country, neither are they a professional fighting institution..they dont care if they blow up 100 of their innocent people including children..Are u saying Pakistan Army is the same thing as them??

If not, then better start making sense of ur posts,...

If Indian Army croses the border like real men (and not play girly proxy games that they are right now), every Pakistani soldier will become Ba Ghairat and Blow himself up taking down 10 enemy soldiers rather than letting them cross!
 
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If Indian Army croses the border like real men (and not play girly proxy games that they are right now), every Pakistani soldier will become Ba Ghairat and Blow himself up taking down 10 enemy soldiers rather than letting them cross!
Dafuq?:blink:
 
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